Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-15 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Wire heating is very real - hence there are derating tables for selecting wire gauge for an application - ampacity. 4% change in resistance over 10°C is significant Insulation severely derates copper conductors. I am familiar with Allegro Microsystems Hall sensors and most are temperature

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Michael K Johnson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org That AH meter at lightobject looks very interesting. It doesn't say what shunt or range of shunts it can use that I can see. I have a buck converter that I can put on my tractor to power the meter, but obviously I'd need to use a shunt to

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
Because the resistance of copper changes 4% for every 10 degree change in temperature. Manganin, which shunts are made of, barely change at all. Typically it's less than 0.05% in the normal temperature range and 0% around 30-40C. Here's a graph http://images.elektroda.net/89_1304228034.png Copper

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Michael K Johnson via EV
I don't use manganin battery leads (no one does), but I like a temperature-stable reference, and 10-15mV drop in normal operation is noise. ☺ And my longest battery lead is in the middle of my pack so it's biased by half the pack, which would mean that it would be more of a pain to measure since

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
The problem is that 10-15 mV is noise on a battery cable, but 20-30% of range for a typical meter with 50 mV input sensitivity. That's why you need a shunt that is very stable. Mike On May 14, 2014 6:26:15 PM MDT, Michael K Johnson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I don't use manganin

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
Thanks for bringing that to my attention, Peter, although ±4% for 90% of the typical annual temperature change here isn't TOO bad! I'm guessing temperature affects on battery capacity are of a similar magnitude. I think I like the hall-effect torus sensor better. A 50 mV drop at 500 A is 25

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 19, Issue 19

2014-05-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jan Steinman via EV wrote: Thanks for bringing that to my attention, Peter, although ±4% for 90% of the typical annual temperature change here isn't TOO bad! I'm guessing temperature affects on battery capacity are of a similar magnitude. Keep in mind that the wire also heats up from the