Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-05 Thread Robert J. Bradbury
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Bruce Moomaw wrote: As for mechanical drilling through ice rather than melting; it can be done, but all the studies conducted over the past few years have concluded that, on balance, it requires much more energy expenditure than hot-water jet melting. There might also

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 ES/CC
Planetarium Center for Educational Multimedia USAF Academy, CO 80840 -Original Message- From: Joe Latrell [mailto:joe_latrell;beyond-earth.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:33 AM To: Europa IcePIC mailing list Subject: RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Christlieb, Scott F.
[mailto:Mickey.Schmidt;usafa.af.mil] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts There are several sources of rocky material on Europa. I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how much there might be however. The freckle

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/2/2002 6:29:38 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last I heard, the team designing the possible 2007 "CryoScout" Mars Scout mission to penetrate a hundred meters or so through Mars' north polar icecap were still undecided about whether its Cryobot would

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts In a message dated 11/2/2002 6:29:38 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last I heard

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/1/2002 6:33:52 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking that we could enhance the vehicle's ability to negotiate changes in direction by giving it a head that swiveled. The ability to bend in the middle would also be helpful. I keep imagining

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:04:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would information regarding MIT's Robopike (a robot that imitates the behavior of a fish) be of use to Icepick? Relevant URL: http://web.mit.edu/towtank/www/pike/ Larry Yes, I think so, particularly

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:27:57 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something has really been nagging me and I wanted to throw it out to the group. The assumption up to this point is that ther would be debris to navigate around. Why? Unless physics has changed, ice floats.

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:51:25 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. Good point. I guess I pictured in my mind a glacier, where sand, rocks and boulders had been pushed and collected over time. In the ice fields of Earth's North and South poles, is there debris like

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:27:57 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something has really

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-02 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:04:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would information

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread LARRY KLAES
]' Subject: RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts I was thinking that we could enhance the vehicle's ability to negotiatechanges in direction by giving it a head that swiveled. The ability to bendin the middle would also be helpful. I keep imagining that the Europa Icepick could

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread Christlieb, Scott F.
student of all things Europa -Original Message- From: Reeve, Jack W. [mailto:Jack.Reeve;bakerhughes.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts It's an elegant notion, but articulation

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread Joe Latrell
, November 01, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts It's an elegant notion, but articulation is component-intensive and failure-prone. Also, it is most probably unnecessary. Directional control could come via

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread Christlieb, Scott F.
is anything that may have fallen from the sky. -Original Message- From: Joe Latrell [mailto:joe_latrell;beyond-earth.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:33 PM To: Europa IcePIC mailing list Subject:RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts Advanced Note

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
talking to myself, so I commonly make little jumps of rationale. Jack -Original Message- From: Christlieb, Scott F. [mailto:schristlieb;websmartinteractive.com] Sent: Friday 01 November 2002 11:41 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread Joe Latrell
. [mailto:schristlieb;websmartinteractive.com] Sent: Friday 01 November 2002 11:41 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts Being unlearned in these things, but really curious... I don't understand how preferential heating or jetting

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread RomeoRaven
I was looking over the Galileo mission photos of Europa and see many colored photos that show plenty of sediments -- minerals that are not water. They are not sure what they are and may be just higher concentrations of salt but even a salt vein or pockets would be considered debris to avoid

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-01 Thread LARRY KLAES
for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts I was looking over the Galileo mission photos of Europa and see many colored photos that show plenty of sediments -- minerals that are not water. They are not sure what they are and may be just higher concentrations of salt but even a salt vein or pockets would

Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-10-30 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 10/30/2002 5:46:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Indeed it is -- the water-filled tunnel that the Cryobot melts in the ice freezes solid again less than a meter above its rear end (and the sheer pressure of the ice just a few hundred meters down would