Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Sat May 30 09:25:16 PDT 2015 e...@msn.com said:
Here in Montana, there are fuel pumps for using in vehicles for off roads 
driving meaning country, state and federal.  You can cross them, but cannot 
drive them.

Yes, and those vehicles probably aren't registered as on-road vehicles, so 
wouldn't have odometer checked anyway.

I drive every day to my mail box which is on my land with my EV.

yes.  So what?
Any sane mileage based tax law isn't going to be 100% fair to every human on 
earth.
Get over it.



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[EVDL] Almost....

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, this morning I help my parents finish putting in a bunch of sod in their 
back yard. Afterwards, Dad followed up on a couple Web sites he's been looking 
at and did a bit of math...and it seemed just possible that, with a trade-in 
offer and Federal tax credits and all the rest, they might be able to pay 
$15,000 cash (and hand over the title to the trade-in car) and drive away with 
a 2016 i-MiEV. So, we drove down to the dealership, ready to do so if they were 
willing to do so.

Alas, what with all the taxes and fees and not wanting to give nearly so much 
on the trade-in and what-not...it was going to cost a bit over $21,000 at the 
end of the day for the car. So we walked.

But it's pretty much a given at this point that they'll be buying an EV in the 
very near future

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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Mr23 via EV

Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?

On 5/30/2015 3:58 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
need a court order

Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement agencies 
that work with the NSA on parallel construction? How about the marketing 
firms that buy the data outright from those who collect it and then turn around and 
re-sell it to anybody with money?

I don't believe it's illegal for private companies. It is however illegal for 
the government to do it.

As I wrote: has anybody bothered to tell the NSA that what they're doing is 
illegal?

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Re: [EVDL] NEV/Golfcart EV numbers needed, low cost GC batts

2015-05-30 Thread Roland via EV
   
I purchase the last set of GC batteries from Interstate back in 2007, but they 
came from the US Battery Company.  Interstate only sells there stock up to the 
220 ah. Higher than 220 ah, they purchase them from US Battery.  

 

I found this out when I went to the Auto Parts Store where they sell the 
Interstate batteries.  The Interstate battery truck was at the store and I ask 
him about the 250 ah GC batteries.  He said they get them from the US Battery 
Company.  The driver is also the owner of the local distributer. 

 

He quoted me a price of about $100.00 per battery or about $3000.00 for thirty 
of them, delivered right to my home.  I kept the old batteries which I could 
have got $20.00 core charge.  Used them to replace the 30 Trojan batteries that 
we where using in a cabin in the mountains that ran a inverter for 10 years 
that was also use in the EV for 8.5 years. 

 

The US Batteries also ran my EV to Oct 2014 which was about 7.5 years which was 
purchase April 2007. 

 

One thing that I specified, was that I wanted the batteries to be pre match and 
same manufacturer date.  The Interstate guy, said he orders several hundred 
pallet loads at a time, and come to his shop and I can pre-match them my self 
with the instruments and testers they have.  

 

After going through 180 batteries, I found thirty that all read 6.44 volts at 
rest  after apply a starting load.

 

Roland   

 

 


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To: Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:03 AM

Subject: [EVDL] NEV/Golfcart EV numbers needed, low cost GC batts



Hi All, Anyone know where to find the data on US NEV, golfcart, etc low speed 
EV's on the road? Off the road?John V at GCR reports wants them for an article 
asked me.On GC battery deals lately I've found good prices at most car parts 
store chains where you can ask your own price.On brands I've found 
Deka/EastPenn or Johnson Controls that makes house brands like Duralast.I 
generally buy GC at $70 or so for 60lb ones at AutoZone, Discount Auto, etc and 
$80 for the 70lb DC 12vdc ones with cores.
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
 need a court order
 
 Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law 
 enforcement agencies that work with the NSA on parallel construction? How 
 about the marketing firms that buy the data outright from those who collect 
 it and then turn around and re-sell it to anybody with money?
 
 I don't believe it's illegal for private companies. It is however illegal for 
 the government to do it.

As I wrote: has anybody bothered to tell the NSA that what they're doing is 
illegal?

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Re: [EVDL] Comuta-Car PbSO4 batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Tom Keenan via EV
Another thing to consider when getting batteries is the overall height, 
including terminal posts.  There isn't much room height-wise in the bumpers 
where the batteries are located. Will the 8v batteries have the same physical 
dimension as the T-105?  The batteries nearest the ends of the Comutacar will 
have less of a problem, but the inboard batteries have a metal frame right 
above some of the terminals.
Changing from eight 6v to six 8v batteries to keep 48v may create too much room 
in the battery boxes, as they were designed to be more or less crammed in place 
and held down with a single bolt in the center of the four batteries, with the 
edges of the box keeping the square arrangement in line.
The charger in stock Comutacars is somewhat underpowered because there is 
another charging system for the 12v system battery that lives under the 
driver's seat.  If memory serves, the 48v charger puts out about 20 amps (~1kW) 
compared to the Lester chargers in older Citicars that put out about 25 amps 
(~1.2 kW). Both use about 14-15 amps from the wall plug, and the chargers are 
very sensitive to input voltage. If a normal 120 - 125 volts is present at the 
plug when charging, they would charge relatively quickly.  If the wiring wasn't 
up to spec, or the pole transformer was set low, (perhaps 110 to 115 volts) 
they would take forever to finish a charge, and would probably not get a good 
finish charge because they ended below 60 volts.
If the new buyer goes down to 36 volts (6 6v batteries) they will need a 
different charger, and the top speed will be reduced significantly, from about 
35 mph for 48v to 28 mph at 36 volts.  

Tom Keenan
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Roland via EV
   
Here in Montana, there are fuel pumps for using in vehicles for off roads 
driving meaning country, state and federal.  You can cross them, but cannot 
drive them. 

 

The people that are using diesel fuel, the fuel is red color.  The ranchers 
that have old cap oil wells on there land which have been turn over to them by 
the oil companies, uses this fuel with additives added to run there equipment.  

 

I drive every day to my mail box which is on my land with my EV.  

 

Roland 

 

 


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To: Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ; 
Rolandmailto:e...@msn.com 

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 9:11 AM

Subject: Re: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the 
battery.



On Sat May 30 07:58:46 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org 
said:
This will depend on what type of speedometer you have.  I am starting to 
replace the analog instruments with digital.  The new digital has a external 
control where you can reset the mileage to any thing you want.

Yes, and what % of vehicle drivers can/will do that?  (Likely, FAR fewer than 
there are EV drivers.)

If you towing a vehicle that is displaying increase mileage on a odometer with 
out any energy input, this should not be tax.  

Not many cars do that, and even then, it would be a tiny % of your miles. 
(unless your car is a real lemon.)

 Also no federal and state tax on private roads.

So, you are buying Gas that doesn't have Road Tax for your private road 
driving?  How?


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[EVDL] NEV/Golfcart EV numbers needed, low cost GC batts

2015-05-30 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi All,   Anyone know where to find the data on US NEV, golfcart, etc low 
speed EV's on the road?  Off the road?John V at  GCR reports wants them for an 
article asked me.On  GC battery deals lately I've found good prices at most car 
parts store chains where you can ask your own price.On brands I've found 
Deka/EastPenn  or Johnson Controls that makes house brands like Duralast.I 
generally buy GC at $70 or so for 60lb ones at AutoZone, Discount Auto, etc and 
$80 for the 70lb DC 12vdc ones with cores.
   Jerry Dycus
  
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Mr23 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?

The context is vehicles, especially new factory electric vehicles, with a full 
suite of Big Brother spying equipment built into the car, hardware that we 
already know reports back to the manufacturers.

Much as I think the Teslas are really truly impressive feats of 
engineering...even if I found a winning lottery ticket laying on the sidewalk, 
I'd still think long and hard about buying one. I'd cut a check for a Zombie 
222 in an heartbeat...but a Tesla? Not so sure

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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 30 May 2015 at 13:58, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

 As I wrote: has anybody bothered to tell the NSA that what they're doing is
 illegal?

I'm not sure that makes a difference to them.  But tossing that political 
football round is OT for us, and also kind of pointless, since it won't 
change anything.  

I think what matters in this discussion is that at least some EVs are 
already passing information about your use of them back to the manufacturer.

Now suppose your legislature passes an EV pay-by-mileage law, and your local 
DMV gives you a choice between allowing them access to your EV's data and 
not getting a license for the EV.  They have an economic interest in those 
data, since online access means that they don't have to pay someone to check 
your odometer.  Hey, look how wisely they're using your tax dollars!  :-\

Again, I'm no attorney, but as I understand it, courts have ruled that 
driving isn't a fundamental right.  You have the choice to maintain your 
privacy by not driving your EV, and your constitutional rights are thus  
sufficiently satisfied.

Fifteen years ago I would have said this couldn't happen, but a lot has 
happened in that time that I thought never would.  

I also thought that the contribution EVs make to the public health (and thus 
public expense) would be rewarded by allowing them to escape fuel tax. I 
sure was wrong about that!

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Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Willie2 via EV

On 05/29/2015 08:22 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:



Willie: C-cars are only 48v systems, and draw over 500 amps on a 
routine basis from their batteries. Most cheap lithiums would not like 
this kind of current at all.
I had guessed that 250a would be enough since I rarely see 100a on my 
36v golf carts.  So, maybe two 48v Leaf strings would be needed to 
supply the required current.


Gail:  I would never buy another Nissan (nor, since viewing WKTEC, a 
GM).  But that is because they failed to support their product and honor 
the warranty.  They lied about and obfuscated the battery problem they 
had.  All batteries have problems and limitations; I object to Nissan's 
way of dealing with their problems, not necessarily the products.  The 
alternate channels for factory batteries probably have no warranties.  
I'm fine with that.  On further consideration, the Volt modules would 
probably be a better choice for a hot weather location, assuming your 
C-Car is staying in LV.


Several have mention the possible need to replace the charger.  My 
experience is that any old charger will do as long as it reaches the 
needed voltage and as long as it is controlled by a BMS that triggers a 
shut off on high single cell voltage.



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[EVDL] EVLN: Uber.cn using Trumpchi GA5 REV pih

2015-05-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/26/uber-goes-electric-with-the-launch-of-ubergreen-in-china/
Uber adds electric cars to its fleet in China with launch of UberGreen
May 26, 2015  Ruth Reader

[image
http://i0.wp.com/venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Uber-goes-electric-in-China-with-launch-of-UberGreen-photo-03.jpg?fit=780%2C
]

In the Chinese city of Wuhan, ride service Uber is going green. The company
is introducing ten hybrid electric vehicles to its fleet of cars through a
partnership with Guangzhou Automobile.

The hybrid car service is expected to roll out this week and will be called
UberGREEN, according to Tech in Asia. The new service will use Guangzhou
Automobile’s Trumpchi GA5 REV car.

In April, the city of Wuhaun announced plans to add 1,000 [pih] vehicles to
its fleet of taxis. Always keen to compete, Uber seems to be bringing out
green car service just to stay up on the competition.

But Uber is also testing its UberGREEN service in other cities. So far the
company appears to have tested electric car service in Chicago in the U.S. [
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/15/uber-electric-byd-e6-chicago/
] and Prague in the Czech Republic [
https://twitter.com/Uber_Praha/status/590795933459296256
].  [© venturebeat.com]



https://www.techinasia.com/uber-electric-hybrid-china-ubergreen/
Uber goes electric in China with launch of UberGreenSteven Millward
Editing by Charlie Custer and Osman Husain; images from Uber on Weibo

[images  / Uber
https://www-techinasia.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Uber-goes-electric-in-China-with-launch-of-UberGreen-photo-01.jpg
The pih car Uber will use, pictured this weekend in Wuhan, China.

https://www-techinasia.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Uber-goes-electric-in-China-with-launch-of-UberGreen-photo-02.jpg
]

Uber is going green in China with a deal to run hybrid electric cars in one
Chinese city. The tie-up is between Uber, the Guangzhou Automobile brand,
and a fleet company in the city of Wuhan, which will see ten hybrid cars
hitting the streets of Wuhan in an experiment to see if commuters like them.
Once it rolls out to consumers, reportedly sometime this week, it’ll be
called UberGreen.

The UberGreen initiative was confirmed over the weekend by Uber’s official
Uber Wuhan account on Weibo (via CarNewsChina and EVlook).

Uber will use Guangzhou Automobile’s Trumpchi GA5 REV car (REV stands for
range-extended EV), as pictured at Uber’s press event in the city, which
features a small (1.0-liter, 45kw) petrol engine allied with an electric
motor (31kw) and a battery pack. It can do 80 kilometers on pure electric,
but with so little electrical power, it’ll probably be running in hybrid
mode most of the time.

Uber already operates UberX and its not-for-profit People’s Uber in the city
of Wuhan. But it’s not the only company offering green rides. In April the
city unveiled a program that will add more than 1,000 electric taxis to its
fleet – including 100 Tesla S85 sedans.

California-based Uber now operates in nine cities in mainland China after
first launching in August 2013. Recently, Uber has been the target of police
raids in several cities, though its operations do not seem to have been
affected.
[© techinasia.com]



http://www.carnewschina.com/2015/05/25/uber-signs-deal-to-operate-green-energy-taxis-in-china/
Uber signs deal to operate green-energy taxi’s in China
May 25, 2015  by Tycho de Feijter

[image
http://www.carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/uber-1-deal-china-3-660x414.jpg?97ba00
The Trumpchi GA5 REV (Range Extended pih)
]

The U.S.-based online taxi-hailing service Uber has signed a deal in China
to co-operate a fleet of green-energy taxi ‘limousines’ in the city of Wuhan
in Hubei Province under the ‘UberGreen’ name. The logistics and drivers will
be handled by a local company called ‘Green New Energy Limousine Service’
and the vehicles will be provided by Chinese automaker Guangzhou Automobile.

The operations have started today, May 25, with an initial fleet of ten
hybrid-powered Guangzhou Auto Trumpchi GA5 REV sedans. More cars may be
added if the service proves to be a success. The rate is marginally lower
than the normal taxi rate in Wuhan: base price of 10 yuan plus 2.4 yuan per
kilometer,  and 0.3 yuan per minute for time spend waiting.

The power train consists of a range-extending 1.0 four-cylinder petrol
engine with 41hp. The engine powers the generator for the electric motor,
which has an output of 60hp. The petrol engine does not send power directly
to the wheels. Maximum speed is 150 kilometer per hour. Range on pure
electric power is 80 kilometer. Range with range extender is 600 kilometer.
Charging the battery takes six hours.
[© carnewschina.com]



http://en.yibada.com/articles/35113/20150528/uber-unveils-new-green-product-ubergreen.htm
Uber Unveils New Green Product: UberGreen
Vanna Emia | May 28, 2015

Transportation company Uber, a fleet company in Wuhan, and the Guangzhou
Automobile 

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
 need a court order

Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement 
agencies that work with the NSA on parallel construction? How about the 
marketing firms that buy the data outright from those who collect it and then 
turn around and re-sell it to anybody with money?
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
need a court order 

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 29, 2015, at 9:17 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org 
 wrote:
 
 On 29 May 2015 at 18:19, Paul Dove via EV wrote:
 
 Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
 
 I'm probably going to sound tinfoil-hattish here, but how do you know that 
 your EV isn't already telling its manufacturer how far you drove last year?  
 If you have a Tesla, it almost certainly is; and if you have a Leaf, I 
 wouldn't be surprised if it is.  If I'm not mistaken, and someone correct me 
 if I am, both of these cars have full time mobile data connections back to 
 their masters.  All in the name of product improvement, mind you.
 
 The car knows its own VIN.  Do you see any reason to think that if your DMV 
 asks for that information, and maybe offers a little incentive to cover 
 their costs, Tesla and/or Nissan would say no?  I don't.
 
 This isn't your father's Oldsmobile.  Indeed it isn't.
 
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[EVDL] EVLN: Honda e-scooter wanting 2be a popular seller in India

2015-05-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.cartrade.com/car-bike-news/honda-s-metropolitan-based-electric-scooter-likely-to-be-a-popular-seller-in-india-128731.html
Honda's Metropolitan-based electric scooter likely to be a popular seller in
India 
May 26, 2015   by Roger Dsouza

[image  
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The two-wheeler division of Japanese automaker Honda has reportedly been
performing exceptionally well in the Indian market for a couple of years now
and its strategic prowess is among the primary reasons for the same. One
thing that Honda has done brilliantly well while strategizing is entering
the right segment at the right time. Now, according to a recent report by
sources states that the firm is set to enter the electric scooter segment
and has been developing a model based on the popular Metropolitan scooter.

Metropolitan is a two-wheeler sold in several international markets and has
done remarkably well over the years. The patent design of the scooter being
developed by Honda is the only thing available at the moment and no
specifics have been mentioned by Honda. However, Honda has pretty firm plans
of making this segment its own in the Indian market and it made the
announcement clearly in a recent press conference. Sources claim that this
model is likely to be showcased at the 2016 Auto Expo, which will be held in
India.

The electric scooter segment is not really popular in the Indian market at
present with Hero MotoCorp leading the segment. However, with Honda’s entry
in the segment, things could become really interesting if the right models
are introduced at good prices.
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Honda Metropolitan Electric Scooter to be the next booming entrant
by Khushboo Goel - May 21, 2015 ...

When launched, the company is offering many colors like Pearl Blue, Pearl
Black, Pink Metallic, Pearl White and White to offer the customers with the
variety to choose from. With no mention about the price of the electric
scooter, let’s see what the next news from the Honda. We hope it should keep
the price competitive to beat all the competitors existing in the market to
rule the electric scooter segment as well.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.greentechlead.com/electric-vehicle/japanese-wireless-tech-promise-for-electric-vehicles-23819
Japanese wireless tech promise for electric vehicles
May 27, 2015  Ajith Kumar S

[image  
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Researchers at University of Tokyo claim to have developed a technology for
wireless transfer of electricity which they believe will help develop more
advanced electric vehicles.

The team has incorporated the technology in the “world’s first in-wheel
motor system for electric vehicles” that transmits power wirelessly to run
motors attached with each wheel.

The new system transmits electricity from an onboard power source to a coil
attached to the wheel hubs without wires.

The researchers say the system wirelessly transmits electricity stored in
the vehicle’s batteries over a distance of 10 centimetres. Power from the
batteries is passed to a transmitting coil from where it is transmitted over
the 10-cm distance to a receiving coil attached to the wheel hub.

“This technology will pave the way for the development of electric vehicles
that receive electricity wirelessly from transmitting coils embedded under
road surfaces. It can be also applied to fuel-cell vehicles and industrial
machinery,” Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun has quoted Hiroshi Fujimoto, an
associate professor at the University of Tokyo specializing in electric
vehicle control, as saying.

According to the researchers, the in-wheel motor, also known as wheel hub
motor, is an electric motor incorporated into the hub of a vehicle’s wheels
to directly drive each wheel.

The technology does away with the need for a drive shaft, which is part of
conventional electric vehicles and mechanically transfers energy to all the
wheels and drives them.

The new technology could help build lighter vehicles that require less
energy. It should also allow greater control on acceleration and braking,
and mitigates the risk of skidding.

Current cars that employ in-wheel motors depend on wires to transmit
electricity and the complex wiring distribution combined with susceptibility
to short circuits have hindered development of such a vehicle for practical
purposes.

The researchers have also succeeded in running a motor using 3 kilowatts of
electricity and sent control information to each wheel using standardized
Bluetooth wireless technology.

And the researchers say the prototype rear-wheel-drive car they have
developed can, in theory, run at 75kmph.
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[EVDL] EVent: EVs @Energy-Fair 10a-3p 5/30, 6/6, 27 San-Juan, Orcas, Lopez Is. WA

2015-05-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://sanjuanislander.com/things-do/calendar/icalrepeat.detail/2015/05/30/1924/575%7C576%7C577%7C578%7C579%7C580/energy-fair-in-friday-harbor
Calendar of Events in the San Juan Islands
Energy Fair in Friday Harbor
Saturday, May 30, 2015, 10:00am - 03:00pm

Attend one of the three energy fairs and learn how to better track your
energy use habits, find savings options, participate in solar home tours,
try out an electric vehicle, get free energy savings kits, apply for a home
energy audit, and more at these free events.

The Island Energy Fairs  are community collaborations between the San Juan
Islands Conservation District, OPALCO and Islands Energy.

San Juan Island Energy Fair from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, May 30 at the
Mullis Center on Nash Street in Friday Harbor

Highlights include:

• Free energy savings kits

• Demonstrations of electric vehicles

• Information about home energy audits and locally generated power

• Information about OPALCO efficiency rebate programs

• Local contractor booths

• Energy keynote speakers

• EV Cars

If you'd like to take the solar home tour, please email energy
@sjislandscd.org to sign up for a solar home tour.
Saturday, May 30, 2015, 10:00am - 03:00pm
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http://sanjuanislander.com/index.php?option=com_k2view=itemid=19080:june-27-energy-fairItemid=262
June 27: Energy Fair in Lopez Village

Attend one of the three energy fairs and learn how to better track your
energy use habits, find savings options, participate in solar home tours,
try out an electric vehicle, get free energy savings kits, apply for a home
energy audit, and more at these free events.

The Island Energy Fairs  are community collaborations between the San Juan
Islands Conservation District, OPALCO and Islands Energy.

San Juan Island Energy Fair from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, May 30 at the
Mullis Center on Nash Street in Friday Harbor

Orcas Island Energy Fair from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. June 6 at the Eastsound
Village Green.

Lopez Island Energy Fair from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. June 27 at the Lopez Center
for Community and the Arts.

Highlights include:

• Free energy savings kits

• Demonstrations of electric vehicles

• Information about home energy audits and locally generated power

• Information about OPALCO efficiency rebate programs

• Local contractor booths

• Energy keynote speakers

• EV Cars

If you'd like to take the solar home tour, please email energy
@sjislandscd.org to sign up for a solar home tour.
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[EVDL] Comuta-Car PbSO4 batteries

2015-05-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV


[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/GC-batteries-tp4675848.html
GC batteries
]

Following Gail's request to not consider li-ion and only purchase PbSO4
prices of T-15 equivalent batteries depend on where you are. The web still
states Gail is in Las Vegas, NV
I'll assume the L1 charger that Commuta-Car has is designed  set to safely
charge a 48VDC PbSO4 pack of T-105 group 24 size  100 to 120 minute @75A
batteries.

Which batteries the new owner buys will depend on their priorities, but just
as Lee had posted, you get what you pay for:

-if the new owner is on a steep EV learning curve, it might be better to go
with the cheapo Sam's batteries. But know that what ever blems/duds Sam's
sells, you (Gail) are going to be called upon for help.

With that in mind, I would opt for a better 'known-good' battery to have
less problems the owner would call you on: Trojan the best and most costly,
USBattery next level down ... (a lot of other brands in-between), to the
ones being dumped by Sam's (there is likely a good reason they are cheap).

Below I give the detail and local Las Vegas distributor contact
detail/method of a few brands (best to worst). At the end I added a couple
of links I hope will be also helpful.

If I (an experienced EV driver of over 15 years) knew I was going to
regularly use that EV, I would go for the USBattery as I have found using
them over many years of pack changes, theirs is the 'best-bang-for-the-buck'
(of course I am also the type that would modify the EV to be able to access
the public L2 6kW EVSE around Las Vegas, but that is just me).

One other point: For battery distributors, what model they sell the most of
is the one they can give the best price-to-capacity break on. Meaning, if
you ask the prices of each model when buying 6, and then divide the
actual-total-price to that model's capacity, you will see what kind of deal
you are getting Example if they sell large quantities of their US 2200 to
the local golf clubs around Las Vegas, it is likely the price break the
distributors gets will be passed along to the buyer.


http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/
T-105 @75 Amps 115mins L-10.30 (262cm) W-7.11 (181) H-11.07 (281)  62lbs
(28)

http://tools.trojanbattery.com/dealers.aspx
Battery Systems  MASTER DISTRIBUTOR  www.batterysystems.net
4500 South Arville Street  Las Vegas, Nevada 89103
Contact: Jim Allen  Telephone: 702-643-2500 Fax: 702-643-2555

Factory Motor Parts - Las Vegas  MASTER DISTRIBUTOR
3200 Builders Avenue  Las Vegas, Nevada 89101  
Contact: Marty Lebo  Telephone: 702-459-0566 (22)

http://www.hodgsoncorp.com/products/trojan.htm
(email for a quote)


http://usbattery.com/products/6-volt-batteries/
US 1800 XC2
US 2000 XC2  @ 75 Amps: 114mins  63.00 lbs
US 2200 XC2

http://usbattery.com/info-center/u-s-dealers/
Shelton Battery 3731 South Valley View Las Vegas NV 89103 702.362.8180

Battery Systems 4500 S Arville St Las Vegas NV 89103 702.643.2500


http://www.samsclub.com/sams/golf-cart-batteries/3990117.cp?refinementParam=RefinementrootDimension=dimGrpitem=1dimGrpbrand=2dimGrpproductrating=3dimGrpprice=4searchCategoryId=3990117altQuery=nullnavParam=nullsearchTerm=requestType=ajaxinteractedWith=customPriceisRatingSelected=falseselectedFilter=nullminPrice=70maxPrice=90currentMinPrice=50currentMaxPrice=200lowerPriceRange=50upperPriceRange=200pageView=listsortKey=p_sales_ranksortOrder=0noOfRecordsPerPage=12
~$90 6V Golf Battery @Sam's Club
 Duracell® Golf Car Battery - Group Size GC2 Item #: 347700 |Model #: GC2
 Energizer Golf Cart Battery - Group Size GC2 Item #: 1194 |Model #: Group
Size GC2 
 
http://www3.samsclub.com/clublocator/?xid=hnav_club-locator


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar
 ... Comuta-Car, produced by Commuter Vehicles, Inc. retained all of the
Transitional CitiCar changes including the larger 6 HP motor and drive train
arrangement, but moved the batteries from under the seat to battery boxes
behind the bumpers, making the vehicle about 16 inches (410 mm) longer than
the 8-foot (2.4 m) long CitiCar. ComutaCars also incorporated additional
frame supports to meet the new DOT standards. One of these supports created
the center console like rug covered divider between the driver and
passenger.

http://citicar.org/PARTS/PARTS.TXT
parts

http://www.hightechscience.org/ComutaCar.pdf
manual


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On Fri, May 29, 2015, at 04:56 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
 Now trying to help select batteries for the ComutaCar.  I used Trojan
 T105s 
 when I had it and the new owner is looking for the same since they are
 still 
 in it but need to be replaced.  One of our local EV gurus suggested money 
 could be saved by using some from Sam's Club where they can be purchased
 for  under $90.00.  Please offer opinions, but not to upgrade to lithium. 
 That would be overkill for a C-Car.  I have not bought batteries for so
 long I
 am not up on what is considered the best of the lead-acid for this purpose
 ...
-




For 

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 29, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 I believe lithium is now about twice the price of lead for similar energy 
 storage capacity.

In general, we are rapidly approaching but not quite yet at the time when 
lithium trumps lead for all use cases. Once Tesla's Gigafactory comes online, 
we may well reach that point.

It won't be all that long before starter batteries in ICE vehicles are 
lithium

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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Jay Summet via EV
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On 05/30/2015 02:00 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
 On Fri May 29 16:19:59 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
 Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
 
 There's this wonderful new invention that most cars have in them.
 It's called an Odometer.

I would much prefer having to get an official odometer check every
year (even paying $15 for it, like an emmisisons check) than have to
pay the current $200 a year flat fee that the state of Georgia has
just legislated.

(And I like the idea of a yearly visit much better than having to
carry around a GPS tracker ;)

Jay
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Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Jay Summet via EV
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I had Sams Club batteries in my S10 EV (20 of them) for my first pack.
 They were Energizer EGC2 batteries. (The cost was around $1700 5-6
years ago.)

They lasted 2 years with good service, and I eked out another 3/4 of a
year with reduced range/capacity before replacing them. (686 charge
cycles total.)

You can read more about it here:
http://www.summet.com/blog/2013/11/24/electric-pickup-truck-cost-of-ownership/

And here:
http://www.summet.com/blog/2013/07/26/electric-truck-battery-pack-status-report/


I don't think that I badly mistreated them, but I didn't baby them either.

I have replaced them with Interstate GC batteries for my 2nd pack
(cost of ~ $2200, and so far I haven't seen anything that makes me
think the Interstate batteries are going to last a lot longer than the
Sams club batteries did. [I have already had to replace one that was
way under-performing the rest of the pack, but luckily I had a spare
of about the same age as the pack ready to go as part of my home UPS...]

So is the extra $500 for a name brand source worth it?

PerhapsI'll know for sure in a year.  For me, it was worth it,
because the Interstate dealer is about 2 miles from my house, while
the nearest Sams club that sells GC batteries is outside of the range
of my electric pickup.

When you only need six of them, I'd say drive to Sams club and get
them, at least for your first pack. Just make sure that all six
batteries are matched (have the same date code stamped into the
plastic, and measure very close to the same voltage.)

Jay




On 05/30/2015 01:56 AM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
 Hi again,
 
 Now trying to help select batteries for the ComutaCar.  I used
 Trojan T105s when I had it and the new owner is looking for the
 same since they are still in it but need to be replaced.  One of
 our local EV gurus suggested money could be saved by using some
 from Sam's Club where they can be purchased for under $90.00.
 Please offer opinions, but not to upgrade to lithium.  That would
 be overkill for a C-Car.  I have not bought batteries for so long I
 am not up on what is considered the best of the lead-acid for this
 purpose.
 
 Thank you for any information or experience you can provide related
 to what I am sure most of you consider old technology.
 
 Gail
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Power transmitted wirelessly to run 4 In-Wheel e-Motors

2015-05-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
As has been discussed many times, the real problem with in-wheel motors 
is the additional unsprung weight.  This is design is interesting in 
that it would reduce that weight.  Would it be enough?  A coil of wire 
around the wheel still would add quite a bit of weight.  Removing the 
axle would compensate that a little bit.


All together this sounds like a pancake style motor with a 10cm gap.  
Since the stator would be fixed, it seems there would be a lot of 
misalignment happening while driving on a bumpy road - possibly vertical 
travel of, what, 10-20cm - resulting in reduced power?  Maybe that's 
good - it forces you to slow down on bumpy roads :)


Peri

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http://www.greentechlead.com/electric-vehicle/japanese-wireless-tech-promise-for-electric-vehicles-23819
Japanese wireless tech promise for electric vehicles
May 27, 2015  Ajith Kumar S

[image
http://www.greentechlead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/In-Wheel_Wireless_Motor.jpg
]

Researchers at University of Tokyo claim to have developed a technology 
for
wireless transfer of electricity which they believe will help develop 
more

advanced electric vehicles.

The team has incorporated the technology in the “world’s first in-wheel
motor system for electric vehicles” that transmits power wirelessly to 
run

motors attached with each wheel.

The new system transmits electricity from an onboard power source to a 
coil

attached to the wheel hubs without wires.

The researchers say the system wirelessly transmits electricity stored 
in
the vehicle’s batteries over a distance of 10 centimetres. Power from 
the
batteries is passed to a transmitting coil from where it is transmitted 
over

the 10-cm distance to a receiving coil attached to the wheel hub.

“This technology will pave the way for the development of electric 
vehicles
that receive electricity wirelessly from transmitting coils embedded 
under
road surfaces. It can be also applied to fuel-cell vehicles and 
industrial
machinery,” Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun has quoted Hiroshi 
Fujimoto, an

associate professor at the University of Tokyo specializing in electric
vehicle control, as saying.

According to the researchers, the in-wheel motor, also known as wheel 
hub
motor, is an electric motor incorporated into the hub of a vehicle’s 
wheels

to directly drive each wheel.

The technology does away with the need for a drive shaft, which is part 
of
conventional electric vehicles and mechanically transfers energy to all 
the

wheels and drives them.

The new technology could help build lighter vehicles that require less
energy. It should also allow greater control on acceleration and 
braking,

and mitigates the risk of skidding.

Current cars that employ in-wheel motors depend on wires to transmit
electricity and the complex wiring distribution combined with 
susceptibility
to short circuits have hindered development of such a vehicle for 
practical

purposes.

The researchers have also succeeded in running a motor using 3 
kilowatts of
electricity and sent control information to each wheel using 
standardized

Bluetooth wireless technology.

And the researchers say the prototype rear-wheel-drive car they have
developed can, in theory, run at 75kmph.
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Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Cruisin via EV
Don't waste you money on LifePo (Chinese), go with what all the big guys use
like the Volt or Leaf batteries.



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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I don't believe it's illegal for private companies. It is however illegal for 
the government to do it.

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 On May 30, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote:
 
 On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
 
 Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
 need a court order
 
 Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement 
 agencies that work with the NSA on parallel construction? How about the 
 marketing firms that buy the data outright from those who collect it and then 
 turn around and re-sell it to anybody with money?
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Roland via EV
   
This will depend on what type of speedometer you have.  I am starting to 
replace the analog instruments with digital.  The new digital has a external 
control where you can reset the mileage to any thing you want.  

 

Also you can have it only monitor ON MOTOR TIME, meaning only display the miles 
that the motor is under power using energy the same as a ENGINE RUN TIME that 
is using gasoline.  Does not monitor the miles during COAST RUN TIME.  This is 
a simple control circuit by installing a micro on the accelerator control. 

 

I also have separate instruments that monitor the ON MOTOR TIME, COAST RUN 
TIME,  and AWAY TIME from home.  

 

If you towing a vehicle that is displaying increase mileage on a odometer with 
out any energy input, this should not be tax.  Also no federal and state tax on 
private roads. 

 

Roland

 

 

 




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On 05/30/2015 02:00 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
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 Seems impossible to monitor how can they know how far I drove?
 
 There's this wonderful new invention that most cars have in them.
 It's called an Odometer.

I would much prefer having to get an official odometer check every
year (even paying $15 for it, like an emmisisons check) than have to
pay the current $200 a year flat fee that the state of Georgia has
just legislated.

(And I like the idea of a yearly visit much better than having to
carry around a GPS tracker ;)

Jay
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Sat May 30 07:58:46 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
This will depend on what type of speedometer you have.  I am starting to 
replace the analog instruments with digital.  The new digital has a external 
control where you can reset the mileage to any thing you want.

Yes, and what % of vehicle drivers can/will do that?  (Likely, FAR fewer than 
there are EV drivers.)

If you towing a vehicle that is displaying increase mileage on a odometer with 
out any energy input, this should not be tax.  

Not many cars do that, and even then, it would be a tiny % of your miles. 
(unless your car is a real lemon.)

 Also no federal and state tax on private roads.

So, you are buying Gas that doesn't have Road Tax for your private road 
driving?  How?


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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Roland wrote
Also no federal and state tax on private roads.


So I guess that means that there is no tax on roads 'Not maintained by County'?

Rush
Tucson AZ


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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars SalesBetter? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Roland via EV
   
That's correct.  

 

Also to roll back the mileage, this has to be done legally by having the 
vehicle inspected during each design change.  If you done a conversion that 
cost more than 50 percent of the value of the vehicle, you can retitle and 
rename the maker of the vehicle and the model of the vehicle.  

 

This takes a stage 1 and a stage 2 inspection to verified the cost of the 
conversion. 

 

If the conversion is approved, than you get a secondary VIN number for your 
vehicle.  This method is normally done for classics and hot rods that have been 
modified.  

 

I am now making another modification, which includes battery change, frame 
cross member change, air suspension, auto/manual transmission that matches the 
torque/rpm of the motor at every shift point and on dash digital display 
computer systems that displays all systems.  

 

Roland 


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Roland wrote
Also no federal and state tax on private roads.


So I guess that means that there is no tax on roads 'Not maintained by County'?

Rush
Tucson AZ


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