Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 5/30/2002 2:23:08 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to question 1- In our recently completed senior design project (head to expert.cc.purdue.edu/~precoda if you're interested), we in Purdue's Astronautical Engineering program found a melting time of about

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 5/30/2002 10:53:56 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. How long would it take to melt through 12 miles of ice? 2. Is communication much more difficult? 3. Are there layers of ice flowing at different speeds that might make for a shear-zone or something? 4.

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 5/30/2002 7:50:24 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With Europa's 0.135 Earth gravity, and assuming the same 1.022 SG seawater density, excluding all other small variables, real pressure at 12 miles depth on Europa is equivalent to an Earth ocean depth of

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 5/30/2002 3:18:08 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a typical Pu RTG are not sufficient to melt through salt of some thickness threshold that an engineer familiar with the problem could calculate. My semi-educated guess is anything over 0.5 meter will be a

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread David Kay
I guess the search option depends on the available technolgy. Prumably a longer orbit for searching means more radiation exposure in orbit before landing- you would have to be sure that extra time spent would pay off. It might just be better to land and get under that lovely ice shield

RE: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 ES/CC
it in place or blocking its vertical movement. What methods or designs are needed to avoid this from happening? Mickey Schmidt -Original Message- From: Thomas Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Europa's ice thickness

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-31 Thread Robert Crawley
low earth orbit, then play with it? Robert CrawleyElite Precision Fabricators, Inc.Programmer(936) 449-6823http://epfi.cjb.net/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: Re: Europa's ice thick

RE: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
I'm confused. Does the 12 miles refer to ice thickness, ice and water, water, or what? Best regards, Jack -Original Message- From: Thomas Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday 30 May 2002 09:45 To:

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread Thomas Green
sorry for the confusion. 12 miles is the ice thickness of the crust. I should've asked, "If 12 miles is the minimum depth to reach the ocean, would this pose a serious engineering challenge for a submersible?" "Reeve, Jack W." wrote: I'm confused. Does the 12 miles refer to ice thickness, ice

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread Chris German
I read that in last week's Nature, Paul Schenk of the Lunar Planetary Institute estimates Europa's crust to be at least 12 miles deep. He calculated this on impact crater shapes. If 12 miles is the minimum depth of the ocean, would this pose a serious engineering challenge for a submersible?

RE: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread jsheff
30, 2002 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Europa's ice thickness With Europa's 0.135 Earth gravity, and assuming the same 1.022 SG seawater density, excluding all other small variables, real pressure at 12 miles depth on Europa is equivalent to an Earth ocean

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread Thomas Green
, Jack W. Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Europa's ice thickness With Europa's 0.135 Earth gravity, and assuming the same 1.022 SG seawater density, excluding all other small variables, real pressure at 12 miles depth on Europa

Re: Europa's ice thickness

2002-05-30 Thread Paul Precoda
As to question 1- In our recently completed senior design project (head to expert.cc.purdue.edu/~precoda if you're interested), we in Purdue's Astronautical Engineering program found a melting time of about 9 months for 2 1/2 miles of ice, assuming all 4.3 kW of a typical RTG's thermal output