Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-24 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:03:02 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >> >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:10:32 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/13/2017 09:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 S

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-23 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 23:03:02 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +09

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-17 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/13/2017 09:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Ra

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 20:58:50 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 07:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > >> > >> > >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:41:06 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzu

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:29:07 -0300 Solerman Kaplon said: > Em 11/04/2017 06:52, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > > > then why does android precompile java apps to native code on installation > > now as opposed to just keep interpreting? :) > > > > Because java is jitted and doing J

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-12 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >>> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Ba

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > said: >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Car

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Solerman Kaplon
Em 11/04/2017 06:52, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) escreveu: > > then why does android precompile java apps to native code on installation now > as opposed to just keep interpreting? :) > Because java is jitted and doing JIT takes time, memory and battery to do. Plus, on usual VMs, there is n

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 07:22 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > >> >> >> On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>> said: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 20

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:58:58 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > >> wrote: > >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 04:19 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 P

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:01:49 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > > > >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> wrote: > >> > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:3

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 07:59:15 +0930 Simon Lees said: > > > On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > > wrote: > >> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> said: > >> > >> Is it an old need? At least o

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:55:38 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 10:46 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler >>> wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbie

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler >> wrote: >>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >>> >>> said: >>> >>> Is it an old need? At least on OSX an

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/11/2017 12:25 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: >> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> >> said: >> >> Is it an old need? At least on OSX and modern Windows apps are encouraged to >> fit in and look

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:13 AM Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri < barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz > wrote: > > To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: > > > > I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years > ago > > an

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: > > I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years ago > and instability immediately proved that this was a waste of time. I have no > interest in revisiting or

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wr

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > >> Hi all, >> >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >> code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a >> bit m

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
To focus on very specific items that you mentioned: I did some exploration into using eo/lian in enlightenment a few years ago and instability immediately proved that this was a waste of time. I have no interest in revisiting or considering anything related to eo/eolian/bindings/interfaces/etc unt

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Cedric BAIL wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Enlightenment

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Simon Lees wrote: > > > On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >>> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Hi all, >>> >>> Enlightenment is using it in some places and

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread Andrew Williams
Hi, Just to chip in here I have to disagree that type checking is only available in low level languages. There are many high level, easy to code systems with explicit and compile time checks. I don't think that as a project grows it should get lower level - that is counter intuitive and may indica

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 12:09:08 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > Hi all, > > Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to > code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a > bit more of our development process in the light of "how to make it > faste

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 23:25:39 -0700 Cedric BAIL said: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >>> Which brings me to my last point: we should adopt and

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Which brings me to my last point: we should adopt and use for REAL a >>> binding. You all know my personal preference

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >>> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Enlightenment is using it in some places and some E widgets are no >>> l

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/10/2017 12:21 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: >> On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >> >> Enlightenment is using it in some places and some E widgets are no >> longer used, however given that the p

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Simon Lees wrote: > On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to >> code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a >> bit more of our development p

Re: [E-devel] changing development of core apps and E itself

2017-04-09 Thread Simon Lees
On 04/10/2017 12:39 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, > > Nowadays with a newborn daughter I have more time to think than to > code (likely to remain like that for few more weeks), so I did think a > bit more of our development process in the light of "how to make it > faster, more r