subject:"Re\: \[Eug\-lug\]Deleted\?"

Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-24 Thread Bob Crandell

Jacob Meuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:28:30AM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
>
>> >;; ANSWERS:
>> >ocicat.crandell.net.7146CNAME   sd1.mailbank.com.
>> >sd1.mailbank.com.   1426A   64.15.175.5
>> >
>> >It looks like ocicat and sd1 are the same machine.
>> I don't know how that works.  ocicat.crandell.net is 192.168.1.2
>
>The name servers at mailbank.com are saying that ocicat.crandell.net
>is a CNAME (alias) for sd1.mailbank.com.
>
> SNIP
>
>I use an explicit MX record for each host, as well as default
>for the domain.
>
>$ORIGIN .
>$TTL 21600 ; 6 hours
>jakemsr.com
IN SOA  funk.jakemsr.com. postmaster.funk.jakemsr.com. (
>
2001011301 ; serial
>
3600   ; refresh (1 hour)
>
1800   ; retry (30 minutes)
>
604800 ; expire (1 week)
>
3600   ; minimum (1 hour)
>
)
>
NS  sly.jakemsr.com.
>
NS  funk.jakemsr.com.
>
A   64.42.83.115
>
MX  10 funk.jakemsr.com.
>$ORIGIN jakemsr.com.
>funk
A   64.42.83.116
>
MX  10 funk
>sly
A   64.42.83.117
>
MX  10 funk
>www
A   64.42.83.115
>
MX  10 funk
>
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What file are you putting that in?

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted? // topic bind/sendmail grub

2002-12-24 Thread Horst

Hhm, sounds like interesting material for an open-format LUG topic. I'd
love to see that conversation between the two of you 'on stage' at EFN HQ. 
 I have one client where I have to make sendmail/bind configurations,
eventually getting it done somehow, never w/o bruises, never with
sufficient time to experiment since their site is alive with people
waiting for mail delivery... in short, I definitely would be interested.

As for the format -casual round-table presentations- I thought our first
run in Fall turned out well; then Cory and Ralph set higher standards, but
it doesn't have to be always like that all the time, as far as I am
concerned.

To throw in one more, recently Joseph Crtr. expanded on grub vs. lilo. I'd
love to hear more about that at, let's say as a 20 min pres. followed by
Q/As -- in connection with another topic, like the one above.

My 5 centi-euros  Horst


On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:28:30AM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
> 
> > >;; ANSWERS:
> > >ocicat.crandell.net.   7146CNAME   sd1.mailbank.com.
> > >sd1.mailbank.com.  1426A   64.15.175.5
> > >
> > >It looks like ocicat and sd1 are the same machine.
> > I don't know how that works.  ocicat.crandell.net is 192.168.1.2
> 
> The name servers at mailbank.com are saying that ocicat.crandell.net
> is a CNAME (alias) for sd1.mailbank.com.
> 
> > >> I set up an alias that looks like:
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >> Now it sends but they refuse it.  Sigh.
> > >
> > >; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> crandell.net.criticalpath.net MX
> > >;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> > >;; got answer:
> > >;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58505
> > >;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0
> > >;; QUESTIONS:
> > >;; crandell.net.criticalpath.net, type = MX, class = IN
> > >
> > >;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
> > >criticalpath.net.  406 SOA ns1.cp.net. hostmaster.cp.net. (
> > >   2643734399  ; serial
> > >   1200; refresh (20 mins)
> > >   300 ; retry (5 mins)
> > >   2149200 ; expire (24 days 21 hours)
> > >   10800 ) ; minimum (3 hours)
> > >
> > >;; Total query time: 6 msec
> > >;; FROM: funk to SERVER: default -- 192.168.1.88
> > >;; WHEN: Mon Dec 23 17:07:09 2002
> > >;; MSG SIZE  sent: 47  rcvd: 117
> > >
> > >
> > >crandell.net.criticalpath.net has no MX ... no mail routing
> > >information for that machine is available.  Eventually, it comes
> > >back to sender, and the sender refuses.
> > I'll try some more variations and see if I can find a way in.
> 
> I use an explicit MX record for each host, as well as default
> for the domain.
> 
> $ORIGIN .
> $TTL 21600; 6 hours
> jakemsr.com   IN SOA  funk.jakemsr.com. postmaster.funk.jakemsr.com. (
>   2001011301 ; serial
>   3600   ; refresh (1 hour)
>   1800   ; retry (30 minutes)
>   604800 ; expire (1 week)
>   3600   ; minimum (1 hour)
>   )
>   NS  sly.jakemsr.com.
>   NS  funk.jakemsr.com.
>   A   64.42.83.115
>   MX  10 funk.jakemsr.com.
> $ORIGIN jakemsr.com.
> funk  A   64.42.83.116
>   MX  10 funk
> sly   A   64.42.83.117
>   MX  10 funk
> www   A   64.42.83.115
>   MX  10 funk
> 
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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-23 Thread Jacob Meuser

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:28:30AM +, Bob Crandell wrote:

> >;; ANSWERS:
> >ocicat.crandell.net. 7146CNAME   sd1.mailbank.com.
> >sd1.mailbank.com.1426A   64.15.175.5
> >
> >It looks like ocicat and sd1 are the same machine.
> I don't know how that works.  ocicat.crandell.net is 192.168.1.2

The name servers at mailbank.com are saying that ocicat.crandell.net
is a CNAME (alias) for sd1.mailbank.com.

> >> I set up an alias that looks like:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> Now it sends but they refuse it.  Sigh.
> >
> >; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> crandell.net.criticalpath.net MX
> >;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> >;; got answer:
> >;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58505
> >;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0
> >;; QUESTIONS:
> >;;   crandell.net.criticalpath.net, type = MX, class = IN
> >
> >;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
> >criticalpath.net.406 SOA ns1.cp.net. hostmaster.cp.net. (
> > 2643734399  ; serial
> > 1200; refresh (20 mins)
> > 300 ; retry (5 mins)
> > 2149200 ; expire (24 days 21 hours)
> > 10800 ) ; minimum (3 hours)
> >
> >;; Total query time: 6 msec
> >;; FROM: funk to SERVER: default -- 192.168.1.88
> >;; WHEN: Mon Dec 23 17:07:09 2002
> >;; MSG SIZE  sent: 47  rcvd: 117
> >
> >
> >crandell.net.criticalpath.net has no MX ... no mail routing
> >information for that machine is available.  Eventually, it comes
> >back to sender, and the sender refuses.
> I'll try some more variations and see if I can find a way in.

I use an explicit MX record for each host, as well as default
for the domain.

$ORIGIN .
$TTL 21600  ; 6 hours
jakemsr.com IN SOA  funk.jakemsr.com. postmaster.funk.jakemsr.com. (
2001011301 ; serial
3600   ; refresh (1 hour)
1800   ; retry (30 minutes)
604800 ; expire (1 week)
3600   ; minimum (1 hour)
)
NS  sly.jakemsr.com.
NS  funk.jakemsr.com.
A   64.42.83.115
MX  10 funk.jakemsr.com.
$ORIGIN jakemsr.com.
funkA   64.42.83.116
MX  10 funk
sly A   64.42.83.117
MX  10 funk
www A   64.42.83.115
MX  10 funk

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-23 Thread Bob Crandell

Jacob Meuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:35:17PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
>> I wish phpGroupware threaded messages.
>>

>
>; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> ocicat.crandell.net
>;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
>;; got answer:
>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42428
>;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 6, Addit: 6
>;; QUESTIONS:
>;; ocicat.crandell.net, type = A, class = IN
>
>;; ANSWERS:
>ocicat.crandell.net.   7146CNAME   sd1.mailbank.com.
>sd1.mailbank.com.  1426A   64.15.175.5
>
>It looks like ocicat and sd1 are the same machine.
I don't know how that works.  ocicat.crandell.net is 192.168.1.2

>
>> I set up an alias that looks like:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Now it sends but they refuse it.  Sigh.
>
>; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> crandell.net.criticalpath.net MX
>;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
>;; got answer:
>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58505
>;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0
>;; QUESTIONS:
>;; crandell.net.criticalpath.net, type = MX, class = IN
>
>;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
>criticalpath.net.  406 SOA ns1.cp.net. hostmaster.cp.net. (
>   2643734399  ; serial
>   1200; refresh (20 mins)
>   300 ; retry (5 mins)
>   2149200 ; expire (24 days 21 hours)
>   10800 ) ; minimum (3 hours)
>
>;; Total query time: 6 msec
>;; FROM: funk to SERVER: default -- 192.168.1.88
>;; WHEN: Mon Dec 23 17:07:09 2002
>;; MSG SIZE  sent: 47  rcvd: 117
>
>
>crandell.net.criticalpath.net has no MX ... no mail routing
>information for that machine is available.  Eventually, it comes
>back to sender, and the sender refuses.
I'll try some more variations and see if I can find a way in.

Thanks

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-23 Thread Jacob Meuser

On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 09:35:17PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
> I wish phpGroupware threaded messages.
> 
> Here is some more information.
> 
> Dec 22 13:14:41 ocicat sendmail[6772]: gBMLEfd06772:
> from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=314, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP,
> relay=sharon@localhost
> Dec 22 13:14:42 ocicat sendmail[6773]: gBMLEfd06772:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
> mailer=esmtp, pri=30054, relay=crandell.net.criticalpath.net. [209.231.80.62],
> dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok 1040591683 qp 3064)
> Dec 22 13:15:51 ocicat sendmail[6774]: gBMKuaq06753:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:19:15, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
> pri=390170, relay=sd1.mailbank.com. [64.15.175.5], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
> Connection refused by sd1.mailbank.com.
> 
> I think the last line is the key to my problem.  Which means that I need to change
> the domain name of my server in order to get NetIdentity to accept mail from me.  (I
> think they think I'm a spammer)

; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> ocicat.crandell.net 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42428
;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 6, Addit: 6
;; QUESTIONS:
;;  ocicat.crandell.net, type = A, class = IN

;; ANSWERS:
ocicat.crandell.net.7146CNAME   sd1.mailbank.com.
sd1.mailbank.com.   1426A   64.15.175.5

It looks like ocicat and sd1 are the same machine.

> I set up an alias that looks like:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Now it sends but they refuse it.  Sigh.

; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> crandell.net.criticalpath.net MX 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 58505
;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 0, Auth: 1, Addit: 0
;; QUESTIONS:
;;  crandell.net.criticalpath.net, type = MX, class = IN

;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
criticalpath.net.   406 SOA ns1.cp.net. hostmaster.cp.net. (
2643734399  ; serial
1200; refresh (20 mins)
300 ; retry (5 mins)
2149200 ; expire (24 days 21 hours)
10800 ) ; minimum (3 hours)

;; Total query time: 6 msec
;; FROM: funk to SERVER: default -- 192.168.1.88
;; WHEN: Mon Dec 23 17:07:09 2002
;; MSG SIZE  sent: 47  rcvd: 117


crandell.net.criticalpath.net has no MX ... no mail routing
information for that machine is available.  Eventually, it comes
back to sender, and the sender refuses.

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-22 Thread Bob Crandell

I wish phpGroupware threaded messages.

Here is some more information.

Dec 22 13:14:41 ocicat sendmail[6772]: gBMLEfd06772:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=314, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=sharon@localhost
Dec 22 13:14:42 ocicat sendmail[6773]: gBMLEfd06772:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
mailer=esmtp, pri=30054, relay=crandell.net.criticalpath.net. [209.231.80.62],
dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (ok 1040591683 qp 3064)
Dec 22 13:15:51 ocicat sendmail[6774]: gBMKuaq06753:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:19:15, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=390170, relay=sd1.mailbank.com. [64.15.175.5], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
Connection refused by sd1.mailbank.com.

I think the last line is the key to my problem.  Which means that I need to change
the domain name of my server in order to get NetIdentity to accept mail from me.  (I
think they think I'm a spammer)

I set up an alias that looks like:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Now it sends but they refuse it.  Sigh.

Merry Christmas.

Jacob Meuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 11:59:14PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
>> I'm soo confused.
>
>Yeah, sendmail lives on DNS ... it gets confisung easily.
>
>> >Right.  The mail should be going to inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net,
>> >not ocicat.crandell.net.
>
>Is this a correct statement on my part?
>
>> Ocicat mails directly.  If I used a smart relay host, it would be
>> mailhost.nu-world.com.
>
>I find it easier to relay all my mail through the same relay, instead
>of having individual hosts send mail directly (because then only the
>relay has to masquerade names and such) ... and have all incoming
>mail go to a single server (with a backup).
>
>Does ocicat have a DNS server on it?  What does
>
>$ dig crandell.net MX
>
>(the 'MX' is important) show on ocicat?  And if ocicat has a dns server
>listening on localhost,
>
>$ dig @localhost crandell.net MX
>
>would be more relevant.
>
>And finally, are you sending the mail to 'JohnL' or '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'?
>
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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-16 Thread Bob Crandell

My replies are scattered through your questions.

Jacob Meuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 11:59:14PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
>
>> >Right.  The mail should be going to inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net,
>> >not ocicat.crandell.net.
>
>Is this a correct statement on my part?
I'm not sure.

>
>> Ocicat mails directly.  If I used a smart relay host, it would be
>> mailhost.nu-world.com.
>
>I find it easier to relay all my mail through the same relay, instead
>of having individual hosts send mail directly (because then only the
>relay has to masquerade names and such) ... and have all incoming
>mail go to a single server (with a backup).
Ocicat is my central mail server that's running phpGroupware, IMAP, and Sendmail.
When I send an email to euglug.org, it goes directly to willamette.net instead of
using the smart relay at nu-world.com.  That way when my ISP changes again, I don't
have to remember to change the mail server.  Sendmail is as simple and as close to
stock as possible and still allow the users functioning email.

>
>Does ocicat have a DNS server on it?
It's doing DNS caching.

>What does $ dig crandell.net MX
root@ocicat:~# dig crandell.net MX

; <<>> DiG 9.1.2 <<>> crandell.net MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1610
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;crandell.net.  IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
crandell.net.   7200IN  MX  0 
inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
crandell.net.   7200IN  NS  ns3.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7200IN  NS  ns4.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7200IN  NS  ns1.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7200IN  NS  ns2.mailbank.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns3.mailbank.com.   209 IN  A   64.15.175.3
ns4.mailbank.com.   209 IN  A   216.10.106.120

;; Query time: 94 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Mon Dec 16 21:43:12 2002
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 196

>
>(the 'MX' is important) show on ocicat?  And if ocicat has a dns server
>listening on localhost,
>
>$ dig @localhost crandell.net MX
root@ocicat:~# dig @localhost crandell.net MX

; <<>> DiG 9.1.2 <<>> @localhost crandell.net MX
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 21886
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;crandell.net.  IN  MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
crandell.net.   7116IN  MX  0 
inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
crandell.net.   7116IN  NS  ns1.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7116IN  NS  ns2.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7116IN  NS  ns3.mailbank.com.
crandell.net.   7116IN  NS  ns4.mailbank.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns3.mailbank.com.   125 IN  A   64.15.175.3
ns4.mailbank.com.   125 IN  A   216.10.106.120

;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(localhost)
;; WHEN: Mon Dec 16 21:44:36 2002
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 196

>
>would be more relevant.
>
>And finally, are you sending the mail to 'JohnL' or '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for sticking with it.

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-16 Thread Jacob Meuser

On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 11:59:14PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
> I'm soo confused.

Yeah, sendmail lives on DNS ... it gets confisung easily.

> >Right.  The mail should be going to inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net,
> >not ocicat.crandell.net.

Is this a correct statement on my part?

> Ocicat mails directly.  If I used a smart relay host, it would be
> mailhost.nu-world.com.

I find it easier to relay all my mail through the same relay, instead
of having individual hosts send mail directly (because then only the
relay has to masquerade names and such) ... and have all incoming
mail go to a single server (with a backup).

Does ocicat have a DNS server on it?  What does

$ dig crandell.net MX

(the 'MX' is important) show on ocicat?  And if ocicat has a dns server
listening on localhost,

$ dig @localhost crandell.net MX

would be more relevant.

And finally, are you sending the mail to 'JohnL' or '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'?

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-15 Thread Joseph Carter

On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 04:21:43PM -0800, Linux Rocks! wrote:
> Bob,
>*I* am not kicking anyone from the list (I have, but only when getting a 
> *lot* of bounce messages. The mailing list software should be configured to 
> remove users that bounce message (I dont know why it doesnt sometimes...)

I can explain that in general terms, but not specific terms unless I see
some specific bounce headers.  Mailman can only remove a person based on
bounce headers if it knows for whom the mail was intended.  Debian has
worked this out with their modified smartlist setup such that bounce
messages contain identifyable information in in the address to which a
bounce should be directed.  Seems to be more effective than that is done
by mailman.

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-15 Thread Nerdboy

Bob,
Well.. if you mean removed from the eug-lug list Id say no, as this 
message came throug, and the list is only postable by subscribers...

Jamie

On Saturday 14 December 2002 10:30 am, Bob Crandell wrote:
: Did I get deleted again?

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-15 Thread Linux Rocks !

Bob,
 *I* am not kicking anyone from the list (I have, but only when getting a 
*lot* of bounce messages. The mailing list software should be configured to 
remove users that bounce message (I dont know why it doesnt sometimes...)
So.. its not a personal thing... its a machine thing. Im not sure why your 
mail server isnt working right, however my guess is that it might be a DNS 
issue (often thats the case) Id first check that all the mail servers in 
question have the proper MX records in all the DNS servers (sometimes Primary 
DNS servers dont propigate well to all the slave servers...) After that, Id 
check the mail server (Im only really familiar with sendmail 
(/etc/sendmail.cf).
If you want, I can try to help... but I am a bit rusty on all that stuff... 

Jamie

On Saturday 14 December 2002 10:30 pm, Bob Crandell wrote:
: Jamie,
: It seems every time I play with my email settings you kick me off EUGLUG. 
: Something about too many bounced messages I think.
:
: I was trying some of the things kBob suggested.  As soon as I enabled the
: changes my mail stopped.  Now it's back to the drawing board.
:
: Thanks
:
: Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
: >Bob,
: >Well.. if you mean removed from the eug-lug list Id say no, as
: >this
: >message came throug, and the list is only postable by subscribers...
: >
: >Jamie
: >
: >On Saturday 14 December 2002 10:30 am, Bob Crandell wrote:
: >: Did I get deleted again?
: >
: >___
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: >http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-15 Thread Bob Crandell

I'm soo confused.

Jacob Meuser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>
>Uh, I got the following.  Might explain something.
>
>

><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>No mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
>
>--=89668/Pfr4DNHkIEEJMA
>Content-Type: Message/Delivery-Status
>
>Reporting-MTA: dns; bouncemessage.net
>
>Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Action: Failed
>Status: 5.1.1
>

>

>
>Right.  The mail should be going to inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net,
>not ocicat.crandell.net.
>

>
>> So for Sendmail:
>> # who I send unqualified names to (null means deliver locally)
>> DRmailhost.nu-world.com
I changed DR to inbound.crandell.net.criticalpath.net then reread your paragraph
below so no surprise that it didn't work either.

>>
>> You think?
>
>No, unless you were just addressing the mail as 'To: JohnL' (unqualified
>here means without hostname, hence, null is localhost).  But you
>shouldn't need to mess with that if ocicat knows the right MX record.
>ocicat is using a relay (@criticalpath.net?) anyway, right?  Then you
>have even less to mess with.
Ocicat mails directly.  If I used a smart relay host, it would be 
mailhost.nu-world.com.


>
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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-14 Thread Bob Crandell

Jamie,
It seems every time I play with my email settings you kick me off EUGLUG.  Something
about too many bounced messages I think.

I was trying some of the things kBob suggested.  As soon as I enabled the changes my
mail stopped.  Now it's back to the drawing board.

Thanks

Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>
>Bob,
>Well.. if you mean removed from the eug-lug list Id say no, as
>this
>message came throug, and the list is only postable by subscribers...
>
>Jamie
>
>On Saturday 14 December 2002 10:30 am, Bob Crandell wrote:
>: Did I get deleted again?
>
>
>___
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
>

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Voice 541-689-9159
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-14 Thread Linux Rocks !

Bob,
Well.. if you mean removed from the eug-lug list Id say no, as 
this 
message came throug, and the list is only postable by subscribers...

Jamie

On Saturday 14 December 2002 10:30 am, Bob Crandell wrote:
: Did I get deleted again?

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Re: [Eug-lug]Deleted?

2002-12-14 Thread Jacob Meuser

On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 06:30:34PM +, Bob Crandell wrote:
> Did I get deleted again?

Uh, I got the following.  Might explain something.

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat Dec 14 12:07:22 2002
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [IPv6:::1])
by funk.gsky.dom (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBEK7CBB009172
for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:07:22 -0800 (PST)
Received: from www.jakemsr.com [64.42.83.115]
by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.1.0)
for jakemsr@localhost (single-drop); Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:07:22 -0800 (PST)
Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h000.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.64])
by www.eugeneglass.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gBE9LHVb021223
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:21:17 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (cpmta 19958 invoked for bounce); 14 Dec 2002 01:21:16 -0800
Date: 14 Dec 2002 01:21:16 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Delivery Status Notification
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Multipart/Report; report-type=delivery-status; 
boundary="=89668/Pfr4DNHkIEEJMA"
Status: RO
Content-Length: 6060
Lines: 142

This multi-part MIME message contains a Delivery Status Notification.
If you can see this text, your mail client may not be able to understand MIME
formatted messages or DSNs (see RFC 2045 through 2049 for general MIME
information and RFC 1891 through 1894 for DSN specific information).

--=89668/Pfr4DNHkIEEJMA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

This message could not be delivered to the following recipients:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
No mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)

--=89668/Pfr4DNHkIEEJMA
Content-Type: Message/Delivery-Status

Reporting-MTA: dns; bouncemessage.net

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: Failed
Status: 5.1.1

--=89668/Pfr4DNHkIEEJMA
Content-Type: Message/RFC822

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: (cpmta 19925 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 01:21:13 -0800
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Received: from localhost (root@localhost [127.0.0.1])
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