Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Lee,
I have a tow dolly (2 wheel, single axle where you can attach the driven
wheels of a towed vehicle). This is a well used but useful tool, once in a
while.
Reason to buy instead of rent one was that i did not have a vehicle that
U-haul approves of for renting their dolly.
I have rented it out a couple times by requiring a full deposit in cash for
the value of the dolly($500) and signing a written agreement that i commit
to return their deposit, minus any damages and minus weekly rent ($50 a
week).
If they did not return it by an agreed date then they had bought it for the
deposit amount.
Several times it was rented and people had a leasurely week to move what
they wanted to move.
After a couple of those, the last guy called if he could keep it and i did
not need it any longer so i agreed.
A year or so later i needed a dolly again, so i bought another cheap
well-used one and have used it many times myself as well as allowed friends
to use it.
Maybe this gives an idea?
Cor.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 8:05 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
> > On Fri Aug 17 08:33:16 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >> I have been considering renting or leasing my battery balancers. That
> >> might satisfy those that don't want to spend any money or make one
> >> themselves. But I tried it once; and it took 6 months to get it back.
> :-/
> >
> > Require a deposit to be refunded when returned ON TIME.  (prorate refund
> for late returns)
>
> That would work for a cheap tool; like if I was renting a multimeter.
> But not for big-ticket items. People won't pay a deposit that would
> cover the cost if they didn't return it.
>
> Big outfits (like car rental companies, etc.) can rent expensive things
> for low deposits because they can do enough credit checks, and lock up
> your credit card etc. so if you don't return the car, they can STILL get
> you. I don't have that option.
>
> --
> "Verschlimmbessern" (German, verb) - To make something worse by
> trying to improve it. (English translation: "Microsoft"?)
> --
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[EVDL] EVent: NDEW Rides @Electric Vehicle Expo 12n-4p 9/15 S.Paris-ME

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https://www.nrcm.org/nrcm-events/electric-vehicle-expo-ride-drive-south-paris/
Saturday, September 15: Electric Vehicle Expo and Ride and Drive, South
Paris
August 10, 2018  NRCM

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Join NRCM and others to learn about electric cars in Maine on Saturday,
September 15 from 12 noon until 4:00 p.m. at Oxford Hills Comprehensive High
School in South Paris, Maine, for the fourth annual EV Expo.

The Transportation and Energy Working Groups of the Center for an
Ecology-Based Economy and the Maine Electric Vehicle Association will host
this event as part of National Drive Electric Week, which also features
events in South Portland and elsewhere throughout the state.

The event will celebrate CEBE’s ongoing installation of its Western Maine EV
Charging Network and feature guest speakers, as well as test drives and
rides of electric cars such as a VW e-Golf, Nissan Leaf, Kia Soul EV, Chevy
Bolt, Teslas, and more. eBikes will also be featured and refreshments will
be available. Don’t miss this chance to learn more about the excitement of
the Electric Vehicle revolution!

Questions? Contact Sophie Janeway, NRCM Climate and Clean Energy Outreach
Coordinator at sophie @nrcm.org.
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180813

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10/08/2018  The first New Zealand-made electric trucks are about to hit the
streets of Palmerston North. The city council has bought two trucks for
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EVLN: 1st Tesla-X 100D e-SUV to land in India r:475km ts:250kph
India's first Tesla Model X 100D Electric SUV with Autopilot is here
Aug 16, 2018  That's because like all Tesla cars, the Model X 100D is
powered by electric ... new Bharat New Vehicle Safety Assessment Program
(BNVSAP) crash test norms ... and another one lands! India’s second Tesla
Model X and it’s a 100D this time. Word has it that this would call
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[EVDL] EVLN: 1st Tesla-X 100D e-SUV to land in India r:475km ts:250kph

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https://www.cartoq.com/indias-first-tesla-model-x-100d-electric-suv-with-autopilot-is-here/
India’s first Tesla Model X 100D Electric SUV with Autopilot is here
August 16, 2018  Via AutomobiliArdent

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Another Tesla Model X electric SUV has landed in India, and this time
around, it’s the 100D variant. The Tesla Model X that was previously
imported into India through the private route and registered to billionaire
Prashant Ruia was the top of the line P 90D variant. The 100D variant, which
while being very quick, is still a few steps behind the P 90D in terms of
outright performance. The electric SUV, imported straight from the United
States, which is currently the only country that manufactures Tesla cars and
SUVs, can hit 100 Kph in a sportscar-challenging 5 seconds. In fact, this
kind of performance makes the Tesla 100D virtually faster than almost all
other luxury SUVs sold in India.

And it has no engine. That’s because like all Tesla cars, the Model X 100D
is powered by electric motors driven by lithium ion batteries. The electric
SUV weighs a hefty 2.5 tons thanks to all the batteries that drive the twin
electric motors, one on the front axle and the other on the rear axle.

Needless to say, the Model X 100D features an all wheel drive layout. Top
speed is rated at 250 Kph while the range per charge stands at 475
kilometers, which is very good indeed. What this effectively means is that
the Model X can be used on a day to day basis even in a country like India
where electric car charging infrastructure is at its infancy.

In the United States, the Tesla Model X 100D is priced at $ 96,000, which
translates to about Rs. 65 lakhs in Indian currency. However, importing such
a car through the private import route costs significantly higher thanks to
the hefty import duties involved.

Effectively, we’re looking at a price of about Rs. 1.5 crores for this car
when imported privately into India. The Tesla Model X 100D is said to be
bought by someone in Mumbai, and will soon be sporting MH plates, which
means that it will be registered as a private car in India. Stay tuned for
more pictures of this car on Indian streets.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Kiwi.nz-made Electric rubbish/recycling trucks r:160km

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First New Zealand-made electric rubbish trucks about to hit Palmerston North
10/08/2018  Janika ter Ellen

[video  flash]

The first New Zealand-made electric trucks are about to hit the streets of
Palmerston North.

The city council has bought two trucks for rubbish and recycling collection,
marking the start of the council's plan to convert its entire vehicle fleet
to electric.  

"These are the first that are fully constructed in New Zealand. Usually up
till now they've been conversions from existing diesel trucks," Paul
Compton, Palmerston North City Council logistics and support manager, told
Newshub.

The recycling and rubbish trucks replace two old diesel ones and will
prevent 30 tonnes of carbon from being released into our air every year -
about the same impact as taking eight cars off the road.

They can travel surprisingly far on one charge, around 160 to 180
kilometres.

The two trucks cost $736,000, which is about the same as the old diesel ones
over seven years. Just under half that price was covered by the Energy
Efficiency and Conservation Authority (EECA), which has cash grants to give
new projects like this.

CEO Andrew Caseley said New Zealand is headed for a major rush toward
electric in about five years' time. Currently there are just under 10,000
electric vehicles on our roads.

"I believe that the growth will be exponential. It will look almost
vertical," he told Newshub.

It's pretty steep already, with the number on our roads doubled in the last
year.
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Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

[Lee Hart via EV]

John Lussmyer via EV wrote:

On Fri Aug 17 08:33:16 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:

I have been considering renting or leasing my battery balancers. That
might satisfy those that don't want to spend any money or make one
themselves. But I tried it once; and it took 6 months to get it back. :-/


Require a deposit to be refunded when returned ON TIME.  (prorate refund for 
late returns)


That would work for a cheap tool; like if I was renting a multimeter. 
But not for big-ticket items. People won't pay a deposit that would 
cover the cost if they didn't return it.


Big outfits (like car rental companies, etc.) can rent expensive things 
for low deposits because they can do enough credit checks, and lock up 
your credit card etc. so if you don't return the car, they can STILL get 
you. I don't have that option.


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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

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On 17 Aug 2018 at 13:20, Doug Weathers via EV wrote:

> They sell
> a 12v 10Ah battery for $20 and two 12v batteries (Ah not listed) wired in
> parallel for $30.

That's pretty darn cheap for lead, and unheard-of for lithium.  Are they 
making it up on the shipping?  Or are those amp-hours "theoretical" amp-
hours? What's going on here?

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[EVDL] Tesla privatization plans subpoenaed by SEC

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https://kval.com/news/auto-matters/report-sec-subpoenas-tesla-about-ceos-buyout-plans
Report: SEC subpoenas Tesla about CEO's buyout plans
August 16th 2018  Associated Press

[shares  
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Elon Musk @elonmusk
Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured.
11:48 AM - Aug 7, 2018 

https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1028990114267987968
Tesla @Tesla
Update on Taking Tesla
Privatehttps://www.tesla.com/blog/update-taking-tesla-private?redirect=no …
8:02 AM - Aug 13, 2018 
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Tesla Model S Grille (Image courtesy of Tesla Inc.)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Government regulators have subpoenaed Tesla as they dig
deeper into CEO Elon Musk's recent disclosure about a potential buyout of
the electric car maker, according to media reports.

The subpoena from the Securities and Exchange Commission demands information
from each of Tesla's nine directors, according to a story published
Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal [
https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-sends-subpoena-to-tesla-in-probe-over-musk-tweets-1534366752?shareToken=ste2e42039b70e4e049eab5e47f68586d7=article_email_share
]. The newspaper cited an unidentified person familiar with the matter after
Fox Business News reported the SEC's move.

Both Tesla and the SEC declined to comment Wednesday.

The SEC opened an inquiry shortly after Musk surprised investors with an
August 7 tweet [
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776
] revealing that he had lined up the financing to buy all the Tesla stock
from shareholders willing to sell.

The subpoena signals regulators have now opened a formal investigation into
whether Musk was telling the truth in his tweet about have financing locked
up for a deal that analysts have estimated would require $25 billion to $50
billion.

Under a scenario sketched out by Musk in a Monday blog post [
https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-taking-tesla-private
], the deal would cost at the lower end of those estimates. Musk also
revealed in the same post that he had been talking to Saudi Arabia's
sovereign wealth fund about providing the money for a buyout that would end
Tesla's eight-year history as a publicly held company, but he added that the
financing was still contingent on due diligence.

Corporate governance experts say that caveat shows the financing of the deal
isn't finalized, as Musk initially indicated, a contradiction that could be
used to prove he deliberately misled investors with his tweet.

After Musk dropped his bombshell, Tesla's stock surged 11 percent in one
day, damaging a class of investors who had been betting the company's shares
would decline. Musk has had a long-running battle with that group of
investors, who are known as "short sellers" in Wall Street's parlance.

Tesla's stock has backtracked since that one-day pop last week, but at least
two lawsuits have been filed against the company on behalf of shareholders
alleging Musk broke the law with his tweet, and now the SEC is taking a
closer look too.

Meanwhile, Tesla's board has formed a three-person committee to assess a
potential buyout by Musk while leaving the door open for other offers, too.
The independence of one director on Tesla's buyout committee, Brad Buss, has
been questioned by two shareholder advisory firms.
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EVLN: HMC Super Cub motorbike reborn> DIY EV Cub kit (v)
Iconic Honda Super Cub is back, and this time it's electric!
Aug 8, 2018 Until now, that is, as the Super Cub is finally being reborn as
an EV. ... convert their own Super Cub at home and build a custom DIY EV Cub
... (eCub2 ts:48kph)
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Aug 7, 2018  Delhi Metro Rail Corporation has launched electric rickshaw
service in Dwarka. Set to offer last mile connectivity to commuters, these
e-rickshaws services are from 8 metro stations in the Dwarka Sector – 14,
13, 12, 11, 10, 9 and 8, from 6 am to 11 pm. A charging station for 100
electric vehicles has also been set up by SmartE. The e-rickshaws which
offer last mile connectivity within an area of 3-4 kms around the Metro
stations have fares which have been kept at nominal rates of INR 10 for the
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[EVDL] EVLN: HMC Super Cub motorbike reborn> DIY EV Cub kit (v)

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Iconic Honda Super Cub is back, and this time it’s electric!
Aug. 8th 2018  Micah Toll

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The Honda Super Cub is a legendary retro-styled motorbike that has been in
continuous production since 1958. With over 100 million units sold, it holds
the record for being the most produced motor vehicle in history.

For all of its strengths however, the little retro scooter has one major
downside: its internal combustion engine. Sure, it’s a gas sipper instead of
guzzler, but it’s gas nonetheless. Until now, that is, as the Super Cub is
finally being reborn as an EV.

Honda has been teasing us with its own plans to roll out a factory produced
EV version of their best selling motorbike. They unveiled an impressive
looking EV-Cub concept at the 2009 Tokyo motor show with production planned
for 2010. However, in true Honda EV style, the year came and went without
any new mention. Then in 2016 the company again promised that the EV-Cub
would become a reality, indicating production would take just two more
years.

Well, it’s 2018 now and they don’t seem much closer. To be fair, Honda has
announced some pretty cool EV concepts recently, but the company has a
history of underwhelming achievements on the EV front (what ever happened to
the Fit EV?!)

But one company isn’t waiting for Honda, and has instead begun producing
electric versions of the current gas-powered Honda Super Cubs.

To build the eCubs, the company starts with a stock Honda Super Cub and then
goes to work on it, gutting the engine and gas tank to replace them with a
1,000 watt rear wheel electric hub motor.

The extra room where the engine used to reside now leaves space for a
Panasonic Li-ion battery to slide in under the seat. The battery is
removable so that it can be taken inside to charge while the motorbike
remains parked outside. It’s a small vehicle, but not
roll-it-into-your-apartment small.

Shanghai Customs began producing their own eCubs two years ago, which
originally came with a 2,000 W motor and could reach speeds of up to 80 km/h
(50 mph). They have recently announced a second platform known as the eCub2,
which is designed more for city riding and commuting with tamers specs.

The eCub2 eschews an instrument panel and instead includes a mount for your
smartphone, allowing you to view all of the relevant riding data directly on
your screen. And you won’t find many electrical wires on the E-Cub2. The
wiring is all run internally to avoid ruining the cool retro styling of the
vehicle.

The eCub2’s range is 40 km (25 mi) at 45 km/h (28 mph) with a standard 80 kg
(176 lb) rider. While that’s nowhere near the range of more conventional
electric commuters such as the Zero electric motorcycle, it’s likely enough
for most city commutes.

For those that already own a Honda Super Cub (that would be millions of
people, presumably), Shanghai Customs doesn’t want you to have to throw it
out just to upgrade to electric drive. They’ve produced a conversion kit
that will allow anyone to convert their own Super Cub at home and build a
custom DIY EV Cub.

The company is mostly targeting their domestic market, where government
regulations cracking down on pollution have made it difficult to own a
motorcycle in cities. You can still do it, but it can cost over $60,000 for
a license plate. Compare that to an electric motorcycle, which costs less
than $10 to title and plate. With such strong government incentives towards
two-wheeled EVs, there should be a large market for E-Cubs for years to
come.

Electrek’s Take

We’ve been seeing an interesting mix of retro and vintage electric bicycles
and scooters lately, from the 36 mph (58 km/h) Vintage Cycles’ Scrambler S
to the 30 mph (48 km/h) ONYX CTY.

In my opinion, these e-bikes and e-scooters are helping to expand the
audience of two-wheeled EVs by offering interesting designs that are a far
cry from the cookie cutter budget e-bikes found pretty much everywhere these
days.

Though the eCub2 is a bit slower at around 28-30 mph (45-48 km/h), I still
believe it has great potential for city commuters – one of the largest
markets for these types of e-scooters. City speeds rarely reach faster than
30 mph (48 km/h) anyways, so I’d definitely ride one to 

[EVDL] EVLN: (Spied)> BMW G20 3 Series EV

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://paultan.org/2018/08/10/spyshots-g20-bmw-3-series-all-electric-version/
SPYSHOTS: G20 BMW 3 Series – all-electric version
10 August 2018  Gerard Lye

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Our spy photographers have provided more photos of the upcoming G20 BMW 3
Series, this time giving us our first look at an all-electric variant. The
battery-powered 3 Series will be part of BMW Group’s electrified portfolio
with other models like the iX3 and the MINI Cooper EV.

Visually, the test mule doesn’t differ all that much from a previous
sighting of a non-M Sport prototype, with the headlamps, bottom fogs and
taillights all on show. The car still features quite a lot of camouflage on
it but the ‘Electric Test Vehicle’ tags on the body gives away plenty.

Those rear ‘exhaust outlets’ you see are merely decorative pieces as our
spies pointed out, serving no real purpose. They added that a Tesla Model 3
was also part of the testing convoy although it wasn’t seen together with
the wrapped mule.

Unsurprisingly, the Model 3 will be one of the 3 Series EV’s rivals, along
with an EQ sedan from Mercedes-Benz in the future. Electric mobility is part
of BMW’s Number One > Next strategy, where it plans to offer 25 models with
electrified drive systems by 2025.

The 3 Series EV will sport the brand’s next-generation electric powertrains
that feature a more compact drive unit as well as being modular and scalable
for use in a number of models. This avoids the need for custom platforms as
was the case with the i3 [EV] and i8 [pih].
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[EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv before it flames (v)

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Mother whisks kids out of toy vehicle just before it bursts into flames
August 16th 2018  

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BOSTON (WBZ/CNN) - A Massachusetts mother saved her children's lives after
rushing to pull them out of a toy car moments before it went up in flames.

The fire consumed a child's toy electric vehicle. Just moments before
Michelle Kline’s two kids were in it.

"I think that was the really scary thing because they were buckled in and
they are both little so neither of them could have gotten themselves out,”
Kline said.

Fortunately, Kline was feet away as her kids started driving up the small
hill in her neighbor's yard.

"It was just kind of that hot electrical smell and I saw some smoke coming
out of the little hood,” she said.

She rushed over and got her 16-month-old and 3-year-old out of the vehicle.

She said within two minutes the toy was charred.

The Klines recently bought the $500 “Sportrax Awesome XL Model” as a
birthday present.

Kline said the manufacturer wouldn't talk with them, but did talk with the
fire inspector.

"They did say to the fire inspector that they did put in a lot of failsafes
into the car to sort of protect people from this happening, which is again,
part of the reason why we did purchase this car,” she said.

North Andover Fire Chief Bill McCarthy said it appears the fire started
where the batteries are located. But it's hard to tell because there's not
much left.

Concerned about this happening to other children, the department notified
the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the fire marshal, the distributor
and the manufacturer.

"Just to see if this is an isolated incident with this one particular
vehicle or is it a potential issue that it's happened somewhere else,”
McCarthy said.

The Kline kids, meanwhile, are OK.

"Last night when he was going to bed, he said good night to his jeep on the
front lawn,” Michelle Kline said.

They are now relegated to playing with the old school pedal bike.
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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[Doug Weathers via EV]

(Hi everyone, I'm back to the EVDL after some years away. More on that later.)

That wasn't a Powerwheels, it was something else. 

The CBS News page that Bruce linked to says it was a "SPORTrax Awesome XL" and 
it cost $500.

Here's an Amazon page, which appears to match the vehicle in the video:

http://a.co/7DlP5v5

That leads to the manufacturer, which is Rolling Hills Trading:

https://www.rollinghillstrading.com/shop/sportrax-cars

Here's an assembly video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkNQiPTQsFg

Note that it has a motor on each wheel and has a wireless remote control that 
can steer the front wheels electrically. The Amazon page also lists that it 
includes an MP3 player. Clearly it's got some fancy electronics in there. It's 
a big RC car.

I wasn't able to turn up anything about the batteries besides the info that it 
contains two 12v batteries. The manufacturer's website no longer has that 
particular car listed, but it does sell parts, including batteries. They sell a 
12v 10Ah battery for $20 and two 12v batteries (Ah not listed) wired in 
parallel for $30. Not sure if these were what was in this car, and I can't find 
chemistry information.

The article says they were driving up a hill, which the pictures support. 
That'll heat things up some, which could be an ignition source.

That fire doesn't look like anything to do with lead acid batteries. There was 
some serious fuel burning there, and I agree with Lee - it didn't look like 
fire-retardant plastic. Could it be lithium?  What does 20Ah of lithium look 
like when it burns? Was the car made out of flammable plastic? 

Lithium or lead, this is not the sort of thing you'd expect from a 
properly-designed kid's toy.

Did the kids fill it up with gasoline before driving, like their parents always 
do? 



> On Aug 17, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> paul dove wrote:
>> Any electrical system can burn up. All you need it to short the battery if 
>> there is no fuse or you bypass the fuse then the wire becomes the fuse and 
>> can easily catch plastic on fire
> 
> I agree... but not like that! Something was fueling that fire. Something not 
> normally in a Powerwheels Jeep.
> 
> Unless they've changed something very recently, the Powerwheels battery 
> already contain a fuse. There is nothing under the hood except the battery 
> itself. The "controller" is just a pair of switches under the central 
> "gearshift" lever. In back, there is a motor in each rear wheel. That's it.
> 
> The body is plastic with a flame retardant. It can burn, but goes out if 
> something isn't maintaining the fire. When it burns, it melts into a gooey 
> mess that smoulders, turns black, bubbles, and releases lots of black smoke.
> 
> Maybe this is some other brand? Or a cheap knock-off?
> 
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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[Lee Hart via EV]

Roger Stockton via EV wrote:

In the article it is said to be a "SPORTrax Awesome XL", which does
not appear to be a Powerwheels product.

It is described as 4WD, and is remote controllable (for parental
override) as well as the normal occupant-controllable.

Perhaps most importantly, it requires 2 12-volt batteries (12V 10Ah
per the product description; Powerwheels use a pair of 6-volt), and
the batteries do *not* appear to be included!  So, it is entirely
possible that the buyer of this toy installed inappropriate
batteries:




Ah; thanks Roger! It clearly is NOT a Powerwheels product. "Awesome XL" 
appears to be the manufacturer.


It will be interesting to see more info on this story.

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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[Roger Stockton via EV]

> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
> Sent: August-16-18 9:51 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
> Cc: Lee Hart 
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before
> it flames
> 
> brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-andover-massachusetts-michelle-kline-
> kids-electric-toy-car-bursts-into-flames-video/
> > Mother yanks 2 children from electric toy car before it's engulfed in
> flames
> 
> There's got to be more to the story.
> 
> It looks like one of the classic "Powerwheels" jeeps that have been sold
> for 20+ years.

In the article it is said to be a "SPORTrax Awesome XL", which does not appear 
to be a Powerwheels product.

It is described as 4WD, and is remote controllable (for parental override) as 
well as the normal occupant-controllable.

Perhaps most importantly, it requires 2 12-volt batteries (12V 10Ah per the 
product description; Powerwheels use a pair of 6-volt), and the batteries do 
*not* appear to be included!  So, it is entirely possible that the buyer of 
this toy installed inappropriate batteries:



Cheers,

Roger.
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Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

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On Fri Aug 17 08:33:16 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>I have been considering renting or leasing my battery balancers. That
>might satisfy those that don't want to spend any money or make one
>themselves. But I tried it once; and it took 6 months to get it back. :-/

Require a deposit to be refunded when returned ON TIME.  (prorate refund for 
late returns)


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Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

[Lee Hart via EV]

ROBERT via EV wrote:

Lee, you may be close to a low cost solution.  I need to look at the design and 
a modification.  Thanks, Bob.


Well, it's an "open source" design . 
The complete schematics and software are all on the web. The earlier 
rev.A version would be simpler to build yourself. Also quite a number of 
people have built their own versions, with different micros, relays, 
features, etc.


The big 30 amp relays are the biggest cost item. If you don't need to 
charge/discharge at high current, you can save a lot by using smaller 
relays.


For those that find relays "out of fashion", you can use solid-state 
relays. Just be aware that they are more expensive, and have some safety 
concerns (they tend to fail SHORTED).


I have been considering renting or leasing my battery balancers. That 
might satisfy those that don't want to spend any money or make one 
themselves. But I tried it once; and it took 6 months to get it back. :-/


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Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

[ROBERT via EV]

Lee, you may be close to a low cost solution.  I need to look at the design and 
a modification.  Thanks, Bob.


From: EV  on behalf of Lee Hart via EV 

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:03 AM
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Cc: Lee Hart
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Testing batteries

ROBERT via EV wrote:
> If someone wanted to test 300 - 400 NICAD or NIMH cells for capacity, how can 
> it be done efficiently?  I do not want to take 6 months charging and 
> discharging one cell at a time.  The purpose of the testing is to match cells 
> so as to build a large battery. Any tester I can buy to speed up the process?

I use my Battery Balancer for this <http://sunrise-ev.com/balancer.htm>.
You can program it to test up to 80 cells or batteries sequentially. It
can measure voltage and current, and control a charger and load bank.
For example, have the program:

- charge each cell to a defined "full" voltage and current
- then load it with a defined load
- measure the time to a defined "empty" voltage
- record the amphours
- recharge the cell back to "full"
- step to the next cell or battery

I'm using one now to test a set of CALB cells. I only bothered to
connect one relay board, so it tests a group of 8 cells. Then I offload
the data, and re-connect it to the next batch of 8 cells.

The Balancer ins't really a commercial "turn-key" product: It's just
something I built because I couldn't find anything affordable that did
what I want. But I do have bare and assembled boards, and sell them on a
one-off basis as needed.
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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[Lee Hart via EV]

paul dove wrote:

Any electrical system can burn up. All you need it to short the battery if 
there is no fuse or you bypass the fuse then the wire becomes the fuse and can 
easily catch plastic on fire


I agree... but not like that! Something was fueling that fire. Something 
not normally in a Powerwheels Jeep.


Unless they've changed something very recently, the Powerwheels battery 
already contain a fuse. There is nothing under the hood except the 
battery itself. The "controller" is just a pair of switches under the 
central "gearshift" lever. In back, there is a motor in each rear wheel. 
That's it.


The body is plastic with a flame retardant. It can burn, but goes out if 
something isn't maintaining the fire. When it burns, it melts into a 
gooey mess that smoulders, turns black, bubbles, and releases lots of 
black smoke.


Maybe this is some other brand? Or a cheap knock-off?

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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[Paul Compton via EV]

There's a world of difference between 'self extinguishing' plastic and
non flamable. Get enough of the plastic burning in the first place and
it becomes its own ignition source.

On 17 August 2018 at 12:58, paul dove via EV  wrote:
> Any electrical system can burn up. All you need it to short the battery if 
> there is no fuse or you bypass the fuse then the wire becomes the fuse and 
> can easily catch plastic on fire
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
>>
>> brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-andover-massachusetts-michelle-kline-kids-electric-toy-car-bursts-into-flames-video/
>>> Mother yanks 2 children from electric toy car before it's engulfed in flames
>>
>> There's got to be more to the story.
>>
>> It looks like one of the classic "Powerwheels" jeeps that have been sold for 
>> 20+ years. My son had one, and so have numerous friends. I've fixed them for 
>> friends and neighbors for years.
>>
>> The last time I saw them in the stores, they were still using lead-acid 
>> batteries, which basically can't burn. I don't know of anything in these 
>> toys that would burn light that!
>>
>> I'm wondering if somone substituted some cheap substandard lithium battery 
>> pack in it?
>>
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Re: [EVDL] Mom yanks kids from e-toy-suv w/ smoking pack before it flames

[paul dove via EV]

Any electrical system can burn up. All you need it to short the battery if 
there is no fuse or you bypass the fuse then the wire becomes the fuse and can 
easily catch plastic on fire 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-andover-massachusetts-michelle-kline-kids-electric-toy-car-bursts-into-flames-video/
>> Mother yanks 2 children from electric toy car before it's engulfed in flames
> 
> There's got to be more to the story.
> 
> It looks like one of the classic "Powerwheels" jeeps that have been sold for 
> 20+ years. My son had one, and so have numerous friends. I've fixed them for 
> friends and neighbors for years.
> 
> The last time I saw them in the stores, they were still using lead-acid 
> batteries, which basically can't burn. I don't know of anything in these toys 
> that would burn light that!
> 
> I'm wondering if somone substituted some cheap substandard lithium battery 
> pack in it?
> 
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> trying to improve it. (English translation: "Microsoft"?)
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