Re: [e-users] New to Enlightenment with Issues
I've just recently started exploring E17, although I've been an enlightenment fan since '99. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your 'super dated' comment about e16. To me it falls more on the scale of a minimalistic window manager such as fluxbox. e16 can do composite rendering for hardware accelerated video cards. If enabled the pager shows active content in other desktops (I can continue watching a movie going on in another desktop without any lag). As far as I've seen that's something that E17 doesn't even do (at least yet).. Application windows can be set to a specific transparency percentage for both 'active' and 'non-active' windows as well. Granted it doesn't have bouncy menus or windows (like E17), for a 10+ year old window manager it holds it's own. Thanks Kim for maintaining it! As for the issues Charlie is having... The documentation is *sometimes* distributed in a separate package. You'll have to check the Ubuntu repositories again and see if that's the case. The documentation hasn't been updated in a while but it does cover the basics. Changing your desktop back to GNOME should be as simple as selecting it from your login menu. Seems like an Ubuntu glitch if that's not happening. Try taking a look at ~/.dmrc and see which session is being used. Possibly try deleting that same file to revert to a system default session. - Don On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:18:22 -0500, Jeff Hoogland wrote: E16 is super dated at this point - I would highly recommend trying a current version of E17 (bodhi linux, sabayon, and pclinuxos all provide one in LiveCD form). Your display/login manager controls which desktop log into. If you are using the default display manager in Ubuntu 10.04 then it is GDM. Simply log out and select the gnome session from the options at the bottom. ~Jeff Hoogland On Thu Jun 2 2011 03:01:50 PM CDT, Charles Warner cwarner.cw...@gmail.com wrote: I recently decided to give Enlightenment a test drive, and downloaded e16 from the Ubuntu Software Packages repository in a *.deb package, and installed successfully on my Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit machine. Seems to be functioning OK, although I have some specific issues that I need help with: 1. I have spent quite a bit of time trying to navigate through all the various links from your web site to try to find user documentation. Apparently, the documentation may have been included in the original installation on my machine, but I can not access it. From the command line, edox yields the following: Edoc_dir /usr/share/e16/E-docs does not contain a MAIN file. I have essentially reached a dead end. Is there an easy pointer you can provide me with that will take me to a simple introductory guide that will tell me how to use the system, how to access documentation, etc.? 2. I have a number of applications that rely on the Gtk+ platform, and others that like Qt. There appears to be a compatibillity issue with some of these applications. Specifically, LibreOffice Calc v.3.3 seems to have trouble rendering plots- not something I noticed under Gnome. When I try to switch to put Gnome from the e-Gnome option by logging out and changing preferences, the system ignores me completely and returns me to Enlightenment (my original choice was e16-Gnome). Other than uninstalling Enlightenment, is there any way to get back to my original Gnome desktop? Charlie -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] New to Enlightenment with Issues
After checking an older Ubuntu install I've got at home, I ran into your same problem. It appears to be an Ubuntu design flaw. Somewhere in the session startup framework they insert e16 into gconf as your window manager when selecting e16-GNOME, but when you change back to GNOME it doesn't restore it to metacity. Use gconf-editor and modify the following key: /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager Change the value 'e16' back to 'metacity' and all should be right with the world again.. ;-) - Don (aka Donny) On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 20:28 -0500, Charles Warner wrote: Replying to Don Harrop (too many Don's in this thread!) Thanks. The ~/.dmrc says I am using Gnome, but that's not what is happening...As to e17- I'm not at all interested in bouncing windows and other eye candy- I am looking for something light weight that results in less swapping when I am running some of my heavier analyses- I only have 3G of memory on this machine, and have had cases where I have to run both cores at 100% for 18-24 hours to finish an analysis (yeah, I'm pushing it a bit!) What I really want is a light weight desktop that spends most of it's time in the background, not shouting for attention- I want to cut down on resources to delay swapping to the swap file as long as I can. xfce seems to have the right attitude, but it may be a little TOO light. I am not at all happy with the direction Gnome (with Gnome shell) and Ubuntu (with (Unity) are going with the desktop. The desktop, like the underlying operating system, should be pretty much transparent to the user. I am also limited to Intel integrated graphics, which may be the root of my issue... I am impressed with how quickly people have responded to my inquiry. Thanks to all. Charlie On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Don Harrop d...@effx.us wrote: I've just recently started exploring E17, although I've been an enlightenment fan since '99. I'm not sure I entirely agree with your 'super dated' comment about e16. To me it falls more on the scale of a minimalistic window manager such as fluxbox. e16 can do composite rendering for hardware accelerated video cards. If enabled the pager shows active content in other desktops (I can continue watching a movie going on in another desktop without any lag). As far as I've seen that's something that E17 doesn't even do (at least yet).. Application windows can be set to a specific transparency percentage for both 'active' and 'non-active' windows as well. Granted it doesn't have bouncy menus or windows (like E17), for a 10+ year old window manager it holds it's own. Thanks Kim for maintaining it! As for the issues Charlie is having... The documentation is *sometimes* distributed in a separate package. You'll have to check the Ubuntu repositories again and see if that's the case. The documentation hasn't been updated in a while but it does cover the basics. Changing your desktop back to GNOME should be as simple as selecting it from your login menu. Seems like an Ubuntu glitch if that's not happening. Try taking a look at ~/.dmrc and see which session is being used. Possibly try deleting that same file to revert to a system default session. - Don On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:18:22 -0500, Jeff Hoogland wrote: E16 is super dated at this point - I would highly recommend trying a current version of E17 (bodhi linux, sabayon, and pclinuxos all provide one in LiveCD form). Your display/login manager controls which desktop log into. If you are using the default display manager in Ubuntu 10.04 then it is GDM. Simply log out and select the gnome session from the options at the bottom. ~Jeff Hoogland On Thu Jun 2 2011 03:01:50 PM CDT, Charles Warner cwarner.cw...@gmail.com wrote: I recently decided to give Enlightenment a test drive, and downloaded e16 from the Ubuntu Software Packages repository in a *.deb package, and installed successfully on my Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit machine. Seems to be functioning OK, although I have some specific issues that I need help with: 1. I have spent quite a bit of time trying to navigate through all the various
Re: [e-users] e16: Changing borders of Sedation theme
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:58:00 -0300, José Romildo Malaquias wrote: Hello. I am using the e16 Sedation theme (which can be downloaded from http://themes.effx.us/packages/e16/Sedation.etheme). It has several borders for windows: $ ls ~/.e16/themes/Sedation/borders borderless.cfg classic.cfg default.cfg fixed_size.cfg iconbox.cfg menu.cfg pager_right.cfg pixel.cfg transient.cfg Among its border configurations there are CLASSIC and DEFAULT. I want to use the CLASSIC instead of the DEFAULT. What is the proper way of getting it? Romildo You can set the border of your window, then open up the remember options dialog and check Border style. This will only cause that border to be used with that application. The best way I know to change the default border for all windows requires a small theme tweak. Modify windowmatches.cfg and add a line like this at the bottom: USE_BORDER_FOR_CLIENT_WITH_CLASS(*, CLASSIC) All windows will by default will use the CLASSIC border then. - Don -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data connectivity, details its effect on application quality, and explores various alternative solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e16 themes: border configuration
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:03:04 -0300, José Romildo Malaquias j.romi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I am trying to make sense from theme configuration files, so that I can customize them. But it has not been easy, even after reading documentation available at http://etherdoxproject.com/etheme_tutorials/ and http://themes.effx.us/book/e16. In particular window border keywords seems cryptic. Maybe someone could tell the meaning of the following ones, used to position the border. __TOPLEFT_ORIGIN __TOPLEFT_X_PERCENTAGE __TOPLEFT_X_ABSOLUTE __TOPLEFT_Y_PERCENTAGE __TOPLEFT_Y_ABSOLUTE __BOTTOMRIGHT_ORIGIN __BOTTOMRIGHT_X_PERCENTAGE __BOTTOMRIGHT_X_ABSOLUTE __BOTTOMRIGHT_Y_PERCENTAGE __BOTTOMRIGHT_Y_ABSOLUTE Romildo Hi, Sorry http://themes.effx.us doesn't have useful information on borders yet. I'm the guy that put that all together. I've just been caught up in other things since. I'll get back to it eventually, ;-) The border around windows _should_ be drawn in several parts. A left, right, top and bottom edge as well as corners and whatever buttons you want your border to have. The reason I say _should_ is that I've found themes that essentially defined one big box-border rather than each edge. After the application is overlaid on top of the box-border you get the same look as if each edge were defined but the side affect is that you can only have one action per border part so window scaling becomes a problem. Themes that did it this way typically just used ACTION_MOVE so no matter where you clicked it would move the window and not re-size it. There are two types of numbers you find in the keywords you've mentioned. They either represent number of pixels, or justification. In the case of justification the values 0, 512, and 1024 mean left, center, and right respectively in the case of an X (or horizontal) direction or top, middle, bottom respectively on a Y (or vertical) direction. To help visualize this you need to imagine that each border part is drawing a rectangle by defining the top-left corner and bottom-right corner. Use the PERCENTAGE values for general vicinity placement (with the aforementioned justification numbers) and ABSOLUTE values for minor pixel adjustment. I've asked Kim in the past about the *_ORIGIN keywords and I think even he was a bit fuzzy on the details. I've always found it safe to use the value of -1. I've seen other values used ( such as 2, 3, 4, etc..) in button placement. I think it allows you to shift the endpoints (or ORIGINS) of your rectangle to the edges of other adjacent rectangle pats. Hence its usage in buttons.. I've found it easier use -1 and just draw the rectangle where you want it with *_PERCENTAGE and *_ABSOLUTE values. Hope this helps.. - Don -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] system tray nm-applet icon
Quoting Kim Woelders k...@woelders.dk: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:52:30 +0100, Jona Schuman jonaschuman+eus...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm having an issue that I imagine concerns the system tray. Namely, the icon for the NetworkManger applet disappears. The applet itself works fine, it's just invisible unless I click on it to get its menu. All my other applets don't seem afflicted and nm-applet itself works fine when I run it in the Gnome panel. I'm running 0.16.8.15-1 and network-manager-gnome 0.6.6-4 on Debian squeeze. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Yeah, problems like that seem to come and go. Currently I see that problem with pidgin but not with NM (version 0.7.0.99). I guess I should try to figure out if it can be fixed in e16 or if the apps are just misbehaving. If you want more apps to poke at, I tend to see issues with Opera and occasionally the Screenlets icon not being visible in e16's systray. Icon drawing becomes problematic when changing icon sizes around a bit too, no matter what icons are in there.. Maybe the problem is related? Turning on base images aggravates the issue when changing the icon sizes too. - Don -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E16 themes - come and get 'em.
Hey Enlightenment fans - I got a forward from Kim from this users-list with a suggestion that I drop a note here.. You have to read the one on E. And, mostly, look at the period screenshot using the Gothic-Kitsch Alien theme. Cool, if not hilarious. For all E16 addicts, it proves, if necessary, that a good idea always stand the test of time... It was 0.16.4 at the time. I wonder if Alien is still maintained... The answer is yes, Alien is still maintained... as well as 219 other themes. http://themes.effx.us Come check it out, and if you'd like; get involved. - Don -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E16 themes - come and get 'em.
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, sda wrote: On 22:40 Sun 15 Mar , Don Harrop wrote: Hey Enlightenment fans - I got a forward from Kim from this users-list with a suggestion that I drop a note here.. You have to read the one on E. And, mostly, look at the period screenshot using the Gothic-Kitsch Alien theme. Cool, if not hilarious. For all E16 addicts, it proves, if necessary, that a good idea always stand the test of time... It was 0.16.4 at the time. I wonder if Alien is still maintained... The answer is yes, Alien is still maintained... as well as 219 other themes. http://themes.effx.us Come check it out, and if you'd like; get involved. - Don hi, nice work, but some suggestions if you please 1) .etheme format for SVN is a bit strange choice because we have a common well known issues with a majority of original E16 themes: a) missed required fonts in a target system b) lack of UTF-8 support (which is a MUST for a lot of Users) in a native E16 themes. It'd be an interesting opportunity to patch the themes and make all of'em at least UTF-8 compatible. I'm not sure how the .etheme format would be a strange choice since that's how E16 is designed to work with theme tarballs, but your right about the font support. At some point I plan to retrofit all the E16 themes with good font support. Right now I'm focused on finishing the documentation (see additional remarks below). 2) unfortunately it seems that we've lost this grail: http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/60/ and indeed a central location for E16 themes are required Not only a central location but an active location. That seems to be the biggest problem with freshmeat themes. Everything there is stagnate. I hope that a public repository will help the situation. 3) may be a link to the http://etherdoxproject.com/ could help some folks as well The E16 themes at themes.effx.us have a different directory structure and file layout which IMHO help with theme design and maintenance (especially when dealing with them 'en mass). There is a Books section of the site (http://themes.effx.us/book/E16) that is suppost to document the theme structure and syntax... but it's not finished yet. I should include a reference to the etherdoxproject though. Thanks for the idea. thanks a lot! Your welcome! :) -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
