A possible encounter in Europa's ocean one day...

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2004-06-30/encounte.jpg

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
You may be interested in Robert J. Bradbury's work on Matrioshka Brains:   http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/index.html   Larry     - Original Message - From: Michael Turner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Ros

Perhaps one day on Europa...

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
...we will find this:   http://oz.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/1998-12-31/2010.jpg     or this:   http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/Hx/Pictures/pillar.html    

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
Team Encounter is planning on sending a vessel to the stars with the data on many human beings, including their DNA embedded in the ship.   I just checked their Web site and there is a note saying it is down.  I hope this is a temporary situation and that they can succeed in the mission.   h

Re: ET bits in "junk" DNA (was Re: A response to Rose and White's paper)

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
I think you will find this article interesting.  Scroll down to near the end before the bibliography:   http://www.coseti.org/lemarch1.htm   Larry     - Original Message - From: Michael Turner To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Frida

Fw: Genesis Reentry

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
  - Original Message - From: NASA Science News To: NASA Science News Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:13 PM Subject: Genesis Reentry NASA Science News for September 3, 2004On September 8th, a daylight fireball will streak across the westernUnited States. It's Genesis, returning s

RE: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
In Roger Penrose's book, The Emperor's New Mind", he presents the argument that true AI, rooted in digital computer systems, is not possible. I've borrowed an explanation of it from Kelley Ross: The Emperor's "new clothes," of course, were no clothes. The Emperor's "New Mind," we then suspect, i

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 12:57:19PM -0400, LARRY KLAES wrote: > So what do you suggest is an alien artifact sitting right in front of us? A fly on the wall, an invisible bubble, a rock in the Kuiper belt. But, the most likely explanation: we're not in any alien's lightcone. What's the chance of

Alien microbes could survive crash-landing

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040830/full/040830-10.html   Alien microbes could survive crash-landing Philip Ball Tough bugs make interplanetary wanderings more plausible.   Bacteria could survive crash-landing on other planets, a British team has found. The result supports

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
So what do you suggest is an alien artifact sitting right in front of us?   Larry   - Original Message - From: Joseph Z. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: RE: Rose's Web site Many times the best place to hide things from people

RE: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread Joseph Z.
Many times the best place to hide things from people are right in front of their faces! If an alien race is much more technologically advanced than they would be seen only when they want to. An example would be our military chrypto gear. You can have your radio tuned to the right frequency, but

ET bits in "junk" DNA (was Re: A response to Rose and White's paper)

2004-09-03 Thread Michael Turner
> Michael: > > What do you think of Paul Davies' hypothesis in "Do we have to spell it out" > (New Scientist vol 183 issue 2459 - 07 August 2004, page 30 -- see excerpt > below) that ET might have inserted a message into highly conserved sequences > of junk DNA? Note that further support for pansp

Antimatter to the stars

2004-09-03 Thread LARRY KLAES
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/08/08/MNG0984OM41.DTL   Interstellar travel is just an antimatter of time Energy from particle annihilation could cut voyages by light years Keay Davidson, Chronicle Science Writer   "Antimatter men" haunted comic books and TV scienc

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread Michael Turner
I should make some of the underpinnings of my reasoning a little clearer. If you look at the Drake Equation, it really pops out at you: the lifespan of civilizations hugely dominates the probability of contact. The first one we hear from is likely to have been around for a very long time. If yo

Re: A response to Rose and White's paper

2004-09-03 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:54:01PM +0900, Michael Turner wrote: > Larry writes: "Over his example of a milion years' travel time to cover a > 1000 l.y. distance, the proper motions of both originating and target stars Let's see, in the lab we can push a piece of a gray sail (carbon truss cloth) w

Re: Rose's Web site

2004-09-03 Thread Michael Turner
> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is > > indistinguishable from white > > noise." > > > That argument presumes that the civilization in > question doesnt want to be detected. Only when taken out of context. My immediate context was of a hypothetical post-Singularity AI that COULD und

Re: A response to Rose and White's paper

2004-09-03 Thread Michael Turner
Larry writes: "Over his example of a milion years' travel time to cover a 1000 l.y. distance, the proper motions of both originating and target stars will have a large influence. This creates problems of propulsion and guidance (including mid-course corrections), and the service life of the