In a message dated 3/12/2001 11:49:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The second problem, bone loss, is a bit more severe. It apparantly only
affects the lower body, ie, the legs and the hips, since these are the
bones that carry our weight on earth. The upper body
In a message dated 3/12/2001 5:25:56 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have some short questions... First, does anybody know if there's a
listserv similar to this one, having to do with colonizing, or at least
sending probes to, Phobos? And relatedly -- what are
In a message dated 3/11/2001 6:05:05 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jovian radiation could be avoided that way, yes -- but the very great cost
of propelling resources out of Jupiter's huge gravity well would remain. I
honestly can't think of anything we could
Hello, All.
Larry Klaes mentioned two weeks ago that it's time to get serious on the
Europa proposal, to go as far forward as we can with this group for the
underlying purpose of promoting a research probe for exploring Europa and its
ice sheath and oceans.
We need a graphic, a picture, of
Okay, Hibai, I can use all the help I can get. This is a group project, so
we all take part in it, but we do need someone to help cut through the
various discussions and come up with a solid determination.
-- JHB
In a message dated 3/6/2001 12:18:55 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL
In a message dated 3/1/2001 12:24:02 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It reminded me of a story by Isaac Asimov about a robot that developed
pathways in its brain, rather than having them built in. The similarities
to
this story are remarkable, but in the BBC piece,
Hahaha! Kim Stanley Robinson has already written an award-winning series =
of books that tackles all your questions -- _Red Mars_, _Green Mars_ and =
_Blue Mars_, and then followed those up with _Antarctica_. He "shows off"
=
with his writing at places, and has technological stars in
Earth, now don't we?
-- JHByrne
==
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In a message dated 3/1/2001 10:14:20 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I would guess at this point restrictions imposed by US, Russian,
French, governments are more restrictive to the process than lack of a
market.
Which of course is the "free hand" you mentioned.
In a message dated 2/28/2001 6:39:19 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nope. _Red Storm Rising_ was Clancy's follow-up to _The Hunt for Red =
October_ which I feel is his best book. _Red Storm Rising_ was far too =
heavily influenced by Gen. John Hackett's _The Third
In a message dated 2/28/2001 7:10:05 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The assumption is, of course, that the 70 or 700, or more, people will have
something to do in space. They must be making products or providing
services
to other people on earth or in space at a
In a message dated 2/28/2001 7:25:37 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ha! Such optomism here. We'll be lucky to get a *robot* probe launched to =
Europa by 2010, much less a manned mission. Such a story would have to be =
based on an alternate history, perhaps one in
In a message dated 2/27/2001 8:22:07 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for burning sulfur for fuel: keep in mind that you have to burn it WITH
something, and Europa is singularly short on free oxygen (although it does
have a little, thanks to the breakdown of water
Larry:
Are there any plans to make a one-stop-shopping Europa website?
Clearly, we all could use a website that:
1) had various demonstrated and hypothetical data lists / pictures, etc,
about Europa (and Io, if possible).
2) had prospective pictures of any Europan submersible, crew
I know, I know--the question is "Is There Intelligent Life Down Here?" Yes,
romantic that I am, I believe there is. What I find curious is our notion
that if there is other intelligent life "out there" that it is more
advanced
than we. Suppose it's the other way around? Suppose WE are
In a message dated 2/21/2001 6:58:01 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I kinda like old name for the theoretical lurking Oort monster, Nemisis.
Was
it Clarke that came up with that? I guess it just sounds too sinister and
deliberate, and astonomers just know it would
In a message dated 2/21/2001 6:39:14 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Columbus -- the one crank in human history who accidentally succeeded
big-time -- has therefore provided false encouragement to generations of
cranks since. The fact remains that we still have a duty
In a message dated 2/21/2001 5:02:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, a major paradigm shift *has* been occurring in taxonomy over the
past 15 years, based on the accumulated data generated by the molecular
biology-genomics revolution. We now have three
In a message dated 2/20/2001 4:47:59 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Well then it's time to stop chewin' and time to start doin'!
Ages ago I asked someone, anyone to start drawing some
realistic graphics of what Icepick might look like as
the first steps towards
In a message dated 2/20/2001 12:52:47 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The discovery of these numbers of a group of microorganisms living in a
previously unsampled area "points out the basic ignorance we have of the
planet
we live on," maintains Karl. This research,
In a message dated 2/19/2001 7:53:03 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip Well, FOX wasn't even original, they stole the idea from the movie
"Capricorn One"! In this movie it wasn't the Moon that NASA was pretending
to have landed upon, but Mars. As for the killing of
In a message dated 2/19/2001 10:42:40 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What a great suggestion! The "documentary" accuses NASA, and presumably
Gene
Kranz, of murdering apollo astronauts that "knew too much". That statement
alone is worth a lawsuit, since inflicts
Now it's time for that ISS to start producing something substantial. For
instance, instead of messing around with little science experiments, why not
spend some time figuring out how to make space pay money?
I'm sure that NASA could find some pharmaceutical company that could use a
low-G
In a message dated 2/16/2001 7:32:17 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
One sad part of the show for astronomers involves the production's use
of Brian Welch, a well-liked NASA spokesman, who died unexpectedly in
November at age 42. Welch rebuts some of the coverup
In a message dated 2/16/2001 11:36:09 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It may be that Fox knows the average american better than I how else
can
you explain that you can air Alien Autopsy and also claim that we can't
land
people on the moon? Just keep flashing
In a message dated 2/14/2001 7:10:04 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think you're thinking of a series stories by Arthur
C. Clarke, in which a multinational Expedition
(British. American and Soviet) land on the Moon. In
one of them, a sodium flare is secretly
Okay, kids, here's how it works, from what I can determine:
1) Orbital Development has no valid claim. I don't know of any agency with
sufficient authority to give them such a claim. The only one on Earth
capable of doing so would be something like a UN Space Development Authority,
In a message dated 2/13/2001 7:14:37 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It appears that NASA believes that a relatively routine=20
Space Shuttle EVA is more important that the first attempt=20
to land a spacecraft on the surface on a planetoid:
Hey, NASA's got
In a message dated 2/6/2001 11:46:22 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course, if the "official" guide omits any mention of nuclear
powered craft, that could be because they are keeping sensitive military
information to themselves. I don't think there were too
In a message dated 1/25/2001 4:39:21 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Yes, there is insurance available for commercial launches; it is typically
one of the largest expenses involved with a launch excluding the launch
vehicle and spacecraft themselves. And contrary to
Say, Bruce:
Considering your recent posting of 1-5% launch failures, what's the legal
ramifications of all that? In many cases, you can't sue the Feds without
their permission -- does the same hold true in launch failures? What
happened with the Challenger disaster, back 15 years ago?
Is
In a message dated 1/23/2001 10:21:25 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And what's the deal with the American Museum and the Rose Center removing
Pluto from the planet list? In my humble opinion, 70 years of publishing
tradition makes Pluto a planet.
Aha! So you're
Sorry; with all the "" s flying around in this Group, I keep losing track
of who said what. I was under the impression, though, that you were
worried
about the stress from changing acceleration rates, rather than the constant
stress from an acceleration of a lot more than 1 G. Well,
In a message dated 1/23/2001 5:27:36 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A postscript: Two days of 1-G acceleration, and you've traveled almost 1
AU -- so if you then decelerate at the same rate, you've crossed the
diameter of the Earth's orbit in 4 days flat. I think we
In a message dated 1/23/2001 9:05:39 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe we should consider merging the three lists
ISSDG
Jupiter_list
Europa/ice-pick
A consolidation at this point would probably cut down on traffic, increase
participation and keep
My Oxford defines a moon as a "natural satellite of any planet"
Your Oxford was written in a time and place which had little comprehension of
space studies. In any event, it still doesn't address asteroid dust or ring
particles. For that matter, it wouldn't address the contents
In a message dated 1/22/2001 2:07:23 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Its a start. You don't expect them to go from
subsistence agriculture to Antoine's of New Orleams?
China is an ancient culture, with a great cuisine already. No, I don't
expect them to go for
It seems to me that the definition of 'moon' needs a revision.
That is, traditional concepts of a 'moon' is something pretty substantial,
large enough to be noticeable, perhaps even large enough to cause
gravitational effects on the parent body -- such as Earth's Luna.
Classifying any old
In a message dated 1/21/2001 3:06:57 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cripes, is Clements another one of those characters who sees McDonald's as
the American equivalent of the SS?
At risk of being labeled a 'Clementist' or somesuch moniker, I must admit
that I too
In a message dated 1/19/2001 9:22:02 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Indeed. Consider that missionaries destroyed almost all aspects of the =
Mayan, Incan and Aztec cultures they ran across, and the Australian =
government forcibly removed Aborigine children from their
Here's a grim question for all of you...
what happens in 2005 (or somesuch year) when a flying piece of space debris,
a loose wrench from an old repair job, a rocket stage, or any other of the
1000s of pieces of space junk floating around up there impacts with the ISS?
The more activity up
In a message dated 1/14/2001 2:37:27 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please note that clinically, suicide doesn't require you to
premediate an action: noone is suggesting that Gagarin jumped onto the
plane
not intending to get out in one piece; only that his
Welcome aboard, Tom. This is more than just a Europa site; it's also sort of
a 'Star Wars Bar' for various technophiles and astronomers. It works out
something like an online issue of 'Science'. I'd be interested to hear a lot
more about the acoustical probe concept, as it may be the way
In a message dated 1/12/2001 9:44:11 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For Russia this number is somewhat higher -- including a lot of ground =
support and scientific personnel killed during preflight testing. Launch =
pad explosions wiped out a lot of their brainpower,
In a message dated 1/12/2001 10:18:06 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What mission are you referring to that says NASA is going to land on Europa
in 2010? Has something been scheduled?
Tom
Tom... it's a sly Jeremy Blaeschke reference to 'Odessey 2', a sequel to
Here's a thought... considering that Pangaea was one super-continent at 200
million years ago, and considering Sam Michael's formula for the sheer mass
of a continent...
would that amount of weight on one side of the planet have given it a wobble?
The planet as it is today is somewhat
150 million bucks, and 11 years, to witness a snowball melting? Hey,
Rosetta, I got some law school debts, maybe you could pitch me a little
largesse?
-- JHB
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In a message dated 1/11/2001 10:47:15 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just as long as it's not wearing a Roman war helmet and a pair of tennis
shoes. (By the way, given their fondness for Warner Brothers cartoons, =
why
hasn't somebody in this Group proposed
In a message dated 1/3/2001 12:06:41 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As God is my witness, a mysterious 9-foot-tall black monolith appeared last
night in a Seattle city park (surrounded by several bottle caps, suggesting
that it was thirsty work for the aliens), and some
In a message dated 12/21/2000 11:47:35 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Complexity of HAL9000 = circuitry + programming + learned behavior +
knowledge
Complexity of human mind = brain + instincts? + learned behavior +
knowledge + metaphysical stuff (e.g. conciousness,
My point was, and perhaps Jayme Lynn Blaschke's as well, is that in the
process of modifying the base organism, it may become 'exotic', and no longer
have the same natural limits that it once had. I looked up the Caulerpa
Taxiforma reference I was given, and was frankly horrified to think of
In a message dated 12/17/2000 12:05:57 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi, I'm new to this list. I find this whole discussion about genetically
altered life and its potentially devastating effects very interesting. It
brings to mind a theory I heard (and this is
In a message dated 12/15/2000 10:15:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There was at least one SF novel a few years ago in which such a
bioengineered germ designed to clean up oil spills got out of control, ate
up the entire world petroleum supply, and returned the human
Here's a question, perhaps only due to my ignorance, but the issue must be
asked nonetheless:
If cyto-technologists DO succeed in bioengineering a more toxin resistant
bacteria, that can eat heavy metals or clean up radioactive sludge... how do
you kill the damned thing? How would it be
In a message dated 12/10/2000 7:04:19 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jim Benson's SpaceDev announced plans to claim an asteroid during his NEAP
mission; probably set the cause of nongovernmental space exploration back
ten years doing so. Tumlinson's SFF, ProSpace the
(Bear in mind, too, that some of the brontotheres of the mid Cainozoic were
pretty weight competitive with at least the smaller sauropods. No doubt the
brontotheres were something less than wildly active; but this shows that
sauropodian mammals - while probably less likely than their
In a message dated 12/8/2000 4:06:42 AM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Come on over to Jason Perry's "Jupiter List" and "ISSDG" discussion groups
and you can see Clements and I tearing at each other and questioning each
other's ancestry on a regular basis. It's wonderful.
In a message dated 12/8/2000 5:28:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This has a strange relevance to Europa, however. If life exists in the
Europan ocean, it's likely to be living in a low energy environment where
competition is unlikely to be widespread. Unlike most
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