EV Digest 4782
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Solar tour and a new scooter for the EV Photo Album
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Grass rootes basic info
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Battery charging in parallel (A Different Idea)
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Industrial motors was: Re: Siemens EV Motors
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Battery charging in parallel (A Different Idea) Lee?
by "stU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Streamlined Scooters
by "Nick 'Sharkey' Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) FW: Battery charging in parallel (A Different Idea) Lee?
by "Robert Chew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Iota problem screws.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Siemans Motors
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Victoria BC! HEADS UP FOLKS! re Personal Electrics in your parks!
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Victoria BC! HEADS UP FOLKS! re Personal Electrics in your parks!
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Victoria BC! HEADS UP FOLKS! re Personal Electrics in your parks!
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) RE: Solar Trailer?
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) RE: Is it really okay to expose motor to the "elements"
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: S-10 Conversion Speed Sensor
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Proof of concept/alternatives
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Iota problem screws.
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Is it really okay to expose motor to the "elements"
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Solar Trailer?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) RE: Motor Close Call (I hope)
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) RE: Battery charging in parallel (A Different Idea) Lee?
by "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I had a nice day at the Solar Tour in San Francisco. I was at Mike's & Nic's
house & while they demonstrated and answered questions about their solar
system I talked about my car and gave scooter rides. A little suprise
during the luls in traffic was the dumpster find by Mike of a Boreem type
junk scooter a 36v 750watt(not really. It didn't perform as well as the
450watt Bladez I brought) 959 - I 5 Freedom Scooter with the intelect
charger(Chinese translation of smart charger I think). It was in pieces but
within 15 minutes we had it going and after it sat for a week it happened to
have a full charge. It had the charger & instruction manual. The
turnsignals and brakes work but the right rear turn signal is broken off &
the switch for the headlight is broken off also. We used a hose clamp to
hold on the seat but the quick release for the front fork is FUBAR. We have
it held on by screwing down the quick release and inserting a screw to keep
it from rotating. If someone has a line on Boreem parts thanks for the URL
in advance. There were many interested people that came for the tour
including three loads of people that came in a biodiesel van.
Here is the URL for posting new electric vehicles:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/albumsubmission.html
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3) wrote:
> It was said that overcharging would be OK in floodies because you
> could replace the water lost by gassing. When you have to replace
> the water (with distilled water) what level of charge do you lose?
None. The lead and sulfuric acid are the "fuel" that produces the
electricity. The water is just a solvent, carrier and coolant.
Too little water, and the acid gets so strong it can attack the plates.
The plates can also get above the water level, exposed to the air, where
they can overheat and melt at high currents.
Too much water, and the battery's internal resistance gets too high.
> How long does the water take to become acid again?
It mixes all by itself over several hours. It will mix much faster if
the battery is being charged and gassing, so the bubbles rising will mix
it.
> Does it have to go through a complete charge cycle to become acid?
No.
> Is there some kind of formula or do you add water after and just
> deal with the loss of charge?
You measure the specific gravity with a hydrometer to determine the
percent acid and water. The specific gravity should not be over 1.300 at
full charge, and about 1.100 when dead.
--
Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an
injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they
are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily. - Thomas Szasz
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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On 1 Oct 2005 at 21:00, stU wrote:
> Anyone who ever used a single charger to charge one battery, disconnect, and
> then connect to another battery, has done what I am trying to explain.
I've done this, but always allowed each battery to run to the completion of
the charge cycle before moving on to the next. With a smart charger, I'm
pretty sure that interrupting the charge cycle can (or will) throw off its
monitoring unless it's explicitly designed for this.
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At 07:19 PM 1/10/05 -0700, Lee Hart wrote:
> The motor I have... is 415V, 50Hz, 37kW, 2800RPM air cooled (internal
> airflow). In order to get high RPMs out of it, I would need to have
One other comment. You said it was "internal airflow". Was it completley
closed, so the internal fan only stirred the air around inside the case?
No, a big vent each end - smooth case, compact for its' horsepower, thought
I could put an external blower via the case vents.
I can get an industrial drive to run it from a battery pack, and be happy
at 400V on the DC buss, have it rewound for a lower voltage (maybe 100V -
that way I could tell the rewinders' to put 1/4 the turns of 4x the cross
sectional area - or greater if it'll go. Encoder feedback should help it to
get up and go. Maybe a 2-speed gearbox.
If fuel keeps going the way it has been going (now nearly $1.40/liter -
around $4.40US/gal), my 4000kg (GVM) diesel work truck may get electrified.
But I've also got a big Hitachi DC motor, so...
But I've got to get the little Daihatsu truck done first.
James
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Let's ask Lee.
stU
> Anyone who ever used a single charger to charge one battery, disconnect,
and
> then connect to another battery, has done what I am trying to explain.
I've done this, but always allowed each battery to run to the completion of
the charge cycle before moving on to the next. With a smart charger, I'm
pretty sure that interrupting the charge cycle can (or will) throw off its
monitoring unless it's explicitly designed for this.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EV List Assistant Administrator
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if anyone here is seriously considering making a streamlined
two-wheeler, this might be of interest:
http://www.craigvetter.com/pages/470MPG/high%20mileage%20fairing.html
-----sharks
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Hi All,
Why can't the 6 batteries just be charged in parallel all at once. I know
that each has different VOC at the terminals., but if left long enough, and
is the regulator is a series one, the other batteries may eventually even
out in the Voc.
Just hook each battery terminals to the one common DC bus coming out of a
charger?? I am not entirely sure, but please enlighten me some more.
I will be using a series charger. But just pondering on the idea of having a
charged battery bank at home re-charging my batteries from a PV system since
I will be out most of the daylight day.
Cheers
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I some how lost and found the positive setscrew for the output of the Iota
unit I have. I put it in sidways. (they should use a longer setscrew.
When I got it out it rolled somewhere and I can't find it. Does anyone know
what type of thread it is? It'll save me a big hastle. Looks like a fine
thread. Lawrence Rhodes......
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Before I bought the warp 9, I looked at using an industrial 3phase motor
like the one mentioned. Lee left the response I would about makeing an
end-bell
What if we made our own water cooled housing and transfered the windings
to it. Leave a small fan inside to stir air and transfer heat from
rotor. I checked with a motor shop and pressing the armature out is
possible, although some are keyed or bolted and arn't even a press fit.
I didn't go this route because the torque was so low and so was the RPM,
I didn't understand at the time just how much torque I could get
intermittantly when given a constant value.
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>From your Capital Regional District Parks and Recreation Dept., seen
here:
<http://www.crd.bc.ca/parks/>
Review of Motorized Use of Regional Trails
CRD Parks is carrying out a review of the issue of motorized use of the
Galloping Goose and Lochside regional trails. According to the
Galloping Goose Regional Trail Management Plan, adopted in 1989,
"Motorized use of the corridor is not compatible with non-motorized
forms of recreation or with the natural qualities of the corridor."
The recent increase in the use of electric bicycles and other forms of
motorized equipment (e.g. electric scooters and skateboards), however,
has created a new management challenge for CRD Parks. While supportive
of some of these new technologies as green transportation alternatives,
we are also committed to ensuring the safety and enjoyment of all
visitors who share the trails.
This review will be complete by March 2006. A full update of the
management plan for the regional trails will follow, beginning in late
2006. Public input is welcome at any time.
And from here, the PARKS COMMITTEE Notice of Meeting on Wednesday,
October 5, 2005 @ 1:30 p.m. (NEXT WEDNESDAY, evFOLKS!):
http://www.crd.bc.ca/agendas/parkscommittee_/poct5agenda/POct5agenda.pdf
CAPITAL REGIONAL DISTRICT
Board Room, 524 Yates Street, Victoria, B.C.
AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Minutes of September 7, 2005
3. Chairs Remarks
4. Requests to Address Committee
To access committee reports, go to the Reports Library
http://www.crd.bc.ca/reports/index.htm and select
the Parks Committee folder, where reports for the current agenda are
posted. Reports contain only the text of the report and are provided
for information only. Complete copies of signed reports and all
attachments, appendices, drawings, etc., mentioned in the report are
available through CRD Administration Dept. at 360-3129. There may be a
charge to cover the cost of copying.
5. CRD Parks Master Plan Review of Strategic Directions Workshop
Report (For Information)
6. Sooke Potholes Regional Park Update (For Information)
*****************************************
7. Motorized Use on Regional Trails (Resolution Required) <- <- <-
*****************************************
8. Update Pilot Project to Eradicate American Bullfrogs (For
Information)
9. General Managers Report (For Information)
10. Summer Environmental Interpretation Programs (For Information)
11. CRD Parks Fall Programs Guide (For Information)
12. Volunteers in Parks Newsletter Summer 2005 (For Information)
13. Correspondence
a) K. Rintoul, 25 June 2005 RE: Mountain Biking at Mount Work Regional
Park Hartland (and response)
b) J. Dorion, 27 June 2005 RE: Appreciation for Galloping Goose
Regional Trail (and response)
c) G. Treloar, Principal, Sangster Elementary School, 5 July 2005 RE:
Access to Wittys Lagoon Regional Park
d) Mayor C. Causton, District of Oak Bay, 7 July 2005 RE: Sooke
Potholes Regional Park Opening
e) C. Maurice, 7 July 2005 RE: Mount Wells Appreciation (and response)
. . . 2f) J. McMahen, 22 July 2005 RE: Swimming and maintenance at
Beaver Lake (and response)
g) M. Wulder, 4 August 2005 RE: Status of Mount Work Regional Park
Hartland Mountain
Biking Area (and response)
h) T. Josephson, 17 August 2005 RE: We salute the Galloping Goose (and
response)
i) C. Chetwynd, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
j) A. Petrowski, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
k) M. Howell, 25 August 2005 RE: Thetis Lake adult hike (and response)
l) N. Mogensen, Coalition for the Protection of Surplus Federal Lands,
27 August 2005 RE: Surplus Federal Land Protection
m) J. Gifford, Galiano Island Parks and Recreation Commission, 30
August 2005 RE: Acquisition of Land between Matthews Point and Bluff
Park (and response)
n) B. Irvine, 2 September 2005 RE: CRD web site feedback (and response)
o) A. Hull, 8 September 2005 RE: Galloping Goose Trail Experience (and
response)
p) R. Wallis, The Golden Rods & Reels Fishing Society, 21 September
2005 RE: No to the Victoria Rowing Society
14. New Business
15. Public Question Period
16. Motion to Move In Camera in Accordance with the Community Charter
Part 4, Division 3, Section 90(1) (c) labour relations or other
employee relations; and (e) the acquisition, disposition or
expropriation of land or improvements
17. Adjournment
IN CAMERA AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Special In Camera Minutes of July 6, 2005
3. In Camera Items
4. Rise and Report (if applicable)
5. Adjournment
PLEASE FWD THIS ONTO ANY BC EV FOLKS!!! The neo-Luddites will be
writing for sure. EVerybody needs to pen something to this
committee!!!
CRD Parks
490 Atkins Avenue
Victoria BC
V9B 2Z8
Phone: (250) 478-3344
Fax: (250) 478-5416
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lOCK
(Fighting the Toronto Parks Dept. Rogue Administration and their
illegal and immoral ban for personal electrics since 2004...)
It is so much easier to stop bad laws before they are enacted, rather
than overturn them after the fact. At least you have a chance here to
make sure that your Parks folks make an informed decision.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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>From your Capital Regional District Parks and Recreation Dept., seen
here:
<http://www.crd.bc.ca/parks/>
Review of Motorized Use of Regional Trails
CRD Parks is carrying out a review of the issue of motorized use of the
Galloping Goose and Lochside regional trails. According to the
Galloping Goose Regional Trail Management Plan, adopted in 1989,
"Motorized use of the corridor is not compatible with non-motorized
forms of recreation or with the natural qualities of the corridor."
The recent increase in the use of electric bicycles and other forms of
motorized equipment (e.g. electric scooters and skateboards), however,
has created a new management challenge for CRD Parks. While supportive
of some of these new technologies as green transportation alternatives,
we are also committed to ensuring the safety and enjoyment of all
visitors who share the trails.
This review will be complete by March 2006. A full update of the
management plan for the regional trails will follow, beginning in late
2006. Public input is welcome at any time.
And from here, the PARKS COMMITTEE Notice of Meeting on Wednesday,
October 5, 2005 @ 1:30 p.m. (NEXT WEDNESDAY, evFOLKS!):
http://www.crd.bc.ca/agendas/parkscommittee_/poct5agenda/POct5agenda.pdf
CAPITAL REGIONAL DISTRICT
Board Room, 524 Yates Street, Victoria, B.C.
AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Minutes of September 7, 2005
3. Chairs Remarks
4. Requests to Address Committee
To access committee reports, go to the Reports Library
http://www.crd.bc.ca/reports/index.htm and select
the Parks Committee folder, where reports for the current agenda are
posted. Reports contain only the text of the report and are provided
for information only. Complete copies of signed reports and all
attachments, appendices, drawings, etc., mentioned in the report are
available through CRD Administration Dept. at 360-3129. There may be a
charge to cover the cost of copying.
5. CRD Parks Master Plan Review of Strategic Directions Workshop
Report (For Information)
6. Sooke Potholes Regional Park Update (For Information)
*****************************************
7. Motorized Use on Regional Trails (Resolution Required) <- <- <-
*****************************************
8. Update Pilot Project to Eradicate American Bullfrogs (For
Information)
9. General Managers Report (For Information)
10. Summer Environmental Interpretation Programs (For Information)
11. CRD Parks Fall Programs Guide (For Information)
12. Volunteers in Parks Newsletter Summer 2005 (For Information)
13. Correspondence
a) K. Rintoul, 25 June 2005 RE: Mountain Biking at Mount Work Regional
Park Hartland (and response)
b) J. Dorion, 27 June 2005 RE: Appreciation for Galloping Goose
Regional Trail (and response)
c) G. Treloar, Principal, Sangster Elementary School, 5 July 2005 RE:
Access to Wittys Lagoon Regional Park
d) Mayor C. Causton, District of Oak Bay, 7 July 2005 RE: Sooke
Potholes Regional Park Opening
e) C. Maurice, 7 July 2005 RE: Mount Wells Appreciation (and response)
. . . 2f) J. McMahen, 22 July 2005 RE: Swimming and maintenance at
Beaver Lake (and response)
g) M. Wulder, 4 August 2005 RE: Status of Mount Work Regional Park
Hartland Mountain
Biking Area (and response)
h) T. Josephson, 17 August 2005 RE: We salute the Galloping Goose (and
response)
i) C. Chetwynd, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
j) A. Petrowski, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
k) M. Howell, 25 August 2005 RE: Thetis Lake adult hike (and response)
l) N. Mogensen, Coalition for the Protection of Surplus Federal Lands,
27 August 2005 RE: Surplus Federal Land Protection
m) J. Gifford, Galiano Island Parks and Recreation Commission, 30
August 2005 RE: Acquisition of Land between Matthews Point and Bluff
Park (and response)
n) B. Irvine, 2 September 2005 RE: CRD web site feedback (and response)
o) A. Hull, 8 September 2005 RE: Galloping Goose Trail Experience (and
response)
p) R. Wallis, The Golden Rods & Reels Fishing Society, 21 September
2005 RE: No to the Victoria Rowing Society
14. New Business
15. Public Question Period
16. Motion to Move In Camera in Accordance with the Community Charter
Part 4, Division 3, Section 90(1) (c) labour relations or other
employee relations; and (e) the acquisition, disposition or
expropriation of land or improvements
17. Adjournment
IN CAMERA AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Special In Camera Minutes of July 6, 2005
3. In Camera Items
4. Rise and Report (if applicable)
5. Adjournment
PLEASE FWD THIS ONTO ANY BC EV FOLKS!!! The neo-Luddites will be
writing for sure. EVerybody needs to pen something to this
committee!!!
CRD Parks
490 Atkins Avenue
Victoria BC
V9B 2Z8
Phone: (250) 478-3344
Fax: (250) 478-5416
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lOCK
(Fighting the Toronto Parks Dept. Rogue Administration and their
illegal and immoral ban for personal electrics since 2004...)
It is so much easier to stop bad laws before they are enacted, rather
than overturn them after the fact. At least you have a chance here to
make sure that your Parks folks make an informed decision.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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>From your Capital Regional District Parks and Recreation Dept., seen
here:
<http://www.crd.bc.ca/parks/>
Review of Motorized Use of Regional Trails
CRD Parks is carrying out a review of the issue of motorized use of the
Galloping Goose and Lochside regional trails. According to the
Galloping Goose Regional Trail Management Plan, adopted in 1989,
"Motorized use of the corridor is not compatible with non-motorized
forms of recreation or with the natural qualities of the corridor."
The recent increase in the use of electric bicycles and other forms of
motorized equipment (e.g. electric scooters and skateboards), however,
has created a new management challenge for CRD Parks. While supportive
of some of these new technologies as green transportation alternatives,
we are also committed to ensuring the safety and enjoyment of all
visitors who share the trails.
This review will be complete by March 2006. A full update of the
management plan for the regional trails will follow, beginning in late
2006. Public input is welcome at any time.
And from here, the PARKS COMMITTEE Notice of Meeting on Wednesday,
October 5, 2005 @ 1:30 p.m. (NEXT WEDNESDAY, evFOLKS!):
http://www.crd.bc.ca/agendas/parkscommittee_/poct5agenda/POct5agenda.pdf
CAPITAL REGIONAL DISTRICT
Board Room, 524 Yates Street, Victoria, B.C.
AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Minutes of September 7, 2005
3. Chairs Remarks
4. Requests to Address Committee
To access committee reports, go to the Reports Library
http://www.crd.bc.ca/reports/index.htm and select
the Parks Committee folder, where reports for the current agenda are
posted. Reports contain only the text of the report and are provided
for information only. Complete copies of signed reports and all
attachments, appendices, drawings, etc., mentioned in the report are
available through CRD Administration Dept. at 360-3129. There may be a
charge to cover the cost of copying.
5. CRD Parks Master Plan Review of Strategic Directions Workshop
Report (For Information)
6. Sooke Potholes Regional Park Update (For Information)
*****************************************
7. Motorized Use on Regional Trails (Resolution Required) <- <- <-
*****************************************
8. Update Pilot Project to Eradicate American Bullfrogs (For
Information)
9. General Managers Report (For Information)
10. Summer Environmental Interpretation Programs (For Information)
11. CRD Parks Fall Programs Guide (For Information)
12. Volunteers in Parks Newsletter Summer 2005 (For Information)
13. Correspondence
a) K. Rintoul, 25 June 2005 RE: Mountain Biking at Mount Work Regional
Park Hartland (and response)
b) J. Dorion, 27 June 2005 RE: Appreciation for Galloping Goose
Regional Trail (and response)
c) G. Treloar, Principal, Sangster Elementary School, 5 July 2005 RE:
Access to Wittys Lagoon Regional Park
d) Mayor C. Causton, District of Oak Bay, 7 July 2005 RE: Sooke
Potholes Regional Park Opening
e) C. Maurice, 7 July 2005 RE: Mount Wells Appreciation (and response)
. . . 2f) J. McMahen, 22 July 2005 RE: Swimming and maintenance at
Beaver Lake (and response)
g) M. Wulder, 4 August 2005 RE: Status of Mount Work Regional Park
Hartland Mountain
Biking Area (and response)
h) T. Josephson, 17 August 2005 RE: We salute the Galloping Goose (and
response)
i) C. Chetwynd, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
j) A. Petrowski, 24 August 2005 RE: Visit to regional parks
k) M. Howell, 25 August 2005 RE: Thetis Lake adult hike (and response)
l) N. Mogensen, Coalition for the Protection of Surplus Federal Lands,
27 August 2005 RE: Surplus Federal Land Protection
m) J. Gifford, Galiano Island Parks and Recreation Commission, 30
August 2005 RE: Acquisition of Land between Matthews Point and Bluff
Park (and response)
n) B. Irvine, 2 September 2005 RE: CRD web site feedback (and response)
o) A. Hull, 8 September 2005 RE: Galloping Goose Trail Experience (and
response)
p) R. Wallis, The Golden Rods & Reels Fishing Society, 21 September
2005 RE: No to the Victoria Rowing Society
14. New Business
15. Public Question Period
16. Motion to Move In Camera in Accordance with the Community Charter
Part 4, Division 3, Section 90(1) (c) labour relations or other
employee relations; and (e) the acquisition, disposition or
expropriation of land or improvements
17. Adjournment
IN CAMERA AGENDA
1. Approval of Agenda
2. Adoption of Special In Camera Minutes of July 6, 2005
3. In Camera Items
4. Rise and Report (if applicable)
5. Adjournment
PLEASE FWD THIS ONTO ANY BC EV FOLKS!!! The neo-Luddites will be
writing for sure. EVerybody needs to pen something to this
committee!!!
CRD Parks
490 Atkins Avenue
Victoria BC
V9B 2Z8
Phone: (250) 478-3344
Fax: (250) 478-5416
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lOCK
(Fighting the Toronto Parks Dept. Rogue Administration and their
illegal and immoral ban for personal electrics since 2004...)
It is so much easier to stop bad laws before they are enacted, rather
than overturn them after the fact. At least you have a chance here to
make sure that your Parks folks make an informed decision.
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
__________________________________________________________
Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca
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You would have to try the charger on it to find out. I myself have never
run a charger off of an inverter - only off of a generator.
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From: Rush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:54 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Solar Trailer?
How do you know that the inverter is incompatable?
And as to it's awesomeness, Peter VanDerWal did a quick $$ study -
"Hmm, that's kinda neat, but an opening bid of $7,500?
Let's see:
Solar panels $1300
Batteries $ 400
Inverter $ 100 (it's a *modified* sine wave!!)
Trailer $ 200
====================
Total $2000
275% profit. Damn, I'm in the wrong bussiness."
While his numbers may not be totally accurate, he is right that it is
totally overpriced.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:09 AM
Subject: RE: Solar Trailer?
> That is an awesome trailer! The inverter installed on it is incompatible
> with a 115V charger though. It would be a great way to get a good idea
> about how to make one for the motorcycle project though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meta Bus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:04 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Solar Trailer?
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6002539033
>
> A solar trailer for y'all.
>
>
>
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It is an electric component. I would not advise getting it wet. What might
benefit you is to build a small skid plate under the vehicle to guard from
splash and such. It will also help with efficiency in the long run by
channeling wind under the car rather than through it.
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From: Eric Poulsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:31 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Is it really okay to expose motor to the "elements"
With many conversions, the motor is often located near the underside of
the car. I've read here that you shouldn't worry too much about the
motor, but is it really okay with getting wet/dirty? What happens when
you hit a big puddle, and have direct splash onto the motor?
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Why not just make a new gage cluster using the aftermarket speedo? Most of
the stuff in the stock gage cluster is not used anymore anyways. You could
get creative and make it look very custom.
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From: Michaela Merz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:47 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: S-10 Conversion Speed Sensor
Hey John and others:
Well, the speed sensor is currently connected to an external speedo that
runs well. Only if I connect it to the integrated speedo, it gives me
crab. And I was talking to an Chevy mechanic who told me, that the speed
sensor runs through the PCM and from the PCM to the speedo. I don't know
though, if that guy just wanted to sell me a 300$ replacement PCM.
Question is: If I would have to use the PCM, is there any way to
circumvent it short of completely rebuilding/replacing the integrated
speedo? I am afraid that the stock speedo actually is just a meter and
that the speedo electronics is actually integrated into the (missing) PCM.
Michaela
> No computer involved. The variable reluctor sensor used for the
> speedo pickup generates a pulse whose amplitude is roughly
> proportional to the speed. The speedo usually has some sort of
> automatic gain control to accommodate the low voltage pulses at low
> speed. It is most likely that when the gain is up, the speedo is
> picking up interference from the motor controller.
>
> The first thing to do is to make sure the speedo wiring is located far
> away from any traction wiring. If that doesn't fix things then you
> should try running shielded twisted pair from the pickup to the
> speedo. If the problem is still there then you'll have to start
> looking for ground loops and/or tramp connections between the traction
> and 12 volt wiring.
>
> One other thing to check is to make sure your DC/DC converter isn't
> outputting trash onto the 12 volt side.
>
> John
> ---
> John De Armond
> See my website for my current email address
> http://www.johngsbbq.com
> Cleveland, Occupied TN
>
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That sounds like a great idea! You don't think a PVC tank would be needed?
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From: Jeff Shanab [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:03 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Proof of concept/alternatives
I was wondering what makes vacuum pumps so "special"
http://www.shoplocal.com/shoplocal/Default.aspx?action=detailbroadreach&pret
ailerid=-99798&listingid=-2096537714
This unit has an inlet port, instead of drawing air thru motor. It is
tapped 1/4" pipe and they provide a plastic and foam filter for this
hole. I connected this to the vacuum booster hose and left the air side
open.
I put it in the 300ZEV using the vacum switch from a 300zx turbo without
a tank as a test.
It runs for 3 seconds and shuts off and does that every second brake
activation. It also runs 1/2 second every 8 so I realize that it is
missing a checkvalve between the pump and the system and leaking back
thru pump or there is another leak. Yes, this means I can hear it while
I drive. Perhaps a series resistor to slow it down will quiet it. This
is "72LPM" if someone finds a 30 LPM with an inlet port, let me know.
It is overkill in size, but I will always be able to turn on the key,
open a vacum valve to air to start it, then connect the hose provided to
pump up a tire :-) Dual Purpose!
I am thinking of mounting it under where the gas tank was and using the
remaining hard steal fuel line to bring the vacuum up to the engine
compartment.
We will see how long it survives.
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Go to your Auto Parts Store, Hardware Store or Tool Box Store and take the
Allen wrench with you that you used to install or remove the set screw and pick
up a range of set screws that fits that Allen wrench and look like the one you
take out which might be metric or standard.
I do this often to replace the very short set screws with a longer one. Make
sure all the sets screws are the same length, as not to have a balance problem.
Also I will apply a bit of non-permanent Lok-Tite to the set screw too.
Its handy to have a box of 3-M or equal black windshield strip putty. This is
a very sticky stuff, where I will apply to the end of a screw driver, sockets,
box and open end wrenches and Allen wrenches. This keeps the fastener from
dropping of the tool if you are trying to place a fastener into a area where
you cannot reach with you fingers.
Another tool that is handy for set screws, is that if you have to go in with a
angle with the Allen wrench is a Ball end Allen wrench.
Roland
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From: Lawrence Rhodes<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 2:55 AM
Subject: Iota problem screws.
I some how lost and found the positive setscrew for the output of the Iota
unit I have. I put it in sidways. (they should use a longer setscrew.
When I got it out it rolled somewhere and I can't find it. Does anyone know
what type of thread it is? It'll save me a big hastle. Looks like a fine
thread. Lawrence Rhodes......
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
415-821-3519
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I have not seen the water cooling portion of the Zilla controller. Does
someone have it already set up with pictures that I could see? Are there
tubes on the back or something? What kind of waterpump is needed? How much
flow/minute? Would a 9 tube transmission cooler work well?
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From: Jim Coate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:21 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Is it really okay to expose motor to the "elements"
One of the advantages of Zillas being water cooled is that you can put
the entire controller + hairball set up in its own compartment,
protected from the elements.
Now I'm wondering how much water (New England weather and living close
to the coast) had to do with my DCP woes of days gone by.
Bob Rice wrote:
> anything becides a contacter, THEY work wet, controller you hafta protect
> it from ANY water. EVen on super damp drippy CT weather was enough to put
> the fire out on a Rapter and T Rex! Washing the car too enthusticly,
loused
> it up even, used a hair dryer to get it dried out dso it would work.
Nothing
> more depressing than a dead Squalid state controller after you have had a
> contacter setup!That ya built and know how to troubleshoot.
>
> I don't know if Otmar sealed anything up on Zillas, I hope so, because
> most of my Stupid Stuff failures with DCP's stuff was water related.
> Origional smoke is still in my Raptures, just they would die in their
sleep,
> nothing dramatic.
--
Jim Coate
1970's Elec-Trak's
1998 Chevy S-10 NiMH BEV
1997 Chevy S-10 NGV Bi-Fuel
http://www.eeevee.com
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> You would have to try the charger on it to find out. I myself have never
> run a charger off of an inverter - only off of a generator.
>
Probably not a good idea with a "Modified" sinewave inverter. Many
devices not only do not work with them, but will be destroyed if you 'try
it to find out'.
Best bet is to ask the manufacturer of the charger if it will work on a
modified sinewave inverter.
Sinewave inverters (as opposed to "modified" sinewave) on the other hand
produce a waveform that is as good or better than that from a generator.
FWIW a 'modified' sinewave inverter basically produces a three step square
wave:
+--+ +--+
| | | |
-+ +-+ +-+ +-
| |
+--+
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:54 AM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: Solar Trailer?
>
>
> How do you know that the inverter is incompatable?
>
> And as to it's awesomeness, Peter VanDerWal did a quick $$ study -
>
> "Hmm, that's kinda neat, but an opening bid of $7,500?
>
> Let's see:
> Solar panels $1300
> Batteries $ 400
> Inverter $ 100 (it's a *modified* sine wave!!)
> Trailer $ 200
> ====================
> Total $2000
>
> 275% profit. Damn, I'm in the wrong bussiness."
>
> While his numbers may not be totally accurate, he is right that it is
> totally overpriced.
>
> Rush
> Tucson AZ
> www.ironandwood.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dewey, Jody R ATC (CVN75 IM3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:09 AM
> Subject: RE: Solar Trailer?
>
>
>> That is an awesome trailer! The inverter installed on it is
>> incompatible
>> with a 115V charger though. It would be a great way to get a good idea
>> about how to make one for the motorcycle project though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Meta Bus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:04 PM
>> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: Solar Trailer?
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6002539033
>>
>> A solar trailer for y'all.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I
wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long
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What I would do is use a transmission jack instead of a floor jack. They are
not that expensive and they have a much wider jack head and the ability to
run chains over the motor to secure it. It will also give you the ability
to adjust it while you are placing it back in the car.
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From: Roland Wiench [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 10:41 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Motor Close Call (I hope)
The engine hoist method works great on initial installment of the electric
motor when all the other equipment surrounding it is not install.
If I want to pull the motor for maintenance, I do not want to remove the
motor controller unit that is above the motor, remove the A/C unit, power
steering, power brakes systems, vacuum pumps, the rotating DC-DC-AC inverter
unit, the frame work to hold all these units, the hood and front end of the
car, so I can pull it out with a engine hoist.
So I built a floor jack assemble that is very stable. If I jack the car on
very heavy duty jack stands two feet of the ground, I can roll the motor
with attach bell housing and transmission under the car and jack it up into
place.
The front of the motor has a pilot shaft, that uses a Dodge Flexible coupler
that just plugs into the accessories drives units. After the motor mount
bolts are removed, it only takes 10 minutes to remove the motor assembly.
I used a 2 ton Low Profile floor jack that has a swivel pad on it. Drill a
3/8 hole through the pivot rod of the swivel and bolted a 2-1/2 by 2-1/2 by
2-1/2 inch steel 1/4 inch thick steel channel to it.
Than I made a half circle steel holder that is 4 inches wide made from a 10
inch OD pipe that is the same outside of my motor. Its has a 3 by 3 by 3
inch channel welded to it that slips over the 2-1/2 channel on the floor
jack pad. It wraps half way around the motor and uses a 1/4 inch thick by 2
inch nylon strap that goes over the top of the motor, which is bolted down
tight like a clam shell motor mount.
This floor lifting unit can tilt and rotate. To place the motor and
transmission assembly on these unit, then I used a hoist.
If you are running a EV with only a bare naked motor which you can still
see, than it's easy to remove with a hoist, unlike the engines in a new car
that you cannot see anymore. After 20 years of adding stuff in the motor
bay until its pack tight against the hood, I now cannot see the motor any
longer.
Roland
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From: Ralph Merwin<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu<mailto:ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Motor Close Call (I hope)
Doug Weathers writes:
>
> As far as lifting the motor, after a few heart-stopping wobbles I gave
> up on the floor jack idea and just built a motor hoist out of a cheap
> Harbor Freight winch and a sawhorse kit. Works great. I can remove
> and install the motor all by myself, even though I can barely lift it
> when the adapter and flywheel are installed.
WHen I had to remove/replace the electric motor and transmission in
my Geo Prizm, I rented an engine hoist for the weekend. Worked great.
You do have to be careful to allow for the raised height of the beam
when attaching to the motor, but the wheels on the hoist made it easy
to move the assembly to a workspace and then back into the car.
Ralph
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The biggest reason is each battery charges at a slightly different rate. If
you are using a brute force charger, then you will end up overcharging some
batteries while trying to bring up the voltage of the weaker ones. You will
end up shortening the life of the pack. Charging each battery individually
has the advantage of each battery getting exactly what it needs. That way
each batteries life is as long as possible and you get max performance out
of the pack after each charge. I like the idea of a rotating switch to
charge each battery. I would change it to rotate after the charge complete
light turns of from the charger though instead of by a certain time. That
way an intelligent charge controller can be used to charge the pack and each
battery is charged in its own pattern.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Chew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:26 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: FW: Battery charging in parallel (A Different Idea) Lee?
Hi All,
Why can't the 6 batteries just be charged in parallel all at once. I know
that each has different VOC at the terminals., but if left long enough, and
is the regulator is a series one, the other batteries may eventually even
out in the Voc.
Just hook each battery terminals to the one common DC bus coming out of a
charger?? I am not entirely sure, but please enlighten me some more.
I will be using a series charger. But just pondering on the idea of having a
charged battery bank at home re-charging my batteries from a PV system since
I will be out most of the daylight day.
Cheers
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