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It inevitable. Solar panels on anything that sits in the sun is cost
effective if the power can be used.
Kia adding it to cars: https://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2018=680816
Even if it only charges the 12v battery, it is still 200 Watts incoming.
Even though the 12v battery is always
But no stick shift, so it fails the spec requirement.
- Mark
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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Lawrence Rhodes
> wrote:
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> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:42:12 -0700
> From: Mark Abramowitz
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> Discussion
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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:42:12 -0700
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Yes, I saw the price, and the
Yes, I saw the price, and the performance, and the stick shift. It looked
practical to me for that purpose (though out of my price range). You don’t
think the girls would think it’s cool?
C’mon dad. It would be a great birthday present. ;-)
- Mark
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> On
Didn’t Bruce just post an article about a converted Corvette that left the
stick shift in?!
- Mark
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> On Oct 27, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
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> We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not
> practical
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
Did you see the price? Not practical. Lawrence Rhodes
Who buys Corvettes because they're "practical"?
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Obsolete (Ob-so-LETE). Adjective. 1. Something that is simple,
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Did you see the price? Not practical. Lawrence Rhodes
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Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars
Didn’t Bruce just post an article
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
I can't get my son to drive the Leaf for anything but Lyft. He says the girls
think it's cool he can drive a sticksheesh...
Well, Duh!
My son is the same way. He thinks our Leaf and Prius are lame-o
geek-mobiles, and so always drives our pickup. He too has
We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not
practical mostly because of miniscule parking space/expensive insurance & cost.
We all need to drive a hundred miles from time to time...or more so 2 Leafs
and a 1995 Honda Civic(Cars don't rust here) is what we have. If a
With half the population living in urban areas, including suburbs, we're
talking about a lot of people who don't have room for more than two
vehicles even if they want more. Even two, though, gives you a much
better fit than one-for-all.
Peri
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From: "Robert
Electric bicycles were my main transportation for years. Citicars and
converted EVs second and a rental ICE if I needed long distance. This
was before all the current EV options.
On 10/26/2018 12:48 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
I donno. My family of four before
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more
than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo
Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few
un-registered old EV projects out back.
I donno. My family of four before the kids left had 5. Not a one cost more
than $5k. Salvage Priuses for daily use, plus a gramma's hand-me-down Geo
Metro and an old Ford van for occasional towing and hauling. And a few
un-registered old EV projects out back. The entire fleet cost much less
If there was a vehicle that could do it all the Stella vehicles would come
close...except for towing, and carrying big loads...pretty big but not pickup
big. Also their monocoque construction is very strong and they have 5 point
seatbelts which make them as safe as formula 1. Lawrence Rhodes
Mark Abramowitz said:
> Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless
> they are
> wealthy.
> Most do have a “one car fits all”.
Amen to that. I really need three cars, but drive one that is not idea for the
majority of my driving, but required for some of it. I
Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless they
are wealthy.
Most do have a “one car fits all”.
- Mark
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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
>
> Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>> The Stella is an awesome
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what
Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big problem
is need for a variety of uses.
What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something that
works for a 15 mile solo
The Stella is an impressive car. I did read the specs, though not
carefully. The fault is my assumption that climbing, say, 1000m would
take too much energy. In fact, the climbing by itself probably would
take between 1 and 2kwh. That leaves plenty. Wow !
Peri
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Peri I doubt you have completely looked at the specs of the Stella cars. They
have huge trunks and are touted as "Family Cars" basically a small SUV. They
use a 15kw battery which without solar has a 400 mile range. So they would
charge quickly just on Chademo or CCS. Just because a car is
The mid-range (260 miles) Model 3 is indeed available, but it is $45,000.
They count on the $7,500 federal tax break and state incentives to make it
a $35,000 car. The long range Model 3 can currently be bought for about
$49,000 with federal and state incentives then reducing that price. As I am
Last time I checked the midrange model 3 was available for order
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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote:
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> My wife and I are on the waiting list for a 220 mile range Model 3. We
> don't need the 310 mile range or the high performance.
>
> When we
I installed four 158 watt solar panels (DM Solar), a charge controller (
Morningstar) and an inverter/charger (Magnum) in the RV some time ago. RV
manufacturers do not leave much space for the coach battery and then they
use a dual purpose battery that is a poor starting battery and a worse deep
This actually makes sense - especially if you have lots of batteries in
the RV as well. I think it would also be possible to use the EV as the
Large Battery for your RV, but Tesla may not allow such a modification.
Cheers, Peter
On 10/22/18 6:47 AM, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote:
My wife and I
My wife and I are on the waiting list for a 220 mile range Model 3. We
don't need the 310 mile range or the high performance.
When we travel it is usually by motorhome. I've thought about towing the EV
on a trailer that is covered with solar panels. A recharge while boon
docking would be no
ALL EV's are predominantly charged while parked. Solar panels on EV's are
not for propulsion power but for battery charging during the 8 to 16 hour
solar day while parked in the sun, not just the 30 minutes the car is in
use. This is for those without a dedicated charger at home.
Bob
Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
The numbers don't add up for solar panels on automobiles, never have,
never will.
Except that there are numerous examples of solar-powered vehicles that
*have* demonstrated substantial range at highway speeds.
There is no way it gets even 20 miles per kWh under
Robert Bruninga wrote:
Simple answer I use is that 12 full size home panels can fully charge a
typical EV to the American average 40 miles a day forever.
But it is far mor economical to put those on the roof of your house or
garage than on the car.
That's true... if you have a garage, or own
The key to dealing with climate change is not only to use cleaner energy
sources, but also to greatly reduce the amount of energy we use. A 75 fold
reduction in energy use for our transportation would be a huge win and a
major game changer for not only climate change but with resource issues.
The numbers don't add up for solar panels on automobiles, never have,
never will.
This has been proven time and time again.
There is no way it gets even 20 miles per kWh under anything but perfect
conditions and slow speeds.
And the energy from the panels again is under perfect conditions.
To look at this further, let us consider the solar energy available in the
Seattle area (again, the worst in the continental USA) over the year. The
results, in terms of sun-hours/day are:
Jan Feb Mar Apr MayJun Jul Aug
SepOct NovDec
The Stella is an awesome example of what can be done. Aside from what
Lee says, which I think is one area of resistance, another big problem
is need for a variety of uses.
What I mean is I (or you or the huddling masses...) want something that
works for a 15 mile solo commute, works to take
Larry Gales via EV wrote:
When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different results
from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the assumption
that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are not
actually lying.
The problem is that most
I have been preaching the Stella design for 5 years. Stella Lux went 932 miles
on one full charge back in 2015. This is a 4 passenger vehicle. Nuf said.
Lawrence Rhodes
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When I look at the Stella Lux and Stella Vie, I get very different results
from the negative views of solar powered cars. I start with the assumption
that the Dutch students who have won most of the solar car records are not
actually lying. So, the specs for the 4 passenger Stella Lux include
about 1956, PV was around $600/watt (when I became aware of them)~41 years ago
PV was around $101/watt (around 1975)at present PV is around $0.25 - $.030/watt
roughly
30 km out of 250km is 12% _free_ miles as PV prices decrease.
don't complain about _early_ adopters, especially in a list of
https://qz.com/1423288/why-dont-we-have-solar-powered-cars-physics/
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