Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I believe john walland does the quarter in less than ten in his electric Mazda. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2015, at 2:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://ecomento.com/2015/05/07/enfield-electric-1975-1000-horsepower-car/ Meet the 1000 horsepower 1975 Enfield

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
A good run in a Tesla Model S P85 should be about 12.4 seconds. A good run in a P85D should be about 11.7 seconds. http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/tesla-0-60-mph-times/ Mike Later in the weekend, the team turned up the wick and the car sprinted through the quarter mile in 12.56

[EVDL] Real-time pictures of lithium cell battery failures

2015-05-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Researchers used real-time x-ray and thermal imaging cameras to watch inside a laptop cell during failures. Not much technical data in this for the public report, but there are some interesting pictures and video.

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
It is actually 14.4 kWh from 110V/12A. Most people have 15A circuits and shouldn't draw more than 12A. When I first got my Tesla, I was charging on 110V and having some trouble keeping up. My normal commute is 50 miles round trip, plus side trips. The Tesla has about 250-300 wh per mile.

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
The assumption of what nearly everyone needs in a day is based on averages, right? Averages are built from data ranging from minimums to maximums. But real range needs are based on maximums. So it would be erroneous to assume that averages define the actual range needs of most people.

Re: [EVDL] SolaRoad cycle path electricity yield exceeds expectations

2015-05-13 Thread Cal Frye via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
Good points about the importance of low weight and improved CD, Lawrence. If the Tesla Model 3 can be more efficient than the Model S, that would help get the price down from Model S levels while still maintaining their desired range. Carrying fewer batteries would help further with the

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] SolaRoad cycle path electricity yield exceeds expectations

2015-05-13 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
State opf Maryland study came up with only 0.3% of the need is fast charging. This was from a total indepth DOT transportation and counting of vehicle statistics on all roads in the state. BOb -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
Charging associated with hotels seems like a good idea for road trips. For day-to-day local use, do you primarily drive an EV where you use L1 charging at home or are you talking theoretically? I'm coming from a perspective of practical experience with an electric car as our main vehicle.

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, on the subject of L1 chargers being good enough for nearly everybody and L2 being overkill, I would ask based on what data? Sorry...I had in mind overnight home charging, with the assumption that the 20 kWh you get

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But real range needs are based on maximums. I'd agree with that. And I hope I'm not coming across as suggesting that in-home L1 charging is the only way that an EV would ever be charged. My point is that most people don't

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
The normal verbiage used is average and you are correct (I think) in pointing out that if a BEV is to be your only vehicle you might want to look at average plus 2 standard deviations which would cover 95% of your travels and leave only 5% needing to use public transit or a rental vehicle. In

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm coming from a perspective of practical experience with an electric car as our main vehicle. The big factor you left out is daily driving mileage. If you're putting 80 miles a day on the car, yes, L1 is probably

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
All I can tell you is that from our experience, L2 is not rapid charging, it's normal charging. Whereas when you have somewhere to go soon, L1 is punishment charging. There are places where L1 works well, for example at an airport where the car is going to sit for days. And no doubt there

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
Small, light, efficient, yes. Bring 'em on! We also live in a small town, but it's in the middle of a large metro area. Not surprisingly, with that and other considerations our driving needs are different. We couldn't make a go of it here with just L1 and the LEAF. But with home 6.6kW L2

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Jamie K via EV
So I take it you aren't driving an electric car and using L1 at home to do all or most of your driving? For us it isn't hypothetical or theoretical. And for anyone, please be clear that a typical day is not a relevant metric for range requirements. It's the outliers that you have to

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It's the outliers that you have to accommodate. Yes, but not necessarily with rapid charging. When 200-mile ranges become the norm, as is promised soon -- say, a 40 kWh (usable) battery in a (conservative) 200 Wh / mile car

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: Most EV charging can and should reasonably be expected to be done while the vehicle is parked, especially overnight at home. L1 chargers are today and always will be good enough for that for nearly everybody... L2 is pretty much guaranteed overkill This describes my

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Jamie K via EV wrote: All I can tell you is that from our experience, L2 is not rapid charging, it's normal charging. Whereas when you have somewhere to go soon, L1 is punishment charging. This is the problem that Lawrence Rhodes pointed out. If you build EVs just like big heavy power-hungry

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 12:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Later in the weekend, the team turned up the wick and the car sprinted through the quarter mile in 12.56 seconds at 101.43 mph. Quite respectable in and of itself, and most impressive in a car that started life as the

[EVDL] OT: Self-driving semi truck licensed and unveiled last week

2015-05-13 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
No necessarily EV, but definitely in the new technology corner, where EV or hybridization would be a benefit for Semi trucks as well. Freightliner has unveiled their Insiration truck, which is autonomous level 3 which means that there still needs to be a human behind the wheel, but in certain

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
I thought that torque was calculated/measured at the wheels and to get the highest number, it is typically in 1st gear, so I would not expect that they can break tires loose on a dragstrip if they launch in 4th gear even with a standard diff, let alone with 1:1 diff, because I expect that torque

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I've now heard all the talk about 5 minute quick charging batteries and the 1 megawatt per car requirement. It's time to stop the madness. As much as I love Tesla all their models are big energy pigs. 85KW! Yes much better than a gas car of any size but when there

[EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/13/2015 10:37 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I've now heard all the talk about 5 minute quick charging batteries and the 1 megawatt per car requirement. It's time to stop the madness. As much as I love Tesla all their models are big energy pigs. 85KW! Yes much better than a Tesla

[EVDL] C4RJ asks Santa Monica, CA residents protest SMPD's profiling of EV'r

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Charging-EVr-PD-assaulted-pushed-handcuffed-punched-pepper-sprayed-tp4675150.html ] http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/2015/05/committee-for-racial-justice-asks-residents-to-protest-smpd-racial-profiling-to-council/ COMMITTEE FOR

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So I think the engineers need to put their thinking caps on, reduce the weight of every vehicle, make the CD of all new vehicles .16 or so and stop making these energy hogs. That's definitely where a good deal of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I thought that torque was calculated/measured at the wheels It can be measured anywhere, but is typically specified at the output shaft of the motor (whether electric or ICE) unless otherwise noted, for the simple

[EVDL] SolaRoad cycle path electricity yield exceeds expectations

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Interesting potential source of future EV energy: http://phys.org/news/2015-05-solaroad-path-electricity-yield.html I'm a bit skeptical, though...by its very nature, anything put on the road is going to have to be a lot more durable and therefore expensive than what you'd put on a rooftop.

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. 

2015-05-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. 

2015-05-13 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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[EVDL] $125k 1923 Milburn Electric Model 27L EV discovered in a Texas barn

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/07/pre-war-cars-untouched-for-four-decades-rediscovered-in-a-texas-barn/ Pre-war cars untouched for four decades rediscovered in a Texas barn By Nick Kirkpatrick May 7 2015 [image

[EVDL] EVLN: Aussies do it right EVSE @all 60 apt parking spots

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/business/innovators-fringe-elements/electric-car-charging-or-no-parking-at-all-piccolos-take-on-the-green-agenda/73664 Electric car charging or no parking at all – Piccolo’s take on the green agenda Willow Aliento | 7 May 2015 [images

[EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://ecomento.com/2015/05/07/enfield-electric-1975-1000-horsepower-car/ Meet the 1000 horsepower 1975 Enfield electric (w/video) May 7, 2015 | [video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o6igJGsBoM Flux Capacitor - 500+ hp Electric Enfield 8000 - 12.62 @ 101.65 mph VeeDubRacing Apr 26, 2015

[EVDL] EVLN: SWIFT rolls out Belgium's largest i3-rex pih fleet

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://evfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/May/SWIFT-rolls-out-Belgiums-largest-BMW-i3-fleet/0438019730 SWIFT rolls out Belgium's largest BMW i3 fleet by Alex Grant 07 May 2015 [image http://media.comcar.co.uk/article/2015/May/image/0438019730-5606-201505_P90182815_zoom_orig_jpg-320.jpg The fleet is

[EVDL] Google sez self-driving EVs don't cause accidents pesky humans do

2015-05-13 Thread brucedp5 via EV
'Google's prototype self-driving EV is slated for public tests in CA' http://www.eweek.com/mobile/google-self-driving-cars-dont-cause-accidents-company-says.html Google Self-Driving Cars Don't Cause Accidents, Company Says By Jaikumar Vijayan | 2015-05-12 [image

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
To give an illustration of how high the need is for fast charging: I have at least 3 L2 chargers since 2 years and I have not installed any of them yet, since overnight L1 charging is more than I need for my daily driving needs. Of course, I plan to install at least one L2 station later this year