Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
You may be right, though you aren't taking into account the other factors, most importantly the long term maintenance. However, I think the bigger factor is the amount of time you need to spend charging on a long road trip. If you only drive 200 or so miles a day, no problem. You can charge at night. But if you are like most people and drive 500+, you'll need at least two charging stops, which will add a few hours to your travel. You might be able to combine that with meal stops or point of interest stops, but I don't think the infrastructure is that opportune yet. In the future, when we have faster charging and competition on kWh pricing, I hope we'll be on the other side of the inflection point. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 22-May-19 7:06:20 AM Subject: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile Hi folks It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Www.Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
Hi folks It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Www.Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
On Wed May 22 12:12:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >On 5/22/19 3:08 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> Actually that 3 cent rate is a bait-and-switch. They give you two meters. >> And then if you take the 3 cent off-peak charging, then your house ON peak >> rate goes way up to 17 cents (from ten)... >> > >I agree that the "time of use" rate may not be a cost savings depending >upon your other loads. That's one of the rare cases where something like a Tesla Powerwall may be cost effective. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
not sure of the correlation. The Pruis Prime meets California's Ulev standards. Have a Renewable Energy Day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248-H 540-816-0812-C www.REEVAdiy.org - Community Service RE & EV's -Original Message- From: Mark Abramowitz [mailto:ma...@enviropolicy.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:30 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Hanson Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile It’s almost always cheaper to pollute. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 22, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs > a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c > per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have > shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). > At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile > in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so > battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV > but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles > local trips makes more sense. > Have a renewable energy day, > Mark > Www.Reevadiy.org > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
I did not find this to be the case in a Tesla. You can get enough charge to continue the trip in 30 minutes after that the charging rate starts to drop. I didn't find that it took me a noticeable amount of time longer than a gasoline car. Of course, I am not one of those people that stop for bathroom breaks and then right back on the road. I like to stretch my legs get something to drink or eat. We never had to wait on the car to charge, by the time we were through it was done enough to continue sometimes as little as 15 minutes and other times 30 minutes... if we eat lunch we might be 45 minutes. i few times I had to move the car to avoid idle fees because we weren't through. On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:49:19 AM CDT, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: You may be right, though you aren't taking into account the other factors, most importantly the long term maintenance. However, I think the bigger factor is the amount of time you need to spend charging on a long road trip. If you only drive 200 or so miles a day, no problem. You can charge at night. But if you are like most people and drive 500+, you'll need at least two charging stops, which will add a few hours to your travel. You might be able to combine that with meal stops or point of interest stops, but I don't think the infrastructure is that opportune yet. In the future, when we have faster charging and competition on kWh pricing, I hope we'll be on the other side of the inflection point. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 22-May-19 7:06:20 AM Subject: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile >Hi folks >It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs >a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c >per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have >shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). >At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile >in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so >battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV >but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local >trips makes more sense. >Have a renewable energy day, >Mark >Www.Reevadiy.org > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190522/3656b0ea/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
So, you don't plug your Hybrids in at all? I have heard the Prius gets relatively poor mileage until the engine warms up. During this warmup time, it gets about 35 to 40 miles per gallon. If your driving consists of purely short, say five mile, trips - you will not get 50 miles per gallon. You can also get less than 50 miles per gallon by driving very fast, over 73 miles per hour. Obviously, if you drive very aggressively the mileage will also suffer. What about a hilly area does it get 50 miles per gallon? I have a Tesla model 3 and I get on average 260Wh/mile. I drove from Alabama to New Orleans 435 miles and it cost me 38.46 on Tesla Superchargers. 8.8 cents a mile. But like others have said it is only the second long trip and I have had the car for over a year. Most of the time I charge in the garage at 10 cents a KWh. On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:06:33 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: Hi folks It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Www.Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190522/09a15caf/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LREV vs SREV
Granted you can save some money and buy a used EV with short range. I am sold on the Supercharging Network of Tesla. I got 90 miles of range in less than 10 minutes on my last trip which was enough to get me to my Hotel where I charged for free. Then next night I again charged at the hotel on 120 v which was enough to get home. So I paid a minuscule amount on that trip. Then there is the cool factor of nearly Autonomous driving. Top that off with software updates which makes the car better every few months and The Tesla is just amazing. Of course I am biased since my TM3 is my first EV. > Mark Hanson via EV wrote: >> It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius >> Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an >> average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging >> stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old >> for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c >> per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to >> pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's >> better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your >> wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local >> trips makes more sense. > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
Mark Hanson via EV wrote: It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. That's my strategy, Mark. I've been driving EVs since the 1970's, but they've all been short-range "around town" cars. I used them for all my daily driving. But I always had a gas car as well, for long trips. In 2000 we bought one of the first Prius. It became our long-distance car. At 50+ mpg and SULEV, it fit the bill nicely. Today, we have a Leaf for around-town driving, and a plug-in Prius for trips. -- If you're not stubborn, you'll give up too soon. If you're not flexible, you'll pound your head against the wall and miss a different solution. (Jeff Bezos) -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
People rarely do the math. Say they do a 660 mile trip 3 times a year and they drive the normal American 15,000 miles a year, then the trip mileage is only 13% of their total usage. Miniscule. For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the time, but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. So 87% of 3 cents and 13% of 28 cents AVERAGES to 6 cents per kWh or about 2 cents a mile Even if they pay 10 cents per kWh, then the annual average electricity cost is 12.3 cents per kWh or about 4 cents a mile. Who cares that they spend a little extra on trips when the annual average cost is so low. And for my family, daughter has a Prius Prime who's daily use is under 30 miles and my Volt for my 35 mile days. And at 87% electric, I'm still only 13% the environmental concerns of a gas car. Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 10:49 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile You may be right, though you aren't taking into account the other factors, most importantly the long term maintenance. However, I think the bigger factor is the amount of time you need to spend charging on a long road trip. If you only drive 200 or so miles a day, no problem. You can charge at night. But if you are like most people and drive 500+, you'll need at least two charging stops, which will add a few hours to your travel. You might be able to combine that with meal stops or point of interest stops, but I don't think the infrastructure is that opportune yet. In the future, when we have faster charging and competition on kWh pricing, I hope we'll be on the other side of the inflection point. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 22-May-19 7:06:20 AM Subject: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile >Hi folks >It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. >Have a renewable energy day, >Mark >Www.Reevadiy.org > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
Bob said (in part): > For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the time, > but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our > utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost > TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. Consider yourself lucky that you get that low of an off-peak rate. Ours is either 12 or 13 cents depending on Summer or Winter for the overnight TOU rate. 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20190522
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-captured-oops-Vauxhall-Corsa-e-leaked-ahead-of-2020-release-tp4693622.html
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2020 Opel Corsa leaked
May 22, 2019 The next-generation Opel Corsa has been leaked on an online
forum months ahead of scheduled debut in Frankfurt ... Given Opel pulled out
of the Australian market ...
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EVLN: Ford 'Mach-E'> Mustang-inspired crossover EV (v)
Ford 'Mach-E' electric crossover takes aim for Tesla Model Y
The new car will be the first Ford designed as an electric car from the
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A buyers’ guide to hybrids and electric vehicles
May 16, 2019 As diesel sales decline, registrations of alternatively
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Ford axes 10pc of workforce as it restructures for electric cars
May 21, 2019 Detroit | Ford ... long-awaited restructuring plan as it
prepares for a future of electric and autonomous vehicles by parting ways
with 7000 white-collar workers worldwide, about 10 per cent of its global
salaried workforce ... About 6000 blue-collar positions were cut, but most
of laid-off factory workers in the US will be placed at other plants mainly
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Your Kid’s Next High School Project Might be an Electric Car
May 17, 2019 The school administration liked the idea. He then took an EV
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May 19, 2019 As part of Drive Electric Earth Day, members of the Delaware
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[EVDL] EVLN: BAIC handbag EV on Internet-Valentine's-Day.cn r-nedc:300km
https://www.electrive.com/2019/05/22/a-small-car-or-a-big-handbag/
A small electric car or a very roomy handbag?
May 22, 2019 Carrie Hampel
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BAIC BJEV China baic-bjev-handbag
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How about an electric car made to look like a handbag? That’s what BAIC BJEV
has come up with for its launch edition EV released on China’s ‘Internet
Valentine’s Day’ on May 20. While they’ve made some questionable style
choices, other features seem rather fun.
To start with the obvious, those handbag handles on top of the roof is an
accessory you might want to get rid of sooner or later. But, as you will get
noticed in the little electric car anyway – despite it being about the same
length as a Smart – you might want to make good use of the LED displays at
the front and back that allow designing emoticons or messages for public
display. Just be careful what you say, as this future-fancy, cheap, flashy
little car with a questionable top has upgraded voice recognition.
But handbag handles aside (please!), according to Gasgoo China Automotive
News, the performance data isn’t bad either: The Lite-R300 has an electric
motor at the rear axle with a maximum output of 40kW and torque peak of 140
Nm. A 30kWh lithium battery enables an NEDC range of up to 300km. The little
electric car can charge up to 80% of its battery capacity within 30 minutes
in fast charging mode.
Admittedly also appealing, is the three futuristic, liquid crystal display
screens which make up an instrument panel, a centre console and an
entertainment screen. Customers also welcome the xenon headlights, frameless
car doors, aluminium alloy rims, panoramic roof and automotive backup camera
apparently, and indeed, the price of between 14,400 – 16,454 euros after
subsidies makes the BAIC BJEV Lite-R300 a most affordable electric car.
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Valentine's Day
May 21 , 2019
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Pakistan considers electric vehicles to fight pollution
May 18, 2019 Prime Minister Imran Khan has decided to introduce electric
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[EVDL] EVLN: Honda-e EV Reservations.uk Open> £800 deposit, co$t unknown
https://mikeshouts.com/honda-e-electric-car-reservation-opens/
Honda e Electric Vehicle Opens For Reservation In The U.K.
May 21, 2019 Mike chua
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Honda e Electric Car Reservation Opens
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Honda’s super adorable and somewhat retro-ish electric vehicle, Honda e, is
now available for reservation in the U.K. Honda U.K. has quietly launched a
reservation website where folks in U.K. can reserve the Honda e by
registering themselves on the website and putting down a £800 refundable
deposit. However, the exact availability and how much the car will
eventually cost are unknown at this point. It feels like Honda isn’t ready
to generate more buzz yet.
According to InsideEVs, the Japanese automaker said that “through the end of
the year, it will send invitations to customers to place orders.” Again,
“through the end of the year” is kind of vague and so, there is no way of
guessing when it will be. One interesting bit, though, the reservation
website actually allows you to choose from five available colors.
But really, that’s about all the website has to offer as far as insight into
the car. Whether or not the car will look exactly as the prototype revealed
earlier this year is not clear. Having said that, the details remain as
obscure as when it made its appearance in February. All we know is it will
provide a range of over 200 kilometers (124 miles) and the battery cells
supplied by Panasonic will support “fast charging” that will take it to 80
percent charge in 30 minutes.
Honda e is a rear-wheel drive vehicle, btw, which is awesome. However, not
sure if there will be an all-wheel drive variety in future.
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May 17, 2019 ... specs: over 200 km (125 miles) of range in an undisclosed
test cycle, battery cells supplied by Panasonic, rear-wheel drive, fast
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Apple Car Development Forges Ahead 6 Years After Failing to Aquire Tesla
May 21, 2019 It’s easy to think of the Apple Car as a quirky “side project”
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20190523
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-BAIC-handbag-EV-on-Internet-Valentine-s-Day-cn-r-nedc-300km-tp4693625.html
EVLN: BAIC handbag EV on Internet-Valentine's-Day.cn r-nedc:300km
A small electric car or a very roomy handbag?
www.electrive.com-10 hours ago
How about an electric car made to look like a handbag? That's what BAIC BJEV
has come up with for its launch edition EV released on China's 'Internet ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Honda-e-EV-Reservations-uk-Open-800-deposit-co-t-unknown-tp4693626.html
EVLN: Honda-e EV Reservations.uk Open> £800 deposit, co$t unknown
Honda e Electric Vehicle Opens For Reservation In The U.K.
May 21, 2019 ... Honda’s super adorable and somewhat retro-ish electric
vehicle, Honda e, is now available for reservation in the U.K. Honda U.K.
... £800 refundable deposit ...
https://reserve.honda.co.uk/en/reservation
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https://www.gulftoday.ae/news/2019/05/18/pakistan-considers-electric-vehicles-to-fight-pollution
Pakistan considers electric vehicles to fight pollution
May 18, 2019 Prime Minister Imran Khan has decided to introduce electric
cars by setting up car ... of 30 per cent of all cars running in Pakistan
into electric vehicles by 2030 ...
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https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-car-development-forges-ahead-6-years-after-failing-to-aquire-tesla/106825/
Apple Car Development Forges Ahead 6 Years After Failing to Aquire Tesla
May 21, 2019 It’s easy to think of the Apple Car as a quirky “side project”
for the Cupertino tech giant – but for Apple, its so-called ...
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(Martha's Vineyard electricians install EVSE around MA Island)
https://www.mvtimes.com/2019/05/08/the-electricians/
The electricians
2019/05/08 ... we work directly with Tesla motors to install chargers all
around the Island. The electric cars are definitely becoming more prevalent,
and as more people drive Teslas ...
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EV-take-over> fierce speculation
Researchers have no idea when electric cars are going to take over
May 18, 2019 The only thing sure about electric cars is they will eclipse
the internal combustion engine—one day. The timing, however, is ... fierce
and wildly divergent speculation ...
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[EVDL] EVent: NVEnergy 11 EV test drives 5/25 9a-3p Las Vegas-NV (v)
https://www.ktnv.com/positivelylv/test-drive-an-electric-car-this-weekend-in-las-vegas
Test drive an electric car this weekend in Las Vegas
May 22, 2019 Joyce Lupiani
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By: Joyce Lupiani NVEnergy is offering people interested in electric cars
the opportunity to test drive one this weekend.
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NVEnergy is offering people interested in electric cars the opportunity to
test drive one this weekend.
With the price of gas going up, NVEnergy is hoping that more people will
make the decision to switch to an electric car.
Not only do the cars cut down on carbon emissions but they also save drivers
money.
11 different models will be available to test drive May 25 at NVEnergy's
main office from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m [map
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If you are interested, you need to register online at [
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Panasonic Enters Electric Vehicle Segment — Launches Charging Service For
EVs
May 16, 2019 Japanese consumer electronics manufacturer Panasonic launched
its Electric Vehicle charging service, Nymbus, on Wednesday. It has
partnered with electric ...
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[EVDL] EVent: Electrify America(vw) 11th Intnl CCS Symposium 5/16-17 @Reston-VI
https://insideevs.com/news/350784/electrify-america-charging-symposium/ Electrify America Hosts International CCS EV Charging Symposium May 22, 2019 Tom Moloughney [EVangel https://www.google.com/search?q=Tom+Moloughney+electric ] [images https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/3X4Z1/s3/electrify-america.jpg https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/r0AgY/s1/electrify-america-ccs-symposium.jpg Electrify America CCS Symposium https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/6JEgX/s1/electrify-america-ccs-symposium.jpg Electrify America CCS Symposium Cliff Fietzek, Director of Technology for Electrify America, takes part in the CCS testing symposium at Electrify America's Center of Excellence laboratory https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Yy6nv/s1/electrify-america-ccs-symposium.jpg ] Just a few weeks after hosting the press for their "Charge Forward" technology workshop, Electrify America played host again, this time for the 2019 Combined Charging System Testing Symposium. More than 200 engineers and technical experts from global automakers, charging equipment manufacturers, charging networks and related companies gathered at Electrify America's Center of Excellence laboratory to test the next-generation technologies for electric vehicle charging. Several global automakers tested vehicles at the symposium including Audi, Fiat Chrysler, Karma Automotive and BMW of North America. BMW even brought pre-production versions of their yet-to-be-released MINI Electric and BMW iX3 for testing. “As a leader in the development of EV infrastructure, Electrify America was excited to host industry game-changers as we work to set an international standard for EV charging technology,” said Cliff Fietzek, director of technology of Electrify America. “Electrify America recognizes the impact of this technology on the future of electric vehicle charging, specifically in creating customer convenience and encouraging EV adoption.” While the symposium was held at Electrify America's headquarters in Reston, Virginia, it was co-hosted by Hubject, and supported by CharIN. The participants came together to test conformance and interoperability for electric vehicles and the supporting charging infrastructure. The goal for the 11th International Testing Symposium was to facilitate cooperation between international automakers implementing the non-proprietary Combined Charging System (CCS). Attendees also shared information, research, best practices and data in an effort to help accelerate the implementation of ISO 15188, commonly known as Plug & Charge technology. Plug & Charge allows the charging station to automatically authenticate the vehicle, like Tesla Superchargers do. The owner simply plugs in the vehicle - that's all. There's no need for a credit card, or RFID card to swipe. The owner's account is automatically billed for the charging session. Electrify America has already announced that they will begin implementing Plug & Charge technology by the end of this year. -press release- Electrify America Hosts International Testing Symposium for Combined Charging System Global automakers, charging equipment manufacturers gathered at Electrify America Center of Excellence laboratory to test next-generation technologies for electric vehicle charging Reston, VA (May 21, 2019) – Electrify America’s Center of Excellence technology laboratory provided the setting on May 16-17 for the 11th International Testing Symposium for the Combined Charging System, bringing together more than 200 engineers and technical experts from global automakers, charging equipment manufacturers, charging networks and related companies to test the next-generation technologies for electric vehicle charging. Several global automakers tested vehicles at the symposium including: Audi; BMW of North America (tested Mini Electric and iX3 pre-production cars); Fiat Chrysler Automobiles; and Karma Automotive. The symposium, hosted by Electrify America, co-hosted by Hubject and supported by CharIN, brought together international technical experts to test conformance and interoperability for electric vehicles (EVs) and charging infrastructure. The goal for the 11th International Testing Symposium was to facilitate cooperation between international automakers implementing the non-proprietary Combined Charging System (CCS), which is the most widely used standard for EV charging globally. “As a leader in the development of EV infrastructure, Electrify America was excited to host industry game-changers as we work to set an international standard for EV charging technology,” said Cliff Fietzek, director of technology of Electrify America. “Electrify America recognizes the impact of this technology on the future of electric vehicle charging, specifically in creating customer convenience and encouraging EV adoption.” Over the course of the two-day event, attendees shared information, research, best practices and data to advance the implementation of ISO 15118, a protocol that
[EVDL] PS, at Home free solar charging: Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
PS: At home I forgot to mention I have a 10KW solar array so charging is free (installed in 08' with a 7 year payback). I also have two free solar charging stations on plugshare.com for anyone in the Roanoke, VA or Fincastle area. -Original Message- From: Mark E Hanson [mailto:markehans...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:02 PM To: 'Mark Abramowitz'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' Subject: RE: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile not sure of the correlation. The Pruis Prime meets California's Ulev standards. Have a Renewable Energy Day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248-H 540-816-0812-C www.REEVAdiy.org - Community Service RE & EV's -Original Message- From: Mark Abramowitz [mailto:ma...@enviropolicy.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:30 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Hanson Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile It’s almost always cheaper to pollute. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 22, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs > a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c > per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have > shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). > At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile > in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so > battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV > but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles > local trips makes more sense. > Have a renewable energy day, > Mark > Www.Reevadiy.org > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plug-in vs. EV cost per mile
Hi Paul, The Prius & Prius Prime gets 50mpg (for the last 165K miles avg). Is 260W/hr per mile or 3.85 miles per KWH at the AC outlet? Sounds about right for a Tesla-3, a bit heavier than a 2800 Spark (I get 5 miles per KWH or 200W/hr per mile, the heavier Leaf is 4.3 miles per KWH or 232W/hr per mile but that's on the DC car gauge). You have to measure your watt hours used at the AC outlet, quite a bit more after charging-inverter/battery inefficiencies. Have a Renewable Energy Day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248-H 540-816-0812-C www.REEVAdiy.org - Community Service RE & EV's From: paul dove [mailto:dov...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:40 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Mark Hanson Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile So, you don't plug your Hybrids in at all? I have heard the Prius gets relatively poor mileage until the engine warms up. During this warmup time, it gets about 35 to 40 miles per gallon. If your driving consists of purely short, say five mile, trips - you will not get 50 miles per gallon. You can also get less than 50 miles per gallon by driving very fast, over 73 miles per hour. Obviously, if you drive very aggressively the mileage will also suffer. What about a hilly area does it get 50 miles per gallon? I have a Tesla model 3 and I get on average 260Wh/mile. I drove from Alabama to New Orleans 435 miles and it cost me 38.46 on Tesla Superchargers. 8.8 cents a mile. But like others have said it is only the second long trip and I have had the car for over a year. Most of the time I charge in the garage at 10 cents a KWh. On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:06:33 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: Hi folks It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Www.Reevadiy.org Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190522/7c21f5e9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Ford 'Mach-E'> Mustang-inspired crossover EV (v)
https://www.msn.com/en-za/autos/news/ford-mach-e-electric-crossover-takes-aim-for-tesla-model-y/ar-AABFeog
Ford 'Mach-E' electric crossover takes aim for Tesla Model Y
May 20, 2019 Lawrence Allan
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Ford Ranger Raptor review | Driving Ford's performance pickup | Autocar
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Ford is poised to reveal what could be its most crucial (and controversial)
model yet: an all-electric, Mustang-inspired crossover.
Due to go on sale in 2020, a concept will be unveiled later this year and
the brand claims it will transfer the spirit of the iconic pony car into a
truly 21st century Tesla Model Y rival.
Imagined by Autocar (above) the new model has yet to be officially named,
although Ford has reportedly ditched the originally floated ‘Mach 1’ tag
because of strong public opinion against the use of the branding
historically reserved for Mustangs. However, the Blue Oval recently applied
to trademark the ‘Mach-E’ nameplate, which seems a perfect fit, given the
car’s brief.
The new car will be the first Ford designed as an electric car from the
ground up, with a bespoke new platform enabling both rear and four-wheel
drive. It will crown the brand’s wide-reaching electrification plan under
which European customers will be offered a hybrid, plug-in hybrid or fully
electric version of every new model launched.
The only technical detail Ford has officially revealed is the car’s range:
it will be capable of 370 miles of WLTP-certified range on a single charge,
beating the Tesla Model X (351 miles) and Jaguar I-Pace (292 miles). A less
expensive version with less battery capacity and range is also expected.
a black and red car © Provided by Haymarket Media Group
Ford claims charging will be “effortless” and it is “redesigning the
ownership experience to ensure it addresses customer pain points that
currently hold back broad [electric car] adoption”. The car’s performance
remains undisclosed, although chairman Bill Ford has previously claimed it
“is going to go like hell”.
At a Bank of America summit last month, a Ford presentation showed that it
would offer a higher-performance variant of the electric crossover,
targeting the more accelerative versions of Tesla’s EVs. Although it is not
officially confirmed, reports suggest Ford will reveal the car’s name along
with the concept before the year is out.
Like many of Ford’s recent models, it’ll be a globally engineered vehicle
with few changes between regions. UK deliveries are tipped to start in
late-2020. It’s not the only EV in Ford’s product plan, because the
Michigan-based maker is also working on a more affordable electric
crossover. Codenamed CX430, it will be based on the latest
Focus platform and be similar to the Kuga. The CX430 has been in Ford’s
product plan for several years.
The long-awaited push into electrification comes after news that Ford will
be dropping former best-sellers from its US line-up: the Taurus, Fusion and
Focus, alongside the Fiesta. Ford’s supermini never found huge popularity in
the US, but the momentous decision to end Ford’s 110-year presence in the US
passenger saloon market sent a clear signal that profitability, not
diversity, is the new focus for the brand.
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Ford axes 10pc of workforce as it restructures for electric cars
May 21, 2019 Detroit | Ford ... long-awaited restructuring plan as it
prepares for a future of electric and autonomous vehicles by parting ways
with 7000 white-collar workers worldwide, about 10 per cent of its global
salaried workforce ... About 6000 blue-collar positions were cut, but most
of laid-off factory workers in the US will be placed at other plants mainly
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https://www.caradvice.com.au/758377/2020-opel-corsa-leaked/
2020 Opel Corsa leaked
May 22, 2019 James Wong
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All-new hatchback surfaces online in EV form months ahead of scheduled debut
in Frankfurt.
The next-generation Opel Corsa has been leaked on an online forum, ahead of
its official reveal slated for later this year.
Posted to French forum WorldScoop, the revealing images were allegedly
posted to a news website by accident and taken down, though that didn't stop
one user from saving hi-res files and publishing them.
The eye-catching orange vehicle you see pictured is the electric model,
which appears to be dubbed 'Corsa-e'. This model is the first EV from the
Opel and Vauxhall brands, and shares its underpinnings with the new Peugeot
e-208.
Like the EV variant, the wider Corsa range also makes the switch to PSA's
CMP scalable architecture for compact models, which already underpins the
likes of the new Peugeot 208 and the DS 3 Crossback.
The new underpinnings not only allow for electrified powertrains, but also
are a lot lighter (the Corsa is apparently around 100kg lighter than before)
which should translate to notable improvements in fuel efficiency.
From the outset the Corsa looks a lot wider and lower than the current
model, doing away with the tall and skinny proportions that were so common
across previous-generation light hatchbacks.
Up front is a new interpretation of Opel's corporate face, with diamond-like
motifs in the front grille and intake, along with sharper headlights for a
more upmarket and aggressive look.
Speaking of the headlights, the company's 'IntelliLux' Matrix LED technology
will be available for the first time, also a first for the segment.
The rear offers a clean and curvy look that is somewhat generic, though the
LED tail-lights of the vehicle in the images are consistent with Opel's
'hook' light signature at the front.
The cabin looks to be a pretty decent step up compared to the outgoing
model, with a completely digital instrument cluster and large central
touchscreen dominating the dashboard of this EV variant.
It appears the Corsa has ditched the MyLink interface developed by previous
parent General Motors (GM) and employed PSA software – which makes sense
given the change in ownership.
We can also see the PSA shift-by-wire lever that is fairly ubiquitous across
the Citroen and Peugeot brands, though the steering wheel and dashboard
designs stay largely true to Opels of old.
According to the forum post, the Corsa has also grown about 40mm in length
and 18mm in width, which should afford noticeably more space for passengers
and cargo – the boot is said to measure around 309L now, which is up around
25L compared to the old model.
In terms of available powertrains, we'd say the Corsa-e will feature the
same 100kW electric motor hooked up to a 50kWh lithium-ion battery pack as
the e-208. The Peugeot's 340km range claim should serve as a guide, too ...
Australia
Given Opel pulled out of the Australian market a couple of years ago, it's
unlikely we'll see the Corsa in local showrooms anytime soon.
Currently, the Opel Astra and Insignia are available Down Under badged as
Holdens, though the recent acquisition of both Opel and Vauxhall by the PSA
Group from General Motors means the Australian lion brand won't be getting
any more Opel products in future given its GM ownership.
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Pure-electric Vauxhall Corsa-e leaked ahead of 2020 release
May 22, 2019 Best electric cars on sale 2019. PSA has said aims to reduce
the number of platforms used by Vauxhall and European sister brand Opel from
the current nine to ...
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A buyers’ guide to hybrids and electric vehicles
May 16, 2019 As diesel sales decline, registrations of alternatively
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Actually that 3 cent rate is a bait-and-switch. They give you two meters. And then if you take the 3 cent off-peak charging, then your house ON peak rate goes way up to 17 cents (from ten)... Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of jim--- via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: j...@k6ccc.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average) Bob said (in part): > For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the > time, but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our > utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost > TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. Consider yourself lucky that you get that low of an off-peak rate. Ours is either 12 or 13 cents depending on Summer or Winter for the overnight TOU rate. 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
It’s almost always cheaper to pollute. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 22, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs > a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c > per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have > shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). > At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile > in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so > battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV > but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles > local trips makes more sense. > Have a renewable energy day, > Mark > Www.Reevadiy.org > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile
I think you would also have to put in the cost of maintenance, smog testing, oil changes, insurance...etc. Then you would get the real cost. I suspect the cost with incentives the Tesla and Prime would be very close depending on model. A stripped Prius Prime would be mid 20k. Tesla High 20k. However those are just guesses. Maybe members could chime in with their msrp numbers. In day to day use the Tesla would far outstrip the Prius. I think the question is how many times would you go on long car trips. Lawrence Rhodes From: Mark Hanson To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile Message-ID: <5ec66bb6-649f-40cc-a9ad-197feb16e...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Www.Reevadiy.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190522/fc789ad8/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
