Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[Mike Blumenkrantz]

Unfortunately, the change which caused this issue broke all "new"
configurations created since 1 April 2018. If your configuration was
created on or after that date, you will need to completely wipe your config
(settings->profiles->scratch) in order for the issue to resolve itself
completely.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM William L. Thomson Jr. <
wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:52:24 +
> Stephen Houston  wrote:
> >
> > Turns out most recently a configuration change that was committed
> > broke a lot of things with the gadget bar and gadgets (bryce has been
> > renamed to gadget bar). I fixed that this morning.
>
> Great! So it was not broken due to focus related issues. I should have
> replied sooner. I had this drafted for some time, but never sent.
>
> Thank  you for looking into that and fixing!
>
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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:52:24 +
Stephen Houston  wrote:
>
> Turns out most recently a configuration change that was committed
> broke a lot of things with the gadget bar and gadgets (bryce has been
> renamed to gadget bar). I fixed that this morning.

Great! So it was not broken due to focus related issues. I should have
replied sooner. I had this drafted for some time, but never sent.

Thank  you for looking into that and fixing!

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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[Stephen Houston]

Turns out most recently a configuration change that was committed broke a
lot of things with the gadget bar and gadgets (bryce has been renamed to
gadget bar). I fixed that this morning.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:07 AM William L. Thomson Jr. <
wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote:

> Not sure if anyone tried the following. Despite saying do not log out.
> I added a bryce bar. I logged out. I logged back in. Now anywhere I
> right click I get a context menu. Including over default menu.
>
>
> Not sure if that is focus related or not. It only effects the just
> added Bryce bar it seems. Maybe some initialization issue.
> That was my biggest gripe with usability. Which seems to only exist
> when you first add a bryce bar, per the following steps.
>
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 14:40:05 -0400
> "William L. Thomson Jr."  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:34:04 +
> > Stephen Houston  wrote:
> >
> > > Focus is still broken in a lot places in EFL that are affecting
> > > Enlightenment. I'm sure once that is cleaned up, you will think much
> > > differently of the new Gadget Bars.
> >
> > It maybe a focus issue, not sure. I would be curious if others can
> > replicate the same issue.
> >
> > 1.  Add a bryce bar
> > 2.  Remove all gadgets
> > 3.  Right click on empty bar
> >
> > Do you get anything when  you right click on empty bryce bar?
> >
> > Do not log out or restart E. It seems to effect just added bryce bars.
> > If no one else can replicate. Maybe specific to me, old
> > settings/config, etc. If it can be replicated, it maybe a focus issue
> > not sure. I think those steps should replicate the issue.
> >
>
>
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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

Not sure if anyone tried the following. Despite saying do not log out.
I added a bryce bar. I logged out. I logged back in. Now anywhere I
right click I get a context menu. Including over default menu.


Not sure if that is focus related or not. It only effects the just
added Bryce bar it seems. Maybe some initialization issue.
That was my biggest gripe with usability. Which seems to only exist
when you first add a bryce bar, per the following steps.

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 14:40:05 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr."  wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:34:04 +
> Stephen Houston  wrote:
> 
> > Focus is still broken in a lot places in EFL that are affecting
> > Enlightenment. I'm sure once that is cleaned up, you will think much
> > differently of the new Gadget Bars.  
> 
> It maybe a focus issue, not sure. I would be curious if others can
> replicate the same issue.
> 
> 1.  Add a bryce bar
> 2.  Remove all gadgets
> 3.  Right click on empty bar
> 
> Do you get anything when  you right click on empty bryce bar?
> 
> Do not log out or restart E. It seems to effect just added bryce bars.
> If no one else can replicate. Maybe specific to me, old
> settings/config, etc. If it can be replicated, it maybe a focus issue
> not sure. I think those steps should replicate the issue.
> 



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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:28:10 +1030
Simon Lees  wrote:

> On Saturday, 17 March 2018 03:42:53 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr.
> wrote:
> > I keep trying to use Bryce, at least I can in 22.2, but it seems to
> > lack so many features I use  from shelf.
> >  
> 
> My understanding as a release manager and distro packager is that
> bryce isn't done yet for e22, its just there as a work in progress
> which is one of the main reasons its not in by default. Hopefully the
> version in e23 will be more feature complete.

Sure not knocking it, just general feedback. At least know I can use it
so I can update like Clipboard to the new API. It was unstable in 22.1
at least for me. I could not use it at all. Its stable in 22.2.

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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[Simon Lees]

On Saturday, 17 March 2018 03:42:53 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> I keep trying to use Bryce, at least I can in 22.2, but it seems to
> lack so many features I use  from shelf.
>

My understanding as a release manager and distro packager is that bryce
isn't done yet for e22, its just there as a work in progress which is
one of the main reasons its not in by default. Hopefully the version in
e23 will be more feature complete.

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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:38:13 +0100
Davide Andreoli  wrote:
>
> > - Ability to control hide speed, both open and close like shelf.
> > Shelf seems to have settings, bryce has very few. I assume you can
> > re-size bryce, like setting shelf to 48 pixels, or something.
> >  
> 
> You can resize a bryce using ctrl+mouse wheel. Indeed there should be
> a more clear way to do it.

What if you have no wheel? Hold and scroll?

That maybe difficult to get 2 systems to be the same size without a
fixed measurement. Though if a dimensions popup shows up, that is fine.
Like you get when re-sizing windows.
 
> > - No clock? Not a huge deal can add to desktop vs bryce bar. But I
> > do have a digital clock in shelf. That was not an available gadget
> > for bryce bar.
> >  
> 
> There is both a digital and an analog clock for bryce...strange that
> you did not find them :/

It was not in the list, but I did disable one of the clock
gadgets/modules. Maybe that was the bryce clock I disabled... oops...
Thanks for confirming it should be there :)

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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:34:04 +
Stephen Houston  wrote:

> Focus is still broken in a lot places in EFL that are affecting
> Enlightenment. I'm sure once that is cleaned up, you will think much
> differently of the new Gadget Bars.

It maybe a focus issue, not sure. I would be curious if others can
replicate the same issue.

1.  Add a bryce bar
2.  Remove all gadgets
3.  Right click on empty bar

Do you get anything when  you right click on empty bryce bar?

Do not log out or restart E. It seems to effect just added bryce bars.
If no one else can replicate. Maybe specific to me, old
settings/config, etc. If it can be replicated, it maybe a focus issue
not sure. I think those steps should replicate the issue.

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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[Davide Andreoli]

2018-03-16 18:12 GMT+01:00 William L. Thomson Jr. <
wlt...@obsidian-studios.com>:

> I keep trying to use Bryce, at least I can in 22.2, but it seems to
> lack so many features I use  from shelf.
>
>  - Very difficult to get to settings under Bryce, have to click around
>and hold down ctrl or alt. I can right click anywhere on shelf. Even
>on a gadget, and it gives me context menu for shelf. Bryce badly
>needs such. Its really hard to access settings, remove, etc. Seems
>you can hold alt over a gadget. It is very difficult and very bad
>user experience IMHO. It takes me to long to get to bryce settings
>or context menu. Gadget settings menu is not a problem for those
>that have that, but not all do like the start menu. If you remove
>all gadgets from bryce bar, really difficult to get to menu to
>remove, gadgets, etc. I have an empty bryce bar I cannot remove or
>add gadgets to, till I figure out the magical keyboard click combo
>or something. Its really horrible! Should be very easy to get to
>settings to remove, add gadgets etc.
>

I totally agree on this one, all the features should be reachable without
using any key-combo, that are indeed usefull, but only as shortcut, not as
the only way to do things.


>
> -  Along those same lines, on desktop menu. Shelf has a option to remove
>along with add, and lists any shelves in that sub context menu.
>Bryce needs something like that, it only has add.
>

> - Ability to control hide speed, both open and close like shelf. Shelf
>   seems to have settings, bryce has very few. I assume you can re-size
>   bryce, like setting shelf to 48 pixels, or something.
>

You can resize a bryce using ctrl+mouse wheel. Indeed there should be
a more clear way to do it.


>
> - Battery gadget did not work correctly, one in shelf shows time and
>   what not, the one in bryce says time remaining 0:00. I can mouse over
>   one in shelf for that information % and time. I have to click on the
>   one in bryce, and has a pop-up vs displaying over the battery icon.
>   They do not share any settings. Which really IMHO battery settings
>   like suspend etc, should be in the system power settings, not
>   specific to any gadget. Here if I have 2, shelf and bryce, I have 2
>   different settings.
>
> - No clock? Not a huge deal can add to desktop vs bryce bar. But I do
>   have a digital clock in shelf. That was not an available gadget for
>   bryce bar.
>

There is both a digital and an analog clock for bryce...strange that
you did not find them :/


>
> - Any miss-click in wizard (grayed out area) causes it to close/cancel
>   and start over. I missed a check box on selecting auto hide, and had
>   to start over. Minor, but should have some tolerance for accidental
>   click on wrong spot.
>
> All around I find bryce very difficult to use and work with. Lacking
> features I need and use in shelf. These things keep me stuck on shelf
> and bryce is something I can check out, but then remove.
>
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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[Stephen Houston]

Focus is still broken in a lot places in EFL that are affecting
Enlightenment. I'm sure once that is cleaned up, you will think much
differently of the new Gadget Bars.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 1:19 PM William L. Thomson Jr. <
wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:12:53 -0400
> "William L. Thomson Jr."  wrote:
> >
> >I have an empty bryce bar I cannot remove or
> >add gadgets to, till I figure out the magical keyboard click combo
> >or something. Its really horrible! Should be very easy to get to
> >settings to remove, add gadgets etc.
>
> Oddly enough after restarting E, I can right click on bryce bar and get
> a context menu for wizard, gadgets, remove, etc. Seems maybe some issue
> there when it is first added that right click does not work. Not till
> restart of E and/or log out/in.
>
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Re: [E-devel] Bryce vs Shelf, bryce needs lots of refinement

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:12:53 -0400
"William L. Thomson Jr."  wrote:
>
>I have an empty bryce bar I cannot remove or
>add gadgets to, till I figure out the magical keyboard click combo
>or something. Its really horrible! Should be very easy to get to
>settings to remove, add gadgets etc.

Oddly enough after restarting E, I can right click on bryce bar and get
a context menu for wizard, gadgets, remove, etc. Seems maybe some issue
there when it is first added that right click does not work. Not till
restart of E and/or log out/in.

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