[EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
60 pounds of battery for 1000 miles of range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxX2A041w0http://www.phinergy.com/ https://youtu.be/k6kIJlgqezE Len Moskowitz ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

[EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
60 pounds of battery for 1000 miles of range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxX2A041w0 http://www.phinergy.com/ https://youtu.be/k6kIJlgqezE Len Moskowitz ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 5, 2015, at 8:18 AM, len moskowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: 60 pounds of battery for 1000 miles of range Before you get too excited...these batteries are not rechargeable. They work by combining the aluminum in the battery with atmospheric oxygen -- essentially, they burn the

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Metal-air batteries seem to be pretty good for hearing aids. For EVs, I'm not so sure. The main problem is that they're primary batteries - not rechargeable. When they're discharged, you have to rebuild them. (Some people call them metal fuel cells.) Alcan and Unique Mobility worked with

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread len moskowitz via EV
Ben wrote:  ...these batteries are not rechargeable. I noted in the title that these are primary batteries. Wouldn't you like to have one of these as a backup when your LiIons go dead? For 60 pounds of weight, you'd get 1000 miles of range, with a few hundred miles of range between each

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread Bill Dennis via EV
, 2015 10:40 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack Metal-air batteries seem to be pretty good for hearing aids. For EVs, I'm not so sure. The main problem is that they're primary batteries - not rechargeable. When

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread Sean Korb via EV
That could make some sense if they are inexpensive. It could be used like a spare tire or like we use jumpers on an ICE if the battery goes dead. It's enough to get to the charging station if we miscalculate and get stranded between urban centers. It probably would make sense to have them on a

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread Sean Korb via EV
Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack Metal-air batteries seem to be pretty good for hearing aids. For EVs, I'm not so sure. The main problem is that they're primary batteries - not rechargeable. When they're discharged, you have to rebuild them. (Some people call them metal fuel cells

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Wed Aug 05 10:15:20 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Wouldn't you like to have one of these as a backup when your LiIons go dead? For 60 pounds of weight, you'd get 1000 miles of range, with a few hundred miles of range between each plain water fill-up. If the price was right, this might be a