[EUG-LUG:1048] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Ben Barrett
Bob Miller wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: And in general, how can one tell what processes are bound to what ports? lsof -i Run it as root or as yourself. Also netstat and netstat -a. Also: I am confused about ports being open when there are no services running on them... So am I. lsof will

[EUG-LUG:1049] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 01:42:14PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: [root@benBox /etc]# telnet localhost 6667 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. portsentry actually binds to the list of ports in

[EUG-LUG:1050] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Kahli R. Burke
Jacob Meuser wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 01:42:14PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: [root@benBox /etc]# telnet localhost 6667 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1). Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. portsentry actually binds to the list of ports in

[EUG-LUG:1051] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Ben Barrett
Jacob Meuser wrote: Is the idea behind portsentry to ba a fly catcher (I can think of any other reason to fake services), an if so, how would listening on 127.0.0.1 achieve this? Yes, I think that's a decent description. The opening of otherwise-unused ports definately seems like bait to

[EUG-LUG:1052] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Ben Barrett
Kahli R. Burke wrote: It looks like portsentry just binds to all interfaces instead of being selective and only binding to a specific interface like a publically connected ethernet card. So, it doesn't really care whether it's coming from the loopback device or eth0 or whatever. This

[EUG-LUG:1053] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:41:41PM -0800, Kahli R. Burke wrote: Is the idea behind portsentry to ba a fly catcher (I can think of any other reason to fake services), an if so, how would listening on 127.0.0.1 achieve this? (I should proof read before I send :( It looks like portsentry

[EUG-LUG:1054] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:38:36PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I think the idea is to try to befuddle those who are trying to get a system OS signature from a portscan. scrub in on $ext_if all block in log quick on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP pass out on $ext_if inet

[EUG-LUG:1056] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:46:19PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I agree in that it helps to bring more advanced network security tools to common users. However, for anyone really having a handle on network security OR trying to (!), I think it does impede understanding. Then it only

[EUG-LUG:1057] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Bob Miller
Jacob Meuser wrote: scrub in on $ext_if all block in log quick on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to any flags FUP/FUP pass out on $ext_if inet proto tcp from { $my_ip(s) } to any modulate state Does a pretty good job. For those of you who are LINUX geeks, not OpenBSD geeks, that stuff

[EUG-LUG:1058] Re: network questions: further, uh, understanding

2002-01-16 Thread Bob Miller
Jacob Meuser wrote: Then it only creates confusion, and opens ports and makes people feel safe ??? Security through non-sequitur. It's like banning in-flight meals on commercial airliners. Well fed passengers might be terrorists. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft

[EUG-LUG:1059] Re: Future is now! (drool!)

2002-01-16 Thread Christopher Allen
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Chris, I have to wonder why a cyborg would use a twidler? This message entered with a Twiddler2, the choice of today's cyborg. OK. Quasi-cyborg. Real cyborgs will be hard-wired to their digital parts. -Chris