Re: What the hell?!!

2003-02-12 Thread Gary McMurtry
Bruce, et al., I'm doing it again, but I'll be brief. Fact 1: white colored tank foam piece (recall its natural color is orange) hits Shuttle's left wing; fact 2: foam (plus water ice--many's conjecture,including mine) explodes into cloud of white particles (like a snowball hit); fact 3: lef

What the hell?!!

2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Moomaw
>From the NY Times article tonight on O'Keefe's Congressional testimony: " 'The circumstances here were it came off of the external tank as the entire shuttle orbiter system was traveling at 3,600 miles an hour,' Mr. O'Keefe said. 'The piece came off, dropped roughly 40 feet at a rate of somethin

Re: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Moomaw
Message - Original Message - From: Thomas Green To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: RE: Zepplin Europa? But unless I'm mistaken, the balloons will not experience lift in a near vacuum. Perhaps just letting the meltwater vaporize to power an air-pi

RE: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread James McEnanly
Ditto for Mars and Venus. In fact from what I've heard, the area just above the cloud-tops on Venus has an atmospheric pressure equal to that of Earth at Sea Level.  John Sheff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lack of atmosphere *is* a big deal. It’s my understanding that zeppelins work on the pri

Re: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: John Sheff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Zepplin Europa? Lack of atmosphere *is* a big deal. It's my understanding that zeppelins work on the principles of buoyancy. If there's nothing to be buoyant in, they won'

RE: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread Thomas Green
Title: Message An inflatable parabolic dish is a great idea, and I think NASA has done some research into "gossamer" spacecraft:  http://www.photomodeler.com/pdf/NASA.pdf   Making good use of any meltwater that has been analyzed is also excellent.    But unless I'm mistaken, the balloons wi

RE: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread John Sheff
Lack of atmosphere *is* a big deal. It’s my understanding that zeppelins work on the principles of buoyancy. If there’s nothing to be buoyant in, they won’t work, no matter how weak the gravity.   Now, if you want to explore Titan, a zeppelin would probably the best possible way to do it.

Fw: Galileo Mission To Jupiter Topic Of Fiske Planetarium Show In Colorado

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
    - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke - Galileo Project Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Galileo Mission To Jupiter Topic Of Fiske Planetarium Show In Colorado  http://www.colorado.edu/newsservices/NewsReleases/2003/2172.htmlUniversity of Colora

Re: Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 2/12/2003 10:37:23 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're gonna dive into Europa, you need a good site.  I doubt this can be located from Earth.  Ergo, having a floating observatory is a potential key to allowing later submersibles, as well as providing a

Zepplin Europa?

2003-02-12 Thread Thomas Green
Title: Zepplin Europa? I thought Europa didn't have enough atmosphere to support a Zepplin?  Maybe a "moon hopper" would be a cheap means of locomotion that could manage jumbled terrain?  Still, it seems the JIMO orbiter will sense enough of the surface.  It seems a higher priority would be a

Re: Keep this on Europa Icepick

2003-02-12 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 2/12/2003 5:11:56 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not a question of bandwidth.  It's a question of mindwidth.  There is an astounding lack of scientific and inquiring minds out there, a public which insists that Britney Spears is a cultural icon. Sure, c

Re: On/Off Topic

2003-02-12 Thread JHByrne
Here's a proposition to get you all thinking: What are the technical problems inherent in sending a zeppelin probe to Europa? Here's the proposition: The probe that eventually goes to Europa will have a significant fuel limit, and a nearly limitless amount of terrain to explore prior to c

Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter-NASA Fact Sheet

2003-02-12 Thread MarsCity1
Click here: http://spacescience.nasa.gov/missions/JIMO.pdf Rick L. Sterling

Conduct your own exploration of Jupiter and its moons

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
JUPITER AND SATURN AFTER SUNSETThese giant planets are currently well-placed for viewing, and are greatsights even in small telescopes. Here are some articles that will help youget the most out of your planetary observing session.A Jupiter Observing Guide:> http://SkyandTelescope.com/observing/obje

NASA - Space Science - Project Prometheus

2003-02-12 Thread MarsCity1
Click here: NASA - Space Science - Project Prometheus Rick L. Sterling

Unmanned missions still face funding fight

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
Unmanned missions still face funding fight By Tamara LytleSentinel Bureau ChiefFebruary 12, 2003WASHINGTON -- Robotic space missions have long been overshadowed by NASA's focus on astronauts and may now have to compete for funding against a manned-flight program garnering public

Debate on space science - robots vs. humans

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
 The following article is from Technology Review: MIT's Magazine of Innovation:   Article Title: Space Shuttle Science     Hubble aside, what would you name as the really glorious achievements of NASA in the last 20 years? My favorite: the discovery that every moon of every planet is significantly

Keep this on Europa Icepick

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
There are plenty of places on the net to discuss all sorts of space topics.  I want this list to remain one devoted to exploring Europa, especially with the idea of the Icepick probe.  With all the bandwidth out there, I don't think it is too much to ask that one list remain focused on one topic, a

Re: What's Next -- Off topic

2003-02-12 Thread Sandy Shutey
Yes, thank you. > > The american government owns the shuttles under the direction of NASA. > A large chunk of Shuttle opperations is run by United Space Alliance > (USA) that is a joint project of Lockheed and Boeing. > > Does this help? > > Joe Latrell > > On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 21:37, Sandy Shu

Fw: Declaration of Support for Space Exploration

2003-02-12 Thread LARRY KLAES
  - Original Message - From: The Planetary Society Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:09 PM To: Planetary Society Subject: Declaration of Support for Space Exploration  Dear Friend,In times of tragedy what can an individual do? We canand should stand together as a group and express ourdeep