Re: Space Elevators (Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V)

2003-09-10 Thread Michael Turner
Commercial applications of Space Elevators? Um ... let capitalism figger it out. Build it and the apps will come, it says here: http://www.liftport.com/faqs/index.php?fuseAction=faqfgID=14faqID=28 Some of the industries mentioned -- pharmaceuticals, semiconductor manufacturing -- have put

RE: Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-08 Thread Vern Radul
]Subject: Re: Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Actually, the original rationale for periodic Japanese temple burnings is much simpler than this: burning these temples was the easiest and (on a windless day, at any rate) safest way to demolish a structure made entirely of wood

Re: mass drivers for earth-to-orbit cargo lift (was Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V)

2003-09-07 Thread Michael Turner
: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: mass drivers for earth-to-orbit cargo lift (was Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V) Robert (or maybe Larry) writes: I suspect I'd lean towards a mass-driver + small rocket combination before I'd go with a space elevator. The nice thing about robotic

Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-07 Thread LARRY KLAES
Larry: That all the blueprints were destroyed is, I believe, an urban legend. The following annotations from my Romance to Reality website (http://rtr.marsinstitute.info) might go some way toward answering Mr. Bradbury's questions. "The Saturn V F-1 Engine Revisited," AIAA 92-1547, B. W. Shelton

Re: Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-07 Thread Gary McMurtry
Larry, Thanks for posting that informative piece on the Saturn V. In Japan, there is a temple made of local pine that is periodically burned to the ground and rebuilt. The rationale is the technology and know how (i.e., the important details not on the blueprints) to make a replacement are thus

Re: Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-07 Thread Michael Turner
08, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Fw: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Larry,Thanks for posting that informative piece on the Saturn V. In Japan, there is a temple made of local pine that is periodically burned to the ground and rebuilt. The rationale is the technology and "

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Gary McMurtry
Robert, Joe, et al., We've been down this road before. Even if the folklore (?) about the blueprints being stored in a trailer that burned is true, there is at least one Saturn V left--on display at Johnson Space Center in Houston, possibly yet another in Huntley, Alabama--that could be

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Michael Turner
Joe Latrell writes, in response to Robert Bradbury, about the loss of Saturn V design information: ... if the Rocketdyne people kept anything about how the engines were built, then we could design a HLLV (heavy lift launch vehicle) that could lift significantly more than

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Michael Turner
] - Original Message - From: Gary McMurtry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Robert, Joe, et al., We've been down this road before. Even if the folklore (?) about the blueprints being stored

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Joe Latrell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Robert, Joe, et al., We've been down this road before. Even if the folklore (?) about the blueprints being stored in a trailer that burned is true

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Michael Turner
McMurtry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Robert, Joe, et al., We've been down this road before. Even if the folklore (?) about the blueprints bei

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread James McEnanly
I seem to recall that in the wake of the Challenger accident, Hughes was working on something called a Jarvis launcher http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/jarvis.htm, which used components from the Saturn V. this would be very difficult if the tooling and blueprints were destroyed.Michael Turner [EMAIL

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread LARRY KLAES
- From: Michael Turner Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V Joe writes: I do not pine for the old days of apollo - I just want the technology. The engines were fabulous and as pointed out could probably be reverse engineered

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-06 Thread Robert J. Bradbury
Ok, the best information I been advised of at this time (from what I would call semi-authoritative sources) is that the blueprints for the Saturn V are preserved on microfilm. However they would be insufficient because apparently there were on-the-fly modifications made by the

mass drivers for earth-to-orbit cargo lift (was Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V)

2003-09-06 Thread Michael Turner
Robert (or maybe Larry) writes: I suspect I'd lean towards a mass-driver + small rocket combination before I'd go with a space elevator. The nice thing about robotic missions is that they can be hurled off a mass-driver at much higher velocity (due to higher G-force acceleration) than can

SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-05 Thread Robert J. Bradbury
The recent release of the CAIB report has caused both hearings in Congress as well as lots of speculations, e.g.: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/05/1731237mode=threadtid=134tid=160tid=98tid=99 Obviously if we had inexpensive heavy lift capacity today, the entire debate about

Re: SPACE: Loss of the Saturn V

2003-09-05 Thread Joe Latrell
Robert, The biggest problem is that even if you had the blueprints it still wouldn't work right. The techniques used in manufacturing the Saturn are forever lost. We have newer (and supposedly better) ways of building things. A lot of things have just changed too much. Now with that said, if