Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-15 Thread Kim Woelders
Ibukun Olumuyiwa wrote: By the way, Kim, we're still anxiously waiting for your imlib2 commit :) Done. Please keep in mind that if things are OK you won't se *any* difference between the released 0.16.6, and the current CVS compiled for either imlib1 or imlib2. And if you don't see differences yo

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:38:42 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > At 12:08 AM 11/12/2003, The Rasterman wrote: > >On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Hall Stevenson > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >babbled: > > > > > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wro

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-12 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 12:08 AM 11/12/2003, The Rasterman wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 3. convert images that are not "transparent) (ie square) into .jpg and > > change docs to point to these > > I jus

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:45:49 -0500 Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > 3. convert images that are not "transparent) (ie square) into .jpg and > > change docs to point to these > > I just converted all the PNGs

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 19:04, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > 3. convert images that are not "transparent) (ie square) into .jpg and change > docs to point to these I just converted all the PNGs from the E-dox directory into JPG and GIF format. GIF is no longer "evil", right ?? The Unisys patent ran out

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:54:42 -0800 (PST) "Ben Rockwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Since someone suggested a possible change for the next DR16 release would > be to shrink the package size I poked around. BrusedMetal is big, 3.7M > big. > The current package contains 4 theme

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Kim Woelders
I think shrinking the dist size would be a *really* good move. 11+ Mbyte is ridiculous. Assuming that it would be a bad idea to separate the themes entirely from the code, I like the idea of two (crisp/dark) new lean themes. Sound - It seems to me that the only problem with sounds right now is

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 03:17 PM 11/11/2003, Ibukun Olumuyiwa wrote: Which brings me to what I've been thinking all along: Some of these things could be pulled out into separate packages. That way, those who want these extra features can install them, and you get a lean package. This would be useful for sounds and dox,

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Ibukun Olumuyiwa
On Tue 11 Nov 2003, Hall Stevenson wrote: > At 05:54 AM 11/11/2003, Ben Rockwood wrote: > >The other killer is dox, the pretty spiffy oh so awsome help system > >that most people look at once and then never again. This is > >arguable, but I'd imagine that being as DR16 is pretty well > >understood

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 05:54 AM 11/11/2003, Ben Rockwood wrote: The other killer is dox, the pretty spiffy oh so awsome help system that most people look at once and then never again. This is arguable, but I'd imagine that being as DR16 is pretty well understood, we won't get many first time users, and the fact that

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 01:48 PM 11/11/2003, John Miskinis wrote: Hi, What does converting them to JPG do to the size ?? I've taken images It really depends on the image. A lot of my artwork is ray-traced, and contains very smooth color transitions. Converting such an image will produce severe "banding", and the smo

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread John Miskinis
Hi, What does converting them to JPG do to the size ?? I've taken images It really depends on the image. A lot of my artwork is ray-traced, and contains very smooth color transitions. Converting such an image will produce severe "banding", and the smoothing will no longer be "smooth". For an exa

Sound events (was Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:23 +0100, Cristalle Azundris Sabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for > about half an hour, and then you turn it off and go back to work. Yes, a lot of the sound events get old pretty quick. On the other h

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:58, David Tulloh wrote: > I think bloat was probably the wrong word. I would rather not wait for > mozilla to start up and then have to connect to the internet to be told > how to resize a window (for example). > > Looking into it the size of the documentation comes

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 09:58 AM 11/11/2003, David Tulloh wrote: With some hacking in gimp I managed to cut the E_backgrounds_settings.png file from 256K to 147K with no visible deterioration from the process (that wouldn't be fixed with some care). What does converting them to JPG do to the size ?? I've taken images i

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread David Tulloh
Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: David Tulloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Personally I have always prefered documentation in plain text form. I feel that it should at least be provided as an alternative to html. Confucius says: easier it is to automagically generate plaintext from HTML than

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:28, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: > I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for > about half an hour, and then you turn it off and go back to work. agreed :) -mike pgp0.pgp Description: signature

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 09:28 AM 11/11/2003, Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: Hall Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do many people use sound events ? Personally, I find them annoying, > but that's just me. I think they're very much like real alpha that way -- good fun for about half an hour, and then you turn

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 05:54 AM 11/11/2003, Ben Rockwood wrote: Since someone suggested a possible change for the next DR16 release would be to shrink the package size I poked around. BrusedMetal is big, 3.7M big. The current package contains 4 themes, BrushedMetal (3.7M), ShinyMetal (1.2M), BlueSteel (650K), and Gan

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread David Tulloh
warning: first post (de-lurking) Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: if there was equivalent online documentation for dr16 Good call. Should the menu-generator put that in the main menu then? Start browser (whichever one it found) pointed at e-help?

Re: [E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 05:54, Ben Rockwood wrote: > But dumping dox is I admit a contrivursial idea, so I'm just tossing it > out there. if there was equivalent online documentation for dr16 it would help out a lot ... it would also be a lot easier to update said documentation and to expand

[E-devel] Shrinking DR16's Dist Size

2003-11-11 Thread Ben Rockwood
Since someone suggested a possible change for the next DR16 release would be to shrink the package size I poked around. BrusedMetal is big, 3.7M big. The current package contains 4 themes, BrushedMetal (3.7M), ShinyMetal (1.2M), BlueSteel (650K), and Ganymede (2.4M). The other killer is dox, the