EV Digest 4760
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: World Solar Challenge, Comments
by ROBERT RICE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Adjustable timing 8-inch motor - correction and photos
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Parts wanted or to sell
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Adjustable timing 8-inch motor - correction and photos
by Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: World Solar Challenge, Comments
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Was Moment of....Now, EV book
by "Shelton, John D AW1 \(VP-08\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Which Nedra class?
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Can batteries be mounted up front ahead of the bumper?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: World Solar Challenge, - Patents
by "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: World Solar Challenge, Comments
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: 2006 FL NEDRA Race - early details
by Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Bradley EV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Buresh)
21) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Siemens EV Motors
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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djsharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Forgive my heresy. These cars are not practical vehicles. If you could
road register them you would become road metal after a 600hp Kenworth &
road train or B double driven by a pill popping crazed driver completed
the passing (I wonder what that strange crunching noise was). The event
is surely an academic exercise.
I await the inquisitors
David
Hi David,an' All;
Oh, ya may get a few<g>! But it's the technology were after, after all my
Rapter controller was born and bred on the dragstrip years ago, now it's in my
"Gofur car" Far, well, once at Power of DC, see Discovery Channel, from racing.
As John puts it on the Zombie" We break stuff so you don't have to" Seams that
Wars and Racing improve most any technology. OK, marketing. The Good Folks that
do batteries for Laptops and cell phones, we have the T zero's performance,
soldering 6000 laptop batteries isn't for the faint hearted, but upscaling cell
batteries up to car size will EVentually happen. Then an Oil Company will buy
up the rights<g>! WHICH Prez was known as the "Trustbuster" back in the old
daze? Teddy Roosevelt? One of those guys, He must be spinning in his grave like
a Capstone turbine, today.Your HO train set scaled up 87 times becomes full
size and can carry a hellova lot of what hasta move. As we say on the RR
"What's a few hundred tons among friends?"
Road trains, yeah, they should be a short footnote in history. What a pain
in the ass, in traffic ,a truck as long as a freight train! Fuel prices today
SHOULD thin them out, as the trailer boxes are strapped down to flatcars and
sent under way, under catenery, on the RR. We have vertually NO freight hauled
by electric,in USA, since Amtrak took over the North East Corridor, formally
the Pennsylvania RR. THEY moved mile long freight trains with magnificent
electric Lokies, considered classics, the whole lot by RR buffs, like me.But
they were in the way of the pass trains, sez Amtrak, but the Pennsy moved a
hellova lot MORE of both in their " Standard Railroad of the World" daya. They
even SAID that on their timetables!I'm talking about 80 years ago, sigh. But a
Acela train sure could go like hell across the plaines states, delivering
cheaper seat miles per killawatt than todaze jet fuel prices. But RR's are
hidiously expensive to build, and maintain, nowadaze. Jet Blue do!
esn't
have a track dept, or Bridge and Building , all that stuff a RR hasta keep.All
you do is buy the planes and fly them over Govt maintained "track" and
terminals. Fuel prices could level the playing field, at least for short trips.
Off trak, as usual, but Solar Challenge is fun to watch, should be a feature
program on Discovery and the history of it for the History Channel.Hey! TV
worth watching and putting on DVD's Passing them around!
Seeya
Bob
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I was curious, if you advance the timing say 7 degrees will the top speed
increase? I guess a way to test would be to operate at 12V and move the
timing back and forth to find the highest speed.
Thanks, Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Massey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: Adjustable timing 8-inch motor - correction and photos
> At 01:45 AM 23/09/05 -0700, Doug Weathers wrote:
> >In an attempt to make it up to you, I took some pictures and posted
> >them on my website. Enjoy.
> >
> ><http://learn-something.homedns.org:8100/static/galleries/variable-
> >timing-motor/>
>
> Which didn't work because Doug put a space in where there wasn't one, this
> works:
>
>
>http://learn-something.homedns.org:8100/static/galleries/variable-timing-mo
tor/
>
> James
>
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Hi, Mark - the one I have is a little different than yours; the model number
is CMM1000, but there is no model name that I can see. It has 2 12V
batteries, hooked in series for 24V. They are lead/acid Yuasha (sp?), but I
can't find an ah number on them. The charge connector is a 3-pin, similar to
a computer hard drive power connector. The mower is a rear-bagger, and the
bag is in good shape. Supposedly the mower came with a mulcher kit and a
side discharge adapter also, but of course I don't have the side discharge.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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From: "Mark Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: Parts wanted or to sell
> Hi Joe,
>
> I got a B&D battery mower just before last Christmas.
>
> A friend of mine found it on his postal delivery run.
> The lady who owned it was throwing it out because it wasn't working
> properly and a new B&D battery was going to cost several hundred
> dollars.
> It sat at my friend's house for a couple of months before he realised
> that he didn't have the time to fix it (he was building his house) so he
> gave it to me.
>
> Anyway, I cleaned the crap out of it and polished up the contacts where
> the key goes in, and voila, a working battery mower.
>
> It has been working just fine for the past 10 months (on the battery
> that the original owner thought was dead :-)
>
> I've added a digital voltmeter and a 12v (cig lighter) charging socket
> to connect it to a little solar panel on the roof of my garden shed.
>
> One thing I have noticed is that the circuit board that has the original
> charging socket and a couple of LEDs has become rather corroded, and
> I've had to touch up a couple of traces with a soldering iron.
>
> So, Joe, tell us a little more about your mower.
>
> Mine is called a Stealth, runs on 12V, and has a 38Ah 12V battery.
> The mains charger supplies 15V AC at 1.5A via what looks like the same
> standard barrel connector that just about every wall-wart power supply
> uses.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Joe Strubhar
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2005 12:29 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Parts wanted or to sell
>
>
> I got a Black & Decker 19" cordless electric mower yesterday, and
> checked it
> out this morning. I need a charger and a motor - if that is going to
> cost
> too much, I'll part it out. Batteries seem to be good, and the control
> board
> is intact. Of course the handle assembly is OK.
>
> The motor is trashed - the magnets are all broken up, and the armature
> is
> ruined. The deck has a hole melted in it, although it can be repaired
> enough
> to work.
>
> Any one have the parts I need, or is anyone interested in what I have?
>
> Joseph H. Strubhar
>
> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.gremcoinc.com
>
>
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Hey Mark
Yes speed will increase as you advance but so do amps. So the ABR allows you to
find a happy medium in relationship of your voltage, motor, and load. The
higher the voltage the higher the need to time the brushes to prevent comm.
arcing. You will lose some low end torque but will see more high end speed.
Hope this helps
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
Mark Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I was curious, if you advance the timing say 7 degrees will the top speed
increase? I guess a way to test would be to operate at 12V and move the
timing back and forth to find the highest speed.
Thanks, Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Massey"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: Adjustable timing 8-inch motor - correction and photos
> At 01:45 AM 23/09/05 -0700, Doug Weathers wrote:
> >In an attempt to make it up to you, I took some pictures and posted
> >them on my website. Enjoy.
> >
> >> >timing-motor/>
>
> Which didn't work because Doug put a space in where there wasn't one, this
> works:
>
>
>http://learn-something.homedns.org:8100/static/galleries/variable-timing-mo
tor/
>
> James
>
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Can a S/P setup be done with 1 Motor ?
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From: Nick 'Sharkey' Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:45 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
On 2005-09-26, Ken Trough wrote:
> > Isn't it the other way around? Parallel for lower speeds then
> >series for higher?
>
> Nope. Off the line the motors are in series and each sees half the
> motor voltage.
Ah! S/P _motors_, not S/P _batteries_. Suddenly, it all makes sense.
-----sharks
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Hello Robert and All,
My master mechanic show me a news paper article about a month ago on a solar
power aircraft that is to be flown around the world between 2010 and 2012 by
the same persons that flew the balloon and or aircraft around the world.
This aircraft is BIG !!! with lots of motors and props with solar cells
covering the entire wing surfaces. What I was interested in, was the motors.
The motors casing is extruded plastic that look likes a big diameter plastic
pipe that has walls of about 2 inches thick.
It look like they have 8 motors and props on the wing that is longer than any
wing made.
It is to used Lithium-Cobalt batteries for when they are in the dark side.
A permanent magnet rotor is use which are normally call BRUSHLESS MOTORS. They
are having SWISS ETEL design these motors for this aircraft.
This design was built and tested in 1966 by a student of electrical engineering
here in the USA. It consisted of a fiberglass coil form with the magnet wires
wound around the outside surface. The rotor was a permanent magnet rotor.
He tried to patent it back then, but was turn down because the patent office
engineers said it did not work and was too BIG to be practical. A hand held
electric drill would have to have a crane to carry it around.
Now they are going DEMO that a BIG electric machine will be able to drive them
around the world!!
Roland
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From: ROBERT RICE<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: World Solar Challenge, Comments
djsharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Forgive my heresy. These cars are not practical vehicles. If you could
road register them you would become road metal after a 600hp Kenworth &
road train or B double driven by a pill popping crazed driver completed
the passing (I wonder what that strange crunching noise was). The event
is surely an academic exercise.
I await the inquisitors
David
Hi David,an' All;
Oh, ya may get a few<g>! But it's the technology were after, after all my
Rapter controller was born and bred on the dragstrip years ago, now it's in my
"Gofur car" Far, well, once at Power of DC, see Discovery Channel, from racing.
As John puts it on the Zombie" We break stuff so you don't have to" Seams that
Wars and Racing improve most any technology. OK, marketing. The Good Folks that
do batteries for Laptops and cell phones, we have the T zero's performance,
soldering 6000 laptop batteries isn't for the faint hearted, but upscaling cell
batteries up to car size will EVentually happen. Then an Oil Company will buy
up the rights<g>! WHICH Prez was known as the "Trustbuster" back in the old
daze? Teddy Roosevelt? One of those guys, He must be spinning in his grave like
a Capstone turbine, today.Your HO train set scaled up 87 times becomes full
size and can carry a hellova lot of what hasta move. As we say on the RR
"What's a few hundred tons among friends?"
Road trains, yeah, they should be a short footnote in history. What a
pain in the ass, in traffic ,a truck as long as a freight train! Fuel prices
today SHOULD thin them out, as the trailer boxes are strapped down to flatcars
and sent under way, under catenery, on the RR. We have vertually NO freight
hauled by electric,in USA, since Amtrak took over the North East Corridor,
formally the Pennsylvania RR. THEY moved mile long freight trains with
magnificent electric Lokies, considered classics, the whole lot by RR buffs,
like me.But they were in the way of the pass trains, sez Amtrak, but the Pennsy
moved a hellova lot MORE of both in their " Standard Railroad of the World"
daya. They even SAID that on their timetables!I'm talking about 80 years ago,
sigh. But a Acela train sure could go like hell across the plaines states,
delivering cheaper seat miles per killawatt than todaze jet fuel prices. But
RR's are hidiously expensive to build, and maintain, nowadaze. Jet Blue !
do!
esn't
have a track dept, or Bridge and Building , all that stuff a RR hasta
keep.All you do is buy the planes and fly them over Govt maintained "track" and
terminals. Fuel prices could level the playing field, at least for short trips.
Off trak, as usual, but Solar Challenge is fun to watch, should be a
feature program on Discovery and the history of it for the History Channel.Hey!
TV worth watching and putting on DVD's Passing them around!
Seeya
Bob
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Much congratulations John on pushing the envelope even further. Jim Husted
must be jumping up and down right now. You are making me afraid now that you
get closer to the 11s. I will have to be bringing the "Maniac Mazda" out of
retirement for this next season. I particularly like all the educational
aspects of your post. There is a lot to be learned from the run in series
only. A similar thing happened to me at Woodburn '04 on the first run with
"Gone Postal" when we did 0 to 80 mph in 8.8 seconds in the eighth and only
turned 93 mph in the quarter. That parallel switch is just like a nitrous
button. You have to experience it to believe it. It is also great that you
are driving to the track. Even more pro EV stuff to get the gas guys
thinking. It is also wonderful to read all your exploits in dialing in your
car at the track. I am jealous of all your track time. You are proving that
you can have a reliable street driven EV that can go to the track on
weekends and kick gas car butt!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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All,
I think I have a copy of this book. If anyone is interested I
could probably scan it and e-mail it as a PDF file. I can't say how long
it will take me, I'm really busy with lot's of projects, but drop me a
line and I'll see what I can do.
John David
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From: stU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:36
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Moment of rotation changes for EV conversion,
I found this web site and it shows the effect of removing/adding
components
for an EV conversion.
>From "EV Engineering Guidebook: Electric Vehicle Conversions for the
1980's", by Paul R. Shipps.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/tech/balance.html
stU
smime.p7s
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David Chapman writes:
> Dennis resigned his NEDRA membership a few years ago. He also
> actively disparages NEDRA quite consistently.
He definately did resign his membership and it is to the detriment of NEDRA
that they let him. If what he has related to me is true (and I have no
reason to disbelieve him) I don't blame him one bit.
The problem is, the tale that Dennis is telling (to everyone that
will listen) is a fabrication made of whole cloth. Nothing like it ever
occurred. There is no shred of truth in it. That is why he said he would
"address this off-list". Telling the lie in a public forum would change the
legal status from slander to libel. Dennis knows this.
For those that don't know, Dennis has told many people (including
the NHRA) that I unethically disqualified him from a NEDRA event for
refusing to reveal the inner workings of his car during a safety
inspection. He tells this story in a vivid blow-by-blow description. He
even claims to have the incident on tape.
Nothing like it ever happened.
On the four times I personally inspected Dennis's car, I checked
his helmet, belts, suit, and tires. That's it. Then I routinely signed his
tech card. This is that way it went all four times. No problems or issues ever.
Can you imagine how Dennis would react at the track (and the week
after that day) had this actually occurred? It would have been the talk of
the community for months. Since NEDRA was typically paying Dennis $1,000
appearance fees, I would have been dismissed from my position instantly for
such an unethical stunt. The fans would have run me out of town on a rail.
Neither Dennis or I are ever alone at the track. Crowds of fans
follow us around. A heated altercation such as Dennis describes would not
go unnoticed. This discussion list would have been flooded with the story
for months.
You have plenty of reasons to doubt Dennis's story. All you have
to do is think it through. It could not possibly have happened. Nothing
even remotely like could have happened.
>>>>>> Call for witnesses <<<<
I'd like to ask the folks on this list. Did anyone ever see this
incident? Was anyone at this NEDRA event where Dennis says I failed his car?
>>>>>> See this from my point of view <<<<
Put yourself in my position. Think about how you would react if
someone did this to you. You certainly would not feel friendly towards
Dennis, would you? Now add in a threat to your life and 100's of harassing
phone calls to your racing sponsors. You can't blame me for being a bit
short with Dennis.
What would you do in an identical situation?
>>>>> The real issue <<<
I took away the MPH record from Dennis. He is afraid I will take
the ET record as well. To you and I this is not a big deal, but to Dennis,
it is his whole life. He defends his record like a mother bear defending
it's cubs.
I've done nothing unethical or unfair towards Dennis. (I am indeed
rude and short with him these days, however.) To justify his outrageous and
unsportsmanlike behavior towards me, Dennis had to make up this story.
Otherwise, what would folks think of his actions?
Once you realize Dennis's disqualification story is a lie, you'll
see it puts an entirely different light on his behavior and my reactions to
his behavior.
I'm still very angry about all this and most will agree that I
have a complete right to be.
I don't race much anymore, mostly because of Dennis. He took all
the fun out of it for me.
Bill Dube'
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Rich Rudman said: "And Dennis is trying to make a Street legal truck Both
NEDRA and Madman's100 compliant."
I am assuming Rich that you are referring to your own ethereal 100 mph club.
I really don't believe Dennis's truck would fall into your original intended
rules for your 100 mph club. On May 16th of 2004 you posted to the list:
The point is TO HAVE A daily driver, that is 100 mph capable on the strip.
It's one of the hardest things to do. And I want it to stay exclusive. Light
dragsters, and tube frame Evs, should do it no problem. Doing it with a
commuter and lead powered is Haaarrrd!! The point of any street Rod is drive
to the soda fountain, or for some dinner, then have fun on the way home.
Dennis Berube wrote:
If a person had a pro street truck(NHRA)tube frame, fiber body fitted in
such a way as to be totaly street legal and driven on the street with a lic.
and insurance which class would it belong to in nedra?
A vehicle built like this has been discussed at NEDRA board meetings before.
The idea I had was for a class called Xtreme Street which would have the
designation XS. So if you were a high voltage car you would be XS/A When I
went to the Wayland Invitational Saturday Night Street Legal Drags at PIR I
was parked next to a fully gutted chevy that was tubbed and had 14" wide
wrinkle walls with grooves to make them street legal. It ran wheelie bars
and turned 9 second ETs. This may be the NHRA version of a street legal car
but I believe NEDRA might look at it differently. We made the modified
conversion category to handle cars that were beyond daily drivers. At that
time no one had put the money and time to build a vehicle such as Dennis
describes except for "The Ghia Monster" www.ghiamonster.com which is
currently still under construction. I personally would love to see Dennis or
anyone else build a car like this to push the EV envelope and the EV
movement. I am sure that a category for these vehicles will be established
by NEDRA at some point. It is great to see the interest in EV drag racing
growing.
Roderick wilde
NEDRA President
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Just a tech question from a NEDRA wannabe (hoping to have my
conversion done for an event in 2006). Don't you have to see the
batteries, too, to verify voltage and battery restraints? I just
realized that if they are too hard to see (like only from under the
very low car) that would make tech harder to do.
What are the most common reasons cars fail NEDRA's tech? It would be
nice to avoid any blunders while it is easy to redesign things.
Thanks.
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I checked
> his helmet, belts, suit, and tires. That's it. Then I routinely
> signed his
> tech card. This is that way it went all four times.
> ...
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Mark Grasser wrote:
> Lee,
> The more I read your posts the more I am impressed. I will restrain
> from commenting unless I know what I am talking about. :-)
Ah, but commenting often helps you *learn* what you are talking about!
If you keep quiet, you remain unenlightened. If you ask questions, or
even say things that you think are true, others can point out your
errors and provide additional information!
--
Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong
reasons.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller
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Bill
This is not of general interest to ev'ers. Please take if off list or drop
it.
Phil Marino
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:40:33 -0600
David Chapman writes:
> Dennis resigned his NEDRA membership a few years ago. He also
> actively disparages NEDRA quite consistently.
He definately did resign his membership and it is to the detriment of
NEDRA
that they let him. If what he has related to me is true (and I have no
reason to disbelieve him) I don't blame him one bit.
The problem is, the tale that Dennis is telling (to everyone that
will listen) is a fabrication made of whole cloth. Nothing like it ever
occurred. There is no shred of truth in it. That is why he said he would
"address this off-list". Telling the lie in a public forum would change the
legal status from slander to libel. Dennis knows this.
For those that don't know, Dennis has told many people (including
the NHRA) that I unethically disqualified him from a NEDRA event for
refusing to reveal the inner workings of his car during a safety
inspection. He tells this story in a vivid blow-by-blow description. He
even claims to have the incident on tape.
Nothing like it ever happened.
On the four times I personally inspected Dennis's car, I checked
his helmet, belts, suit, and tires. That's it. Then I routinely signed his
tech card. This is that way it went all four times. No problems or issues
ever.
Can you imagine how Dennis would react at the track (and the week
after that day) had this actually occurred? It would have been the talk of
the community for months. Since NEDRA was typically paying Dennis $1,000
appearance fees, I would have been dismissed from my position instantly for
such an unethical stunt. The fans would have run me out of town on a rail.
Neither Dennis or I are ever alone at the track. Crowds of fans
follow us around. A heated altercation such as Dennis describes would not
go unnoticed. This discussion list would have been flooded with the story
for months.
You have plenty of reasons to doubt Dennis's story. All you have
to do is think it through. It could not possibly have happened. Nothing
even remotely like could have happened.
>>>>>> Call for witnesses <<<<
I'd like to ask the folks on this list. Did anyone ever see this
incident? Was anyone at this NEDRA event where Dennis says I failed his
car?
>>>>>> See this from my point of view <<<<
Put yourself in my position. Think about how you would react if
someone did this to you. You certainly would not feel friendly towards
Dennis, would you? Now add in a threat to your life and 100's of harassing
phone calls to your racing sponsors. You can't blame me for being a bit
short with Dennis.
What would you do in an identical situation?
>>>>> The real issue <<<
I took away the MPH record from Dennis. He is afraid I will take
the ET record as well. To you and I this is not a big deal, but to Dennis,
it is his whole life. He defends his record like a mother bear defending
it's cubs.
I've done nothing unethical or unfair towards Dennis. (I am indeed
rude and short with him these days, however.) To justify his outrageous and
unsportsmanlike behavior towards me, Dennis had to make up this story.
Otherwise, what would folks think of his actions?
Once you realize Dennis's disqualification story is a lie, you'll
see it puts an entirely different light on his behavior and my reactions to
his behavior.
I'm still very angry about all this and most will agree that I
have a complete right to be.
I don't race much anymore, mostly because of Dennis. He took all
the fun out of it for me.
Bill Dube'
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: White Zombie Electrifies PIR ...12.424 @ 103.57 mph!
You are proving that
> you can have a reliable street driven EV that can go to the track on
> weekends and kick gas car butt!
>
> Roderick Wilde
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
> www.suckamps.com
>
Rod, John...
It's this why we are here???
And Rod... fear John at 11 seconds....Without Inspiras.... This is what a
couple of years of solid effort does.
The time melts away, in small steps....
If you don't make the small ones, you never get there.
Rich Rudman
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Pestka, Dennis J wrote:
> Can a S/P setup be done with 1 Motor?
Yes, it's done by switching the batteries from series/parallel. Parallel
= half voltage, double the current. Series = full voltage, full current.
You can also split the field coils, and wire them in series/parallel to
get two different sets of torque/speed curves.
But of course, both of these still have just one motor, so the
horsepower is roughly half of what you could get with two of the same
motor.
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reasons.
-- R. Buckminster Fuller
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Can a S/P setup be done with 1 Motor ?
How can a single motor be wired in series or parallel with itself? It
can't. You could limit the voltage at the take off point, then give full
voltage down the track a ways, but that is it.
You could also have some contactors or something that changes your
battery configuration from parallel banks to series banks or something,
but this is a totally different approach essentially.
The whole point is that having two motors gives you this series/parallel
possibility in motor control.
-Ken Trough
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http://visforvoltage.com
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From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He tried to patent it back then, but was turn down because the patent
office engineers said it did not work and was too BIG to be practical. A
hand held electric drill would have to have a crane to carry it aroud
If you're talking about the US patent office, this is not likely. The
practicality or even usefulness of an invention is not considered by the
patent office when applying for a patent. And, generally, the patent office
does not even require an invention to work. They certainly never do any
testing.
Almost all of their work is determining just that it is novel (has not been
invented, used, or disclosed before).
Did you hear this directly from the inventor, or is this third or fourth
hand information?
Phil Marino
20-something patents (so far)
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> A permanent magnet rotor is use which are normally call BRUSHLESS MOTORS.
> They are having SWISS ETEL design these motors for this aircraft.
>
> This design was built and tested in 1966 by a student of electrical
> engineering here in the USA. It consisted of a fiberglass coil form with
> the magnet wires wound around the outside surface. The rotor was a
> permanent magnet rotor.
>
> He tried to patent it back then, but was turn down because the patent
> office engineers said it did not work and was too BIG to be practical. A
> hand held electric drill would have to have a crane to carry it around.
>
Can you site a reference for that story? Seems like BS to me, I've never
heard the patent office refusing to patent something because "it's not
practical" and there are thousands of patents given out for devices that
not only don't work, but CAN'T work (they violate numerous laws of
physics).
Like I said, sounds this story sounds fishy.
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No. You didn't promise to be there. You promised to try to be there.
I promised to be there, hope I can make it!!
We're looking forward to it.
Stay Charged!
Hump
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:09 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: 2006 FL NEDRA Race - early details
I hope to be there, work and family schedule permitting. Think I already
promised an appearance. Hopefully put a new record in the books.
Darin Gilbert
BadFishRacing
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Is anyone familiar with the Bradley kit cars made in MN in the 70s? Did they
make turnkey EV versions?
I've found one for sale and would like to know if the list has any historical
knowledge of the quality and basic designs of these cars.
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Chris Buresh
St. Paul, MN
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Hi John, Could you please elaborate on this. I was not aware that the gas
guys had a 100 mph club. Please tell all you know about this. You said:
"The track officials were so pumped, they took pictures of Tim and I in
front of the car and handed us a couple more 100 mph club stickers for the
car."
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: Asking for witnesses (was: Which Nedra class? )
> I took away the MPH record from Dennis. He is afraid I will take
> the ET record as well. To you and I this is not a big deal, but to Dennis,
> it is his whole life. He defends his record like a mother bear defending
> it's cubs.
Bill,
This is just a spurious logic smokescreen on your part. If you were running
in the same class as Dennis, I could see your point. But why would Dennis be
so upset for your DRAGBIKE running faster in the 1/4 mile than his DRAG CAR?
Or even if your bike turned a lower ET? They are not in the same class!! He
might as well be disgruntled by the electric LSRs or for that matter a
passing jet, either of which by nature will always be capable of a higher
MPH. I think that rather than proving your point or defending it you are
shooting yourself with your own bullets.
David Chapman.
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Congratulations, it's been a long time coming! Wish I could've been
there to see it.
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Lee Hart wrote:
Lee Hart wrote:
The sad fact is that there is no real reason why an AC motor
"has" to be matched to its inverter, any more than a series
DC motor has to be matched to its PWM controller.
Victor Tikhonov wrote:
This is what BRUSA thinks about it, and they know their stuff:
http://www.brusa.biz/products/e_motoren108.htm
If you want peak performance and efficiency, then you match the motor
and controller.
Who wouldn'twant the peak performance and efficiency?
But if you can accept a modest reduction in performance
and efficiency, then there can be some degree of mismatch.
May be you can accept it, BRUSA can't.
For example, a standard 120vac 60hz induction motor can be operated on
...
Lot's of good stuff which makes perfect sense...
...
This is what I was getting at. If you don't match the AC motor and
controller, you can expect a modest loss of efficiency, and an increase
in operating temperature. Nothing drastic happens unless you "cross the
boundaries" of its safety factors; too much speed, too much voltage, too
much current, etc.
Nothing drastic, except that BRUSA becomes from what it is
known for, a Curtis, Alltrax and others such, outsourcing
business in China. Then it is no longer BRUSA as we know it.
Coming back to your own message about "right" customer,
the customer who can accept "modest" reduction
in performance and efficiency is not a target customer
for BRUSA.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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