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From: "Jay Summet via EV"
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Cc: "Jay Summet"
Sent: 13-Feb-22 05:01:18
Subject: Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US
On 2/11/22 17:22, Willie via EV wrote:
On 2/11/22
On 13 Feb 2022 at 13:08, paul dove via EV wrote:
> Explicit subsidies accounted for only 8 percent of the total. The
> remaining 92 percent were implicit subsidies
What a load of hooey. It's all money. It's all corporate welfare -
socialism for the rich. What the freak are you doing
Explicit subsidies accounted for only 8 percent of the total. The remaining 92
percent were implicit subsidies, which took the form of tax breaks or, to a
much larger degree, health and environmental damages that were not priced into
the cost of fossil fuels, according to the analysis.
So not
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] $7.5bn for ev charging stations across the US
On 2/11/22 17:22, Willie via EV wrote:
On 2/11/22 5:04 PM, nathan christiansn via EV wrote:
The only problem that I see with this is that
On 2/11/22 17:22, Willie via EV wrote:
On 2/11/22 5:04 PM, nathan christiansn via EV wrote:
The only problem that I see with this is that the government is making
people who do not support ev’s pay for ev charging.
A government that is 28 trillion dollars in debt should not be spending
Our goal when we created Tesla a decade ago was the same as it is today: to
accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass
market electric cars to market as soon as possible.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/mission-tesla
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On 12 Feb 2022 at 14:25, Willie McKemie via EV wrote:
> Tesla's goal is to hasten the adoption electric vehicles.
So Musk says, or at least he used to.
> The others goal is to delay adoption.
That's unquestionably true in the US.
In Europe, nope.
The automakers aren't stupid. Western
Please point to even one sign that this the case. Among of investment? Number
of models? Amount of marketing?
- Mark
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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Willie McKemie via EV wrote:
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> Tesla's goal is to hasten the adoption electric vehicles. The others
Tesla's goal is to hasten the adoption electric vehicles. The others goal
is to delay adoption.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 14:16 paul dove via EV wrote:
> The other car companies got the same tax credits as Tesla and they built
> zero public chargers
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The other car companies got the same tax credits as Tesla and they built zero
public chargers
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On Saturday, February 12, 2022, 10:15 AM, EV List Lackey via EV
wrote:
On 12 Feb 2022 at 13:37, paul dove via EV wrote:
> They should reimburse Tesla for their
In Ohio they classify the Chevy Volt as an EV which means I have to pay an
extra $200 every year to update my registration. If I drive on gasoline only I
would have to go 25,000 miles to equate to the $200 extra fee. They are
definitely penalizing the EV driver!
On Saturday, February 12,
On 12 Feb 2022 at 8:24, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> The slowness and lack of responsiveness of the utilities in California
> have been a big issue in trying to deploy the technology.
You younguns weren't around then, but we crusty curmudgeons remember a half
century and more back, when the
I would agree that there would only be a modest amount of congestion “at this
time”.
But BEVs will be flooding the market over the next few years, and that will be
short-lived. Can they expand the network quick enough, while maintaining the
same level of performance, reliability, etc?
On 12 Feb 2022 at 13:37, paul dove via EV wrote:
> They should reimburse Tesla for their charging network if they're
> gonna put chargers in for all the other companies
I don't see why. Tesla chose to bundle the cost of their exclusive,
private, proprietary charging into the $100k price of
I would guess that they would have to apply for the funds, which may be
allocated to the states for distribution. But I haven’t looked at the bill,
and it may all be undecided right now.
Monopoly? Maybe.
- Mark
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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 7:39 AM, Steves via
On 2/12/22 10:39 AM, Steves via EV wrote:
Tesla has the infrastructure there already. Why not piggyback onto their
network. Pay Tesla to add a few chargers for other cars at each of their
stations. Be relatively cheap that way. And yes it’s promoting a charging
monopoly, but they do have a
For the charger funding issue:
In Europe, Tesla has opened a few charging locations to non-Tesla
vehicles. If that trend continues and comes to the USA, it could be that
Tesla might then be eligible for federal infrastructure funding.
Part of the issue is competing standards. It's easier to
Tesla has the infrastructure there already. Why not piggyback onto their
network. Pay Tesla to add a few chargers for other cars at each of their
stations. Be relatively cheap that way. And yes it’s promoting a charging
monopoly, but they do have a great system.
-Steve
> On Feb 12, 2022, at
Weren’t the cost of those chargers incorporated into the purchase price of the
vehicles?
- Mark
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> On Feb 12, 2022, at 6:19 AM, paul dove via EV wrote:
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> They should reimburse Tesla for their charging network if they’re gonna put
> chargers in for all
They should reimburse Tesla for their charging network if they’re gonna put
chargers in for all the other companies by the way I paid $200 a year tax on
my electric vehicle in Alabama
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On Friday, February 11, 2022, 5:16 PM, jamie via EV wrote:
A couple
On 11 Feb 2022 at 15:04, nathan christiansn via EV wrote:
> The only problem that I see with this is that the government is making
> people who do not support EVs pay for ev charging.
Yep. And even though I don't have any kids, the gubmint makes me pay taxes
so that all those grubby
As far as I know, the charging business cannot yet be profitable without
subsidies.
If anyone has any contrary data, I would welcome it. If there is any data
showing WHEN it might be profitable, I would be happy to see that, too.
- Mark
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> On Feb 11,
A couple of relevant data points:
-Biden recently publicly credited Tesla as America's leading EV
manufacturer. Yes, it took a while, but that talking point is over.
Meanwhile we'll see if Ford, VW, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan and others can
catch up, as their new models arrive.
-The
On 2/11/22 5:04 PM, nathan christiansn via EV wrote:
The only problem that I see with this is that the government is making
people who do not support ev’s pay for ev charging. I say that we wait for
mass ev adoption to happen(which will happen very soon). After this,
businesses and apartment
The only problem that I see with this is that the government is making
people who do not support ev’s pay for ev charging. I say that we wait for
mass ev adoption to happen(which will happen very soon). After this,
businesses and apartment building owners will pay for ev charging stations
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