Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-03-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:59:12 -0300 Jonas M. Gastal jgas...@profusion.mobi
said:

 On Saturday 25 February 2012 09:35:01 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  well logical for a user would be that list AND genlist are in the same
  section - genlist is just a more flexible/powerful/extendable list - that's
  all. to a user they are pretty much exactly the same - just genlist will be
  more efficient when it comes to vast numbers of items, and requires more
  work to use (as well as being able to do trees). elm list could be able to
  be just like genlist with 1 trivial function call to set the style of an
  item.
 
 Well, I think that's acutally a very good point. And since the documentation 
 should focus on new users instead of people who know the intricacies of the 
 workings of the list/genlist, how would everyone feel about moving list to
 the containers list?
 
 In the same spirit I wonder if the toolbar and segment control wouldn't be 
 better off in the containers list. I point them out because they have layout 
 diagrams, if we need a diagram to exemplify the widget it seems to make sense 
 to say it doesn't have it's own visual identity and is a container.

hmm. you should read the dictionary as to what it says a container is.
containers PRIMARILY hold something. that is their job. lists, toolbars etc.
dont - they generate their own content (except icons).

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-27 Thread Jonas M. Gastal
On Friday 24 February 2012 17:54:38 Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
 I wish the API Reference (which, btw, is completely wrong in that it links
 to what is the Modules section for every other library) was at least
 alphabetically ordered since I never bother with the
 containers/infrastructure nonsense.

Unfortunately this list is generated by doxygen and doxygen doesn't have the 
good sense to generate it in alphabetical order. In the last project we 
considered generating the list manually to have it be properly sorted but felt 
the burden of maintaining the list up to date was not worth it.

Gastal

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-27 Thread Jonas M. Gastal
On Saturday 25 February 2012 09:35:01 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 well logical for a user would be that list AND genlist are in the same
 section - genlist is just a more flexible/powerful/extendable list - that's
 all. to a user they are pretty much exactly the same - just genlist will be
 more efficient when it comes to vast numbers of items, and requires more
 work to use (as well as being able to do trees). elm list could be able to
 be just like genlist with 1 trivial function call to set the style of an
 item.

Well, I think that's acutally a very good point. And since the documentation 
should focus on new users instead of people who know the intricacies of the 
workings of the list/genlist, how would everyone feel about moving list to the 
containers list?

In the same spirit I wonder if the toolbar and segment control wouldn't be 
better off in the containers list. I point them out because they have layout 
diagrams, if we need a diagram to exemplify the widget it seems to make sense 
to say it doesn't have it's own visual identity and is a container.

Gastal

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-27 Thread Sachiel
2012/2/27 Jonas M. Gastal jgas...@profusion.mobi:
 On Saturday 25 February 2012 09:35:01 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 well logical for a user would be that list AND genlist are in the same
 section - genlist is just a more flexible/powerful/extendable list - that's
 all. to a user they are pretty much exactly the same - just genlist will be
 more efficient when it comes to vast numbers of items, and requires more
 work to use (as well as being able to do trees). elm list could be able to
 be just like genlist with 1 trivial function call to set the style of an
 item.

 Well, I think that's acutally a very good point. And since the documentation
 should focus on new users instead of people who know the intricacies of the
 workings of the list/genlist, how would everyone feel about moving list to the
 containers list?

 In the same spirit I wonder if the toolbar and segment control wouldn't be
 better off in the containers list. I point them out because they have layout
 diagrams, if we need a diagram to exemplify the widget it seems to make sense
 to say it doesn't have it's own visual identity and is a container.

Can't we have categories and have widgets show up in more than
one of them?


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-27 Thread Jonas M. Gastal
On Monday 27 February 2012 11:11:55 Iván Briano wrote:
 Can't we have categories and have widgets show up in more than
 one of them?

I'm not sure what you mean by categories, but the current widget/container 
list are manually created so the only reason not to put something in both 
lists is duplication, since it's just the link I don't see a problem with 
that.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-27 Thread Sachiel
2012/2/27 Jonas M. Gastal jgas...@profusion.mobi:
 On Monday 27 February 2012 11:11:55 Iván Briano wrote:
 Can't we have categories and have widgets show up in more than
 one of them?

 I'm not sure what you mean by categories, but the current widget/container
 list are manually created so the only reason not to put something in both
 lists is duplication, since it's just the link I don't see a problem with
 that.

Each widget is a group already and I believe we can put groups inside
other groups. I know that we are manually creating the lists in order
to have them with each widget's preview, but if making it easy for people
to find a widget anywhere their sick perverted minds would look for it,
we can have a bunch of categories and one page ala Evas to list plain
links.


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com
said:

yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is list
items which are part of the widget itself.

 Dear gastal, thanks for the fix.
 
 But raster said that genlist is not a container.
 I understand that genlist is likely a container. But genlist is just a
 widget with a number of list items. Each item can hold other objects
 in swallow part but having swallow part does not mean it's a
 container.
 By raster's definition, box, grid, table, and those kind of widgets
 are containers.
 How do you think?
 
 Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
 
 
 On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
  Log:
  Move gengrid and genlist to container list.
 
  Author:       gastal
  Date:         2012-02-22 09:01:32 -0800 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012)
  New Revision: 68281
  Trac:         http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/68281
 
  Modified:
   trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy
 
  Modified: trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy
  ===
  --- trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy     2012-02-22 16:30:43 UTC (rev 68280)
  +++ trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy     2012-02-22 17:01:32 UTC (rev 68281)
  @@ -115,17 +115,7 @@
   *
   * @image html img/widget/frame/preview-00.png
   * @image latex img/widget/frame/preview-00.eps
  - * @li @ref Gengrid
   *
  - * @image html img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.png
  - * @image latex img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.eps
  - *
  - * @li @ref Genlist
  - * @image html img/widget/genlist/preview-00.png
  - * @image latex img/widget/genlist/preview-00.eps
  - * @image html img/genlist.png
  - * @image latex img/genlist.eps
  - *
   * @li @ref GLView
   * @li @ref Hover
   *
  @@ -253,6 +243,16 @@
   * it provides a number of containers. It's important to note that as
  containers
   * widgets don't have their own visual identity, so here we show one use for
   * them and a diagram showing their component parts:
  + * @li @ref Gengrid
  + *
  + * @image html img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.png
  + * @image latex img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.eps
  + * @li @ref Genlist
  + *
  + * @image html img/widget/genlist/preview-00.png
  + * @image latex img/widget/genlist/preview-00.eps
  + * @image html img/genlist.png
  + * @image latex img/genlist.eps
   * @li @ref Box
   *
   * @image html img/widget/box/preview-00.png
 
 
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread Jonas M. Gastal
On Friday 24 February 2012 17:18:41 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com
 said:
 
 yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
 widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is list
 items which are part of the widget itself.
 

Well I was going with a definition of: a widget that holds other widgets. I 
wouldn't call list a container, because it holds is a piece of text plus an 
icon, not an arbitrary widget, but genlist holds an arbitrary widget, anything 
the user wants, that was my reasoning to classify it as a container.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that list items are part of the widget 
itself. From an UI point of view the genlist is a scroller that organizes 
widgets vertically(or horizontally), it's not a thing itself.

I'd also like to point out that what drove me to make that fix was a comment by 
marcellus1 on the IRC channel, asking why genlist was on the widgets list 
instead of the containers list(in docs).

That said, I'm not nearly as experienced in the project as either of you, so 
if you don't agree with me, I'm ok with reverting the change.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:55 -0200 Jonas M. Gastal jgas...@profusion.mobi
said:

 On Friday 24 February 2012 17:18:41 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com
  said:
  
  yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
  widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is list
  items which are part of the widget itself.
  
 
 Well I was going with a definition of: a widget that holds other widgets. I 
 wouldn't call list a container, because it holds is a piece of text plus an 
 icon, not an arbitrary widget, but genlist holds an arbitrary widget,
 anything the user wants, that was my reasoning to classify it as a container.
 
 I'm not sure what you mean when you say that list items are part of the
 widget itself. From an UI point of view the genlist is a scroller that
 organizes widgets vertically(or horizontally), it's not a thing itself.
 
 I'd also like to point out that what drove me to make that fix was a comment
 by marcellus1 on the IRC channel, asking why genlist was on the widgets list 
 instead of the containers list(in docs).
 
 That said, I'm not nearly as experienced in the project as either of you, so 
 if you don't agree with me, I'm ok with reverting the change.

actually list holds arbitrary content too exactly like genlist - the icon is
an arbitrary widget ... technically. :)

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread Rafael Antognolli
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:55 -0200 Jonas M. Gastal jgas...@profusion.mobi
 said:

 On Friday 24 February 2012 17:18:41 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo seojuyu...@gmail.com
  said:
 
  yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
  widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is list
  items which are part of the widget itself.
 

 Well I was going with a definition of: a widget that holds other widgets. I
 wouldn't call list a container, because it holds is a piece of text plus an
 icon, not an arbitrary widget, but genlist holds an arbitrary widget,
 anything the user wants, that was my reasoning to classify it as a container.

 I'm not sure what you mean when you say that list items are part of the
 widget itself. From an UI point of view the genlist is a scroller that
 organizes widgets vertically(or horizontally), it's not a thing itself.

 I'd also like to point out that what drove me to make that fix was a comment
 by marcellus1 on the IRC channel, asking why genlist was on the widgets list
 instead of the containers list(in docs).

 That said, I'm not nearly as experienced in the project as either of you, so
 if you don't agree with me, I'm ok with reverting the change.

 actually list holds arbitrary content too exactly like genlist - the icon is
 an arbitrary widget ... technically. :)

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Regardless of the definition, on my first searches I got pissed off
several times because I couldn't find genlist under containers
section. And I looked for it there without think about it, that was
just where I expected it to be.

That said, I think that making the documentation easier for the user
of the library is the more important thing to do. A simple reminder in
the beginning of the description of the widget would probably be
enough to tell the user that genlist is not a real container (and I
don't think that the user would even care about it).

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread Michael Blumenkrantz
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:45:37 -0200
Rafael Antognolli antogno...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:55 -0200 Jonas M. Gastal
  jgas...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Friday 24 February 2012 17:18:41 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo
   seojuyu...@gmail.com said:
  
   yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
   widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is
   list items which are part of the widget itself.
  
 
  Well I was going with a definition of: a widget that holds other widgets. I
  wouldn't call list a container, because it holds is a piece of text plus an
  icon, not an arbitrary widget, but genlist holds an arbitrary widget,
  anything the user wants, that was my reasoning to classify it as a
  container.
 
  I'm not sure what you mean when you say that list items are part of the
  widget itself. From an UI point of view the genlist is a scroller that
  organizes widgets vertically(or horizontally), it's not a thing itself.
 
  I'd also like to point out that what drove me to make that fix was a
  comment by marcellus1 on the IRC channel, asking why genlist was on the
  widgets list instead of the containers list(in docs).
 
  That said, I'm not nearly as experienced in the project as either of you,
  so if you don't agree with me, I'm ok with reverting the change.
 
  actually list holds arbitrary content too exactly like genlist - the icon is
  an arbitrary widget ... technically. :)
 
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 Regardless of the definition, on my first searches I got pissed off
 several times because I couldn't find genlist under containers
 section. And I looked for it there without think about it, that was
 just where I expected it to be.
 
 That said, I think that making the documentation easier for the user
 of the library is the more important thing to do. A simple reminder in
 the beginning of the description of the widget would probably be
 enough to tell the user that genlist is not a real container (and I
 don't think that the user would even care about it).
 
 Just my 2 cents.
 
I wish the API Reference (which, btw, is completely wrong in that it links to
what is the Modules section for every other library) was at least
alphabetically ordered since I never bother with the containers/infrastructure
nonsense.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:45:37 -0200 Rafael Antognolli
antogno...@profusion.mobi said:

 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
 wrote:
  On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:55 -0200 Jonas M. Gastal
  jgas...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  On Friday 24 February 2012 17:18:41 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:55:55 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo
   seojuyu...@gmail.com said:
  
   yeah. imho containers are objects whose PRIMARY purpose is to hold child
   widgets. list and genlist can hold icons.. but the primary content is
   list items which are part of the widget itself.
  
 
  Well I was going with a definition of: a widget that holds other widgets. I
  wouldn't call list a container, because it holds is a piece of text plus an
  icon, not an arbitrary widget, but genlist holds an arbitrary widget,
  anything the user wants, that was my reasoning to classify it as a
  container.
 
  I'm not sure what you mean when you say that list items are part of the
  widget itself. From an UI point of view the genlist is a scroller that
  organizes widgets vertically(or horizontally), it's not a thing itself.
 
  I'd also like to point out that what drove me to make that fix was a
  comment by marcellus1 on the IRC channel, asking why genlist was on the
  widgets list instead of the containers list(in docs).
 
  That said, I'm not nearly as experienced in the project as either of you,
  so if you don't agree with me, I'm ok with reverting the change.
 
  actually list holds arbitrary content too exactly like genlist - the icon is
  an arbitrary widget ... technically. :)
 
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 Regardless of the definition, on my first searches I got pissed off
 several times because I couldn't find genlist under containers
 section. And I looked for it there without think about it, that was
 just where I expected it to be.
 
 That said, I think that making the documentation easier for the user
 of the library is the more important thing to do. A simple reminder in
 the beginning of the description of the widget would probably be
 enough to tell the user that genlist is not a real container (and I
 don't think that the user would even care about it).

well logical for a user would be that list AND genlist are in the same section
- genlist is just a more flexible/powerful/extendable list - that's all. to a
user they are pretty much exactly the same - just genlist will be more
efficient when it comes to vast numbers of items, and requires more work to use
(as well as being able to do trees). elm list could be able to be just like
genlist with 1 trivial function call to set the style of an item.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: gastal trunk/elementary/doc

2012-02-23 Thread Daniel Juyung Seo
Dear gastal, thanks for the fix.

But raster said that genlist is not a container.
I understand that genlist is likely a container. But genlist is just a
widget with a number of list items. Each item can hold other objects
in swallow part but having swallow part does not mean it's a
container.
By raster's definition, box, grid, table, and those kind of widgets
are containers.
How do you think?

Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)


On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Enlightenment SVN
no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
 Move gengrid and genlist to container list.

 Author:       gastal
 Date:         2012-02-22 09:01:32 -0800 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012)
 New Revision: 68281
 Trac:         http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/changeset/68281

 Modified:
  trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy

 Modified: trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy
 ===
 --- trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy     2012-02-22 16:30:43 UTC (rev 68280)
 +++ trunk/elementary/doc/index.doxy     2012-02-22 17:01:32 UTC (rev 68281)
 @@ -115,17 +115,7 @@
  *
  * @image html img/widget/frame/preview-00.png
  * @image latex img/widget/frame/preview-00.eps
 - * @li @ref Gengrid
  *
 - * @image html img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.png
 - * @image latex img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.eps
 - *
 - * @li @ref Genlist
 - * @image html img/widget/genlist/preview-00.png
 - * @image latex img/widget/genlist/preview-00.eps
 - * @image html img/genlist.png
 - * @image latex img/genlist.eps
 - *
  * @li @ref GLView
  * @li @ref Hover
  *
 @@ -253,6 +243,16 @@
  * it provides a number of containers. It's important to note that as 
 containers
  * widgets don't have their own visual identity, so here we show one use for
  * them and a diagram showing their component parts:
 + * @li @ref Gengrid
 + *
 + * @image html img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.png
 + * @image latex img/widget/gengrid/preview-00.eps
 + * @li @ref Genlist
 + *
 + * @image html img/widget/genlist/preview-00.png
 + * @image latex img/widget/genlist/preview-00.eps
 + * @image html img/genlist.png
 + * @image latex img/genlist.eps
  * @li @ref Box
  *
  * @image html img/widget/box/preview-00.png


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