Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?
There is an effort called Right To Repair, that is trying to get a legislative solution to some of these problems. On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 08:35 Sean Korb via EV wrote: > This will not be unique to Tesla. Toyota is using Kubernetes and > cloud applications to maintain operation of their dashboards and > entertainment systems, it makes sense that as the cost for cloud > services goes down and micro controllers costs stabilize more > predictive analytics will be used for all features of driving even > with an ICE (Maybe especially for an ICE). The business model pulls > the manufacturer in this direction as well. You no longer invest in an > object materially, you pay for the license to use an object. > > That's why I see this list as the last hope for open source and DIY > car operation. I'm hoping we can find the right balance in divorcing > a car company and its services while maintaining self-service for long > trouble-free operation. Maybe even ripping the brand labels off might > be the way to take care of this so that a company doesn't chase down > its reputation. But they will never design a car for DIY repair and > operation. > > Another angle to work on this is politics, but frankly I think > everyone is so overwhelmed the DIY movement will get little traction > for legislative and regulatory support. > > sean > > > On 9/21/18, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > Disabling a salvage Tesla in this way is criminal. The car just had > > cosmetic damage. I could understand if the pack or motive parts were > > involved. Not this. I may not buy a Tesla because of this. The Kona is > > looking good now. Lawrence Rhodes > > https://youtu.be/okLgtYgnd7A > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/17cd49d2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb spk...@spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65 Suprang,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/ff65b8e8/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?
Which models have SAE ports? The only adapter I know of is Chademo. I don't know if that adapter would be disabled in this case. I mention it because I have read that Tesla counts Chademo as a supercharging session in regard to battery usage metrics. There is another controversy that Tesla may be slowing down the charging of cars that are regularly supercharged. It is not clear to me (if the limit exists) if that is an active simply applied limit based on session count, or an algorithmic limit that is hit as the battery management system detects changes in the battery's characteristics such as temperature, internal resistance, kWh added etc. The latter case is less concerning. For the most part, aged batteries perform less well than when new. On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 10:26 paul dove via EV wrote: > Probably has a salvage title and Tesla wants 10,000 to get it back to none > salvage state. Far as I can tell all Tesla did was bar them from > Superchargers. I don’t see why it L1 charger wouldn’t work nor is there any > reason he couldn’t use a L2 charger like everyone else who doesn’t own a > Tesla and some Tesla models come with the SAE fast charge port. This story > sounds fishy to me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:48 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: > > > > Disabling a salvage Tesla in this way is criminal. The car just had > cosmetic damage. I could understand if the pack or motive parts were > involved. Not this. I may not buy a Tesla because of this. The Kona is > looking good now. Lawrence Rhodes > > https://youtu.be/okLgtYgnd7A > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/17cd49d2/attachment.html > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/a94d0693/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?
Probably has a salvage title and Tesla wants 10,000 to get it back to none salvage state. Far as I can tell all Tesla did was bar them from Superchargers. I don’t see why it L1 charger wouldn’t work nor is there any reason he couldn’t use a L2 charger like everyone else who doesn’t own a Tesla and some Tesla models come with the SAE fast charge port. This story sounds fishy to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:48 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > Disabling a salvage Tesla in this way is criminal. The car just had cosmetic > damage. I could understand if the pack or motive parts were involved. Not > this. I may not buy a Tesla because of this. The Kona is looking good now. > Lawrence Rhodes > https://youtu.be/okLgtYgnd7A > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/17cd49d2/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Has Tesla gone too far?
This will not be unique to Tesla. Toyota is using Kubernetes and cloud applications to maintain operation of their dashboards and entertainment systems, it makes sense that as the cost for cloud services goes down and micro controllers costs stabilize more predictive analytics will be used for all features of driving even with an ICE (Maybe especially for an ICE). The business model pulls the manufacturer in this direction as well. You no longer invest in an object materially, you pay for the license to use an object. That's why I see this list as the last hope for open source and DIY car operation. I'm hoping we can find the right balance in divorcing a car company and its services while maintaining self-service for long trouble-free operation. Maybe even ripping the brand labels off might be the way to take care of this so that a company doesn't chase down its reputation. But they will never design a car for DIY repair and operation. Another angle to work on this is politics, but frankly I think everyone is so overwhelmed the DIY movement will get little traction for legislative and regulatory support. sean On 9/21/18, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Disabling a salvage Tesla in this way is criminal. The car just had > cosmetic damage. I could understand if the pack or motive parts were > involved. Not this. I may not buy a Tesla because of this. The Kona is > looking good now. Lawrence Rhodes > https://youtu.be/okLgtYgnd7A > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180922/17cd49d2/attachment-0001.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Sean Korb spk...@spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65 Suprang,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
