Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D
Ben Goren wrote: Erm...I don't think you understand how these things work. I very, very much doubt it's like Weyland sought out the Tesla to race; rather, almost certainly, both of them showed up to the same event, ran in a number of races against all sorts of vehicles, and the Zombie and the Tesla just happened to get paired up for this particular race. Erm... I don't believe you've met John Wayland (not Weyland) ;^ It is possible that it was a random matchup, but it is (in my opinion) at *least* as likely that the race was specifically arranged. While John is part of the team that built the car, I don't know if he was present at this particular race. However, he has been known to arrange races between his White Zombie and select vehicles that happen to be at the track in the past. John is *very* persuasive and charismatic, and has a distinct skill at setting up crowd-pleasing matches that his vehicle tends to win. Cheers, Roger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
Yes, I agree with pavement the deformation is elastic so no net energy transfer. I don't think you need larger displacement though. The electromagnetic force is very strong so you can get significant energy from small displacement. But of course how much will depend on the actual mechanism the pavegen uses. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676507.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
It's irrelevant to study the amount of displacement. The important fact is that what ever energy is produced came from a person's expenditure! I think, other than for a novel experience, most people would abhor trudging around on energy sucking pavement. Peri -- Original Message -- From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 25-Jun-15 12:24:17 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v) Yes, I agree with pavement the deformation is elastic so no net energy transfer. I don't think you need larger displacement though. The electromagnetic force is very strong so you can get significant energy from small displacement. But of course how much will depend on the actual mechanism the pavegen uses. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676507.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D
On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: David's point, I believe is that the exercise of pitting a highly modified, purpose-built drag racer against a production car is rather childish Erm...I don't think you understand how these things work. I very, very much doubt it's like Weyland sought out the Tesla to race; rather, almost certainly, both of them showed up to the same event, ran in a number of races against all sorts of vehicles, and the Zombie and the Tesla just happened to get paired up for this particular race. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/5e0ba151/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foottraffic (v)
Tom, it is very simple: physics. In order to have energy generated, work needs to be done. Work means a force multiplied by a distance. If distance is zero then there cannot be generated energy. Force is typically limited to the weight of the person. That is why, with the simple math of Potential Energy, I was able to estimate how deep your foot needs to sink (the distance over which the force works) multiplied by the force: avg human weight times gravity, in order to generate 7 Joule. Hope this clarifies, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 -Original Message- From: EV on behalf of tomw via EV Sent: Thu 6/25/2015 12:24 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foottraffic (v) Yes, I agree with pavement the deformation is elastic so no net energy transfer. I don't think you need larger displacement though. The electromagnetic force is very strong so you can get significant energy from small displacement. But of course how much will depend on the actual mechanism the pavegen uses. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676507.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3864 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/d58fdec1/attachment.bin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Peugeot building Bolloré.fr designed four-seat Bluesummer EV
http://paultan.org/2015/06/19/psa-to-build-and-distribute-bollore-bluesummer-ev/
PSA to build and distribute Bolloré Bluesummer EV
By Danny Tan / 19 June 2015
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PSA Peugeot Citroen (PSA) and Bolloré have entered into a strategic
cooperation agreement that covers vehicle production and distribution as
well as car sharing, leveraging the two groups’ respective expertise and
experience.
Bolloré is already present in the electric mobility market, having rolled
out several electric vehicles such as the Pininfarina-designed Bluecar,
Bluesummer, Bluebus and Bluetram. It also operates an EV car sharing network
in several cities in France (Paris, Lyon and Bordeaux and their outlying
towns) and other countries via dedicated subsidiaries.
The electric vehicle that will be distributed by PSA is the Bluesummer
pictured here, a four-seat cabriolet designed by Bolloré, with an urban
driving range of 200 km. The agreement also provides for the assembly of
Bluesummer cars at PSA’s plant in Rennes from September 2015, with installed
capacity of 15 vehicles per day for a maximum of 3,500 vehicles per year.
The collaboration is also aligned with both parties’ common goal of becoming
a leading player in the car sharing market, which will account for a
significant portion of the new mobility economy in Europe, alongside public
transport solutions. After Europe, a joint venture will deploy car sharing
solutions worldwide using EVs as well as low-emission internal combustion
vehicles. In Malaysia, COMOS is pioneering electric car sharing with a fleet
of Renault Zoe EVs.
“The agreement signed between our two companies reflects the vision that
Vincent Bolloré and I share of clean, sustainable mobility solutions that
enable us to provide our customers with the freedom to get around, which we
consider a fundamental right in today’s society,” said Carlos Tavares,
chairman of the managing board of PSA.
With this tie up, don’t be surprised to see more of the quirky Bolloré
Bluesummers buzzing around the next time you holiday in France.
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Pininfarina BlueCar to be built for French car sharing service
By Anthony Lim / 16 March 2011
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[EVDL] EVLN: Consider a cheap, reliable used Nissan Leaf EV
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/06/want-a-cheap-reliable-car-consider-a-used-nissan-leaf/index.htm
Want a cheap, reliable car? Consider a used Nissan Leaf
Incentives for lessees and low wholesale prices sweeten the deal
June 18, 2015 Eric Evarts
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If you’ve been sitting on the fence thinking about an electric car, or are
currently leasing a Nissan Leaf, now is the time to act. Prices are falling
like leaves.
Last week, Nissan announced an additional incentive of $5,000 to $7,000 for
current lessees to buy their Leafs when their lease matures. That brings the
buyout price closer in line with retail values on the market, so current
lessees won’t be as tempted to turn in their Leafs and replace them a few
months later for half the price—or simply walk away.
The Leafs coming off lease now are mostly 2012 models, which would have had
contractual buyout price of just over $21,000. This incentive brings that
down to about $14,000.
Even that bargain price is still way above what some Leafs are selling for.
We’ve seen plenty of online listings for used Leafs for just over $10,000.
We’re talking about late-model cars with between 15,000 and 35,000 miles on
them. (2011 models with more miles on them can cost even less.)
At auction, these cars are selling for $8,000 to $9,000. The numbers point
to great potential deals, yet most people apparently aren’t negotiating to
get the best price. According to data from the National Automobile Dealers
Association, the average price buyers paid for a 2012 Leaf at dealers is
about $17,000—way above the auction prices plus a traditional profit.
If you’ve been thinking of buying an electric car, but just can’t stomach
the high price of entry, consider a used Leaf. The car scored very well
when we tested it with quiet, smooth acceleration, a supple ride, and roomy
interior that belie its economy-car exterior. Given the available deals, a
low-mileage, $10,000 Leaf may be just the way to see if an electric car
could work with your lifestyle.
True, there’s no getting around the Leaf’s range limitations. The car will
go 75 to 80 miles on a good day before needing a recharge. And recharging
takes about 6 hours, even after you invest in a dedicated 240-volt electric
car charger. But it’s hard to beat for cheap transportation. Just be sure to
negotiate.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D
On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I continue to be baffled by the drag guys' fascination with comparing a highly - and specifically - modified race car to a stock-and-standard high performance OEM car. Teslas aren't why Weyland built the Zombies. I think this is the first time he's raced a Tesla, and it's _far_ from the first race he's won (and won big). Nor was the outcome ever in any doubt by anybody who knows about these things, just as there wouldn't be any doubt about the winner of a race between the high school all-state champion and somebody on the Olympic team. Sure, the racer can go to the store just like the OEM, but that is not what it was built for. They completely ignore the value of all the time it took to get the race car to the point where it could beat the OEM. Actually...that's probably most of what matters to Weyland and his crew. They're doing this because they love doing it. The end product is nice, but the process is at least as important. They also ignore the fact that if Tesla knew they were going to go drag racing and could prepare for it, they could simply swap controllers and do a few other minor tweaks and be in the hunt. I wouldn't be too sure. The first order of significance in drag racing is power-to-weight...and the Mustang is a lightweight car and the Tesla's battery pack and wiring probably isn't capable of delivering the wattage necessary to match the ratio the Zombie has. After that, it's mostly about traction -- of not breaking the tires loose. There almost certainly isn't enough room in the Tesla wheel wells for tires that can compete with what I'm sure they've got on the Zombie. (And they've almost certainly tubbed the Zombie, doing body work to put in bigger fenders and shorter axles so as to fit really big wheels and tires...how's that supposed to work for a Tesla?) Could Tesla engineers design and build a race car from the ground up that would beat the Zombie? I sure would hope so...and I'd love for them to do that. I'd like to think that, with the right budget, a team like what they've got at Tesla should be able to build an electric dragster that would best even nitromethane-cooled top fuel dragsters. They're doing the quarter mile (1000 feet, not 1320) in about 3.7 seconds and cross the finish line at 330 MPH. What kind of controller swap and other minor tweaks do you think it'd take Tesla to be in the hunt for _that?_ This whole exercise seems rather childish. If that's the case, then _all_ amateur racing for all time is and has been childish...and amateur sports, and all hobbies, and so on. Why would you waste time with paint and canvas when a camera is so much faster, easier, and accurate? And isn't that the point, after all? To have some fun? I mean, these guys have built the fastest '60s-era Mustang _ever,_ and it's an electric vehicle. In what alternate universe is that _not_ effin' awesome? And why would you ever want to visit that universe, let alone live there? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/34e40e99/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
You are putting energy into the pavement when you walk pavegen tiles or not. You apply force to the pavement when you transfer your body weight from one foot to the foot hitting the pavement. The bonds in the molecules making up the pavement supply a reaction force by stretching ever so slightly, then relaxing back as you transfer weight to the other foot. Mechanical work is done to displace the atoms and stretch the bonds. I imagine they just use some sort of piezo device to utilize about the same energy with a somewhat larger displacement, so you likely wouldn't notice the difference. Seems it would be relatively high cost/Wh. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676498.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: $27k Chevy Spark EV price cut to encourage sales
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/13881 Test Drive: Price cut for Chevy's electric car sparks sales By Ann M. Job The Associated Press Jun. 20, 2015 [image http://www.providencejournal.com/storyimage/PJ/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/AR/0/AR-150629955.jpg The Chevrolet Spark EV is the lowest-priced 2015 electric car with two rows of seats offered in the U.S. by a major auto manufacturer. Chevrolet | http://www.providencejournal.com/storyimage/PJ/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/EP/1/1/EP-150629955.jpg The interior can seem spartan, but rear-seat legroom and headroom are decent.Chevrolet ] It took a price cut to generate a run on Chevrolet's 2015 Spark EV, with savvy car buyers realizing the lower price combined with the federal electric vehicle tax credit can make for a super deal. Chevrolet lowered the starting retail price for the plucky subcompact electric car to $25,995 last month, making it the lowest-priced 2015 electric car with two rows of seats offered in the U.S. by a major auto manufacturer. With the $7,500 tax credit, the purchase price can wind up at just $18,495 — akin to the price of a gasoline-powered small car like the Honda Fit EX. There also are the savings the Spark provides: $80 or more a month on gas, according to the manufacturer, because the car uses only electricity. Even buyers who would prefer to lease the Spark EV can get in on the deal with Chevrolet's $139-a-month lease program that requires no down payment. Now, the downside: It has a limited range of 82 miles on a full charge and can take seven hours to fully charge even with a 240-volt charger. The Spark EV is also sold in only two states: California and Oregon, with Maryland to be added this summer. Still, the appeal was quickly apparent as the Spark EV outsold the better-known and widely available Chevrolet Volt (starting retail price: $35,170) in April. Total sales of Spark EVs in April were small, 920, but far more than the 97 sold in January and more than the 905 Volts sold in April. The federal tax credit isn't directly taken off the purchase price of the Spark EV, but instead from a buyer's U.S. income taxes for the year the car is purchased. So, the tax credit generally won't be seen until next income tax season. The Spark EV's starting manufacturer's retail price and destination charge include power windows and door locks, keyless start, cruise control, air conditioning and Chevy MyLink entertainment system. The best-selling electric car in the United States last year — the larger compact Nissan Leaf — has a starting MSRP, including destination charge, of $29,860 for a base S model. The Spark EV has a better gasoline-equivalent fuel economy rating than the Leaf: 119 to 114. But the Leaf, which has an 84-mile range on a single charge, is available in more states than the Spark EV. Meantime, the second best-selling electric car in 2014 was the Tesla Model S, which has a $76,200 base retail price and a travel range of at least 240 miles on a single charge. The Spark EV is not for everyone. The interior can seem spartan, even in the tested 2LT trim level. Front and rear seats were covered in a faux leather that felt like thick plastic, and the seats seemed smallish and had flat cushions. Rear door entryways were small, too, as the rear wheel wells cut into the doorways. But rear-seat legroom and headroom are decent, and there's 23.4 cubic feet of cargo space when back seats are folded down. The driver has a pull-down center arm rest, though there are no covered storage spots between the front seats and rear seats. All seat adjustments were manual in the test Spark EV. The test Spark had good acceleration and merged well into traffic, thanks to a class-leading 327 ft.-lbs. of torque. Chevrolet puts the 0-to-60-mph time at 7.2 seconds. The electric power steering gave the Spark EV a bit of a go-kart feel, as response was decently quick. The tidy, 33.8-foot turning circle made U-turns a breeze, and the Spark's diminutive 12.2-foot length from bumper to bumper meant it could fit into curbside parking spots that SUVs and large sedans had to pass up. The Spark EV, however, was easily buffeted by winds — and even a passing semi while sitting at a stoplight. The Spark weighs just 2,866 pounds. The 7-inch display screen in the middle of the dashboard worked easily with a smartphone and was reminiscent of the screen and controls in the higher-priced Volt. There was no rearview camera, but 10 air bags are standard. The Spark EV is designed as a city car and does best in short, non-highway trips. A nice feature in the configurable instrument cluster is it can show both high and low range for a trip, so a driver can adjust his or her driving style. There's a Sport mode in the Spark EV that adds more pep and response, but can reduce travel range. The brakes worked quickly to stop the test car in emergency stops. The ride was firm, not cushioned,
[EVDL] EVent: Tesla EV @Open-Air/farmers Market each-Sat Lake-Forest-IL
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83835293/
Outdoor market broadens offerings in fifth year
Mark Lawton, Pioneer Press June 21, 2015
[image] / Denys Bucksten, Pioneer Press Meg Nemickas of Lake Forest
surveys boxes of produce at the Food Share booth at an open air market
Saturday, June 20, in Lake Forest.
The farmers market in Lake Forest has a new name, electric cars and music as
it heads into its fifth year.
Instead of the Lake Forest Farmers Market, it will now be known as the Open
Air Market. There will still be five farmers — six if you count produce from
the Lake Forest College student garden — but organizers say they are aiming
for more variety ...
Tesla will display an electric car at the market every Saturday and
musicians will play live each week ...
The Open Air Market runs from June 20 to Oct. 10 from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. at
the east Lake Forest Metra station parking lot. Parking is free.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
Yes, you are applying force to traditional pavement. However, because of its stiffness, that force is equally reflected back into your foot. That causes your heel to drop while the ball of your foot essentially stays stationary. As well, when you begin your next step, the ball of your foot does not sink down, as it would with a pavegen tile. With the pavegen, you will have to exert extra energy to overcome the sinkage. Another way to look at it is that there is conservation of energy - no over unity energy. Peri -- Original Message -- From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 25-Jun-15 8:16:13 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v) You are putting energy into the pavement when you walk pavegen tiles or not. You apply force to the pavement when you transfer your body weight from one foot to the foot hitting the pavement. The bonds in the molecules making up the pavement supply a reaction force by stretching ever so slightly, then relaxing back as you transfer weight to the other foot. Mechanical work is done to displace the atoms and stretch the bonds. I imagine they just use some sort of piezo device to utilize about the same energy with a somewhat larger displacement, so you likely wouldn't notice the difference. Seems it would be relatively high cost/Wh. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676498.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D
Ben Goren wrote: This whole exercise seems rather childish. If that's the case, then _all_ amateur racing for all time is and has been childish...and amateur sports, and all hobbies, and so on. Why would you waste time with paint and canvas when a camera is so much faster, easier, and accurate? And isn't that the point, after all? To have some fun? I mean, these guys have built the fastest '60s-era Mustang _ever,_ and it's an electric vehicle. In what alternate universe is that _not_ effin' awesome? And why would you ever want to visit that universe, let alone live there? David's point, I believe is that the exercise of pitting a highly modified, purpose-built drag racer against a production car is rather childish, not necessarily that building and racing the Mustang is. As you admit, the outcome of such a matchup was hardly ever in doubt; this is what makes it childish. Likewise, it would be hardly surprising if the Tesla and Zombie222 were but on a road course and the Tesla bested the Zombie222; after all, the Zombie has been optimised to accelerate as quickly as possible in a straight line on a flat surface for 1320ft: period. Put the Zombie222 up against similarly purpose-built ICE or EV drag racers; the outcome of *that* matchup would be entirely relevant and unchildish. Cheers, Roger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Voltage sensing shut off switch
damon henry via EV wrote: Thanks Lee, This is just the type of solution I was hoping to find. You're welcome. Glad to help. :-) My 12 hour spring wound timer died, and they did not have another one at Home Depot so I bought one of these instead. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Belkin-WeMo-Switch-F7C027fc/203536127 Cheap, and looks pretty versatile. But the reviews were not encouraging. Seems like people have trouble with its reliability. I also couldn't find ANY ratings for the device. Given its small size, I would expect the switching device inside is not good for high current. Everything in their advertising talks about lights and other low-power loads. Could be problems with something you want to be SURE will turn off your charger. Let us know how it works out! -- If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? -- Albert Einstein -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D
Roger wrote - Likewise, it would be hardly surprising if the Tesla and Zombie222 were but on a road course and the Tesla bested the Zombie222; after all, the Zombie has been optimised to accelerate as quickly as possible in a straight line on a flat surface for 1320ft: period. Put the Zombie222 up against similarly purpose-built ICE or EV drag racers; the outcome of *that* matchup would be entirely relevant and unchildish. Put the Zombie222 up against similarly purpose-built ICE or EV [] drag racers; the outcome of *that* matchup would be entirely relevant and unchildish.[] Yes that would be 'interesting', the Zombie222 is Designed for street or track competition and I'm sure that there are enough Tesla's in the Zombie222's neighborhood so that at least one would take on the challenge, and there is Harris Hill Raceway in San Marcos, close to Austin, or even the Circuit of the America's in Austin itself... It could be called 'the Grownup Race', or 'the Quiet Race'. Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
tomw via EV wrote: You are putting energy into the pavement when you walk pavegen tiles or not. Yes; but you get almost all that energy back. The pavement is staying within its elastic limit, and bounces back to its original shape -- i.e. it is not permanently deforming. Energy is force times distance. The force is your body weight. The distance is how far the surface you step on moves. When the distance is tiny (like walking on pavement), the corresponding energy is also tiny. For this concept to work, the surface you step on has to move a lot. Then the force x distance produces to a more useful amount of work. But, now you are always walking uphill, because where your foot is now is (say) 1 lower than where you are about to place your next foot. You're always stepping up out of a hole. -- If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? -- Albert Einstein -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foottraffic (v)
Hi Tom, Agreed on the high cost for what it delivers - I see it mostly as a gimmick. If you look at the big picture: pedestrian is walking and the street under his foot delivers energy. That (extra!) energy must be produced by the pedestrian, so he has to exert this extra effort. I estimate that when you step on this tile, it sinks about 1/2 inch while generating power. The feeling is likely similar to walking on dry sand where your foot sinks into the sand on every step. Another way to see this is that even though the pavement might be level, you are constantly walking slightly uphill - that is how the extra energy is produced by these tiles. You could add this or an electromagnet version of it under a freeway so that every passing vehicle will be slowed down a little when passing and generates electricity for you, but I doubt that drivers will be happy that you increase their fuel consumption just so that you can generate a little electricity for your own benefit. Now, if you would turn this around and equip your own shoes with it then you are not bothering everyone else while generating power, you will just have to exert that extra energy while walking everywhere... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 -Original Message- From: EV on behalf of tomw via EV Sent: Thu 6/25/2015 8:16 AM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foottraffic (v) You are putting energy into the pavement when you walk pavegen tiles or not. You apply force to the pavement when you transfer your body weight from one foot to the foot hitting the pavement. The bonds in the molecules making up the pavement supply a reaction force by stretching ever so slightly, then relaxing back as you transfer weight to the other foot. Mechanical work is done to displace the atoms and stretch the bonds. I imagine they just use some sort of piezo device to utilize about the same energy with a somewhat larger displacement, so you likely wouldn't notice the difference. Seems it would be relatively high cost/Wh. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676498.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4364 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/234cf426/attachment.bin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Fire York.uk Optare Versa ParkRide ebus 'thermal incident'
http://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/1653838/listen--first-york-praises-drivers-actions-in-bus-fire-incident/
LISTEN: First York praises driver's actions in bus fire incident
25th June 2015
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audio
http://cml.sad.ukrd.com/audio/429886.mp3
LISTEN: Julian Rudd Eyewitness tells 104.7 Minster FM what he saw
http://cml.sad.ukrd.com/audio/429888.mp3
LISTEN: Ben Gilligan MD of First York - says the driver was a superstar
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The driver of a First York Park and Ride has been praised for the way they
dealt with a fire on an electrict bus in Stonebow this lunchtime.
At approximately 11.45 am today an electric vehicles on Service 9 from Monks
Cross travelling into York was involved in a thermal incident on Stonebow in
York.
The driver was alerted by a warning light and immediately stopped the
vehicle in a safe location. He quickly evacuated the vehicle carrying
approximately a dozen customers.
There are no reported injuries.
Stonebow is currently closed to deal with the incident and there are reports
of traffic now building up in the area due to diversions.
Neil Ferris, assistant director for Transport at City of York Council,
added:
“Our primary concern is the safety and wellbeing of passengers and although
it’s not clear what caused the fire, we have asked First Bus, as the
operator of the ParkRide service, to investigate this incident as a matter
of urgency.”
First York Statement in full
At approximately 11.45 am today one of our electric vehicles on service 9
travelling into York was involved in a thermal incident on Stonebow in York.
Our driver was alerted by a warning light and immediately stopped the
vehicle in a safe location. He quickly evacuated the vehicle carrying
approximately a dozen customers. There are no reported injuries.
The incident was attended by the emergency services and the vehicle was
recovered at approximately 1.15pm.
An immediate investigation has been launched.
Will Pearson, Business Manager of First York said, I'd like to thank our
driver and the emergency services for their swift action in evacuating
customers and bringing this incident under control.
Thermal incidents are rare but very serious. We have launched an immediate
evacuation into the cause of the incident.
Neil Ferris, assistant director for Transport at City of York Council, said:
it was clearly a distressing incident but the actions of the bus driver
prevented any serious casualties.First
[© Minster FM 2015]
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http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/local-stories/passengers-escape-bus-fire-in-city-centre-1-7328037
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33273548
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http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13353555.Bus_fire_in_York___Witnesses_tell_of_explosion___Stonebow_re_opened___electric_fleet_to_remain_on_the_road___UPDATED_3_10pm/
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http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/13353555.Bus_on_fire_in_York___Witnesses_tell_of_explosion___Businesses_evacuated___UPDATED_12_40pm/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_park_and_ride
York Park and Ride services
https://www.york.gov.uk/parking/ride/
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http://www.eurotransportmagazine.com/16170/news/industry-news/new-fleet-of-fully-electric-buses-for-park-ride-scheme/
New fleet of fully electric buses for Park Ride scheme
20 May 2015 ... six new Optare Versas buses have been introduced ...
http://media.eurotransportmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/New-fully-electric-fleet-of-buses-for-Park-Ride-scheme-2.jpg
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http://www.optare.com/news/2015/5/19/more-electric-optare-versas-for-york
The UK’s top ParkRide (PR) service is further expanding its offer to
customers by introducing a new fully electric fleet of Optare buses at
Monks Cross ParkRide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optare_Versa
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http://www.optare.com/versa
Optare Versa
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http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/business/news/13347930.Optare_impresses_Swedish_transport_operators_with_electric_bus_offering/
Optare impresses Swedish transport operators with electric bus ...
Jun 23, 2015
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Re: [EVDL] Voltage sensing shut off switch
The Wemo is a work in progress, but I think most of the negative reviews have or can be addressed with firmware updates. The one I bought off the shelf needed to be updated before I had the count down timer functionality I was after. Having an internet connected device does have advantages including the ability to easily upgrade. I believe I checked the ratings before I bought it and found it rated at 15 amps. I don't remember specifically where I found that, but I would not have bought it otherwise. damon Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:29:12 -0500 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Voltage sensing shut off switch From: ev@lists.evdl.org damon henry via EV wrote: Thanks Lee, This is just the type of solution I was hoping to find. You're welcome. Glad to help. :-) My 12 hour spring wound timer died, and they did not have another one at Home Depot so I bought one of these instead. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Belkin-WeMo-Switch-F7C027fc/203536127 Cheap, and looks pretty versatile. But the reviews were not encouraging. Seems like people have trouble with its reliability. I also couldn't find ANY ratings for the device. Given its small size, I would expect the switching device inside is not good for high current. Everything in their advertising talks about lights and other low-power loads. Could be problems with something you want to be SURE will turn off your charger. Let us know how it works out! -- If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research, would it? -- Albert Einstein -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/de47388d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)
is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150625/8f08b63b/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $27k Chevy Spark EV price cut to encourage sales
The I-MiEV is $22 thousand something. I don't know who writes this garbage Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:01 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/13881 Test Drive: Price cut for Chevy's electric car sparks sales By Ann M. Job The Associated Press Jun. 20, 2015 [image http://www.providencejournal.com/storyimage/PJ/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/AR/0/AR-150629955.jpg The Chevrolet Spark EV is the lowest-priced 2015 electric car with two rows of seats offered in the U.S. by a major auto manufacturer. Chevrolet | http://www.providencejournal.com/storyimage/PJ/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/EP/1/1/EP-150629955.jpg The interior can seem spartan, but rear-seat legroom and headroom are decent.Chevrolet ] It took a price cut to generate a run on Chevrolet's 2015 Spark EV, with savvy car buyers realizing the lower price combined with the federal electric vehicle tax credit can make for a super deal. Chevrolet lowered the starting retail price for the plucky subcompact electric car to $25,995 last month, making it the lowest-priced 2015 electric car with two rows of seats offered in the U.S. by a major auto manufacturer. With the $7,500 tax credit, the purchase price can wind up at just $18,495 — akin to the price of a gasoline-powered small car like the Honda Fit EX. There also are the savings the Spark provides: $80 or more a month on gas, according to the manufacturer, because the car uses only electricity. Even buyers who would prefer to lease the Spark EV can get in on the deal with Chevrolet's $139-a-month lease program that requires no down payment. Now, the downside: It has a limited range of 82 miles on a full charge and can take seven hours to fully charge even with a 240-volt charger. The Spark EV is also sold in only two states: California and Oregon, with Maryland to be added this summer. Still, the appeal was quickly apparent as the Spark EV outsold the better-known and widely available Chevrolet Volt (starting retail price: $35,170) in April. Total sales of Spark EVs in April were small, 920, but far more than the 97 sold in January and more than the 905 Volts sold in April. The federal tax credit isn't directly taken off the purchase price of the Spark EV, but instead from a buyer's U.S. income taxes for the year the car is purchased. So, the tax credit generally won't be seen until next income tax season. The Spark EV's starting manufacturer's retail price and destination charge include power windows and door locks, keyless start, cruise control, air conditioning and Chevy MyLink entertainment system. The best-selling electric car in the United States last year — the larger compact Nissan Leaf — has a starting MSRP, including destination charge, of $29,860 for a base S model. The Spark EV has a better gasoline-equivalent fuel economy rating than the Leaf: 119 to 114. But the Leaf, which has an 84-mile range on a single charge, is available in more states than the Spark EV. Meantime, the second best-selling electric car in 2014 was the Tesla Model S, which has a $76,200 base retail price and a travel range of at least 240 miles on a single charge. The Spark EV is not for everyone. The interior can seem spartan, even in the tested 2LT trim level. Front and rear seats were covered in a faux leather that felt like thick plastic, and the seats seemed smallish and had flat cushions. Rear door entryways were small, too, as the rear wheel wells cut into the doorways. But rear-seat legroom and headroom are decent, and there's 23.4 cubic feet of cargo space when back seats are folded down. The driver has a pull-down center arm rest, though there are no covered storage spots between the front seats and rear seats. All seat adjustments were manual in the test Spark EV. The test Spark had good acceleration and merged well into traffic, thanks to a class-leading 327 ft.-lbs. of torque. Chevrolet puts the 0-to-60-mph time at 7.2 seconds. The electric power steering gave the Spark EV a bit of a go-kart feel, as response was decently quick. The tidy, 33.8-foot turning circle made U-turns a breeze, and the Spark's diminutive 12.2-foot length from bumper to bumper meant it could fit into curbside parking spots that SUVs and large sedans had to pass up. The Spark EV, however, was easily buffeted by winds — and even a passing semi while sitting at a stoplight. The Spark weighs just 2,866 pounds. The 7-inch display screen in the middle of the dashboard worked easily with a smartphone and was reminiscent of the screen and controls in the higher-priced Volt. There was no rearview camera, but 10 air bags are standard. The Spark EV is designed as a city car and does best in short, non-highway trips. A nice feature in the configurable instrument cluster is it can show both high and low range
Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)
Here's my observation I received my cells and new the measured 3.3 volts. 16 months later when I put then in the vehicle they measured 3.298 and 3.297. Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One last question and then I prefer not to extend this subject any longer since it appears beaten to death: Paul and Michael, Did you guys actually *measure* Li-Ion cells over extended period to verify if they show self-discharge or not? Because the interesting thing is that self-discharge is not only well defined (so it must be an issue) but it appears that everyone who measured Li-Ion cells over extended time periods (and not just a quick voltage check that they still had juice) is convinced that they do show self-discharge. To me, it seems to be the classical case of “in theory, there should be no difference between practice and theory. In practice, however…”. Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130private: cvandewater.info http://www.cvandewater.info www.proxim.com http://www.proxim.com/ This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. From: Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:30 AM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery) I think this is going to come down to semantics and word definition. I bet Popov never looks into self discharge because it is a basic non existent occurrence in lithium ion batteries. Which is what Paul Dove and I have been saying. I saw in the paper linked by Cor that he used self discharge referring to capacity loss. Here is Dr. Popov's website: http://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/engineering_and_computing/faculty-staff/popovbranko.php http://sc.edu/study/colleges_schools/engineering_and_computing/faculty-staff/popovbranko.php I went through the occurrences of lithium in the list and copied them for your edification below. I will pull out the ones that seem pertinent to self discharge and capacity loss in a separate posting. Mostly that is not what Popov is concerned with. *snip* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150620/977f30e9/attachment.htm -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 10048 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150620/977f30e9/attachment.png ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
/It's irrelevant to study the amount of displacement. The important fact is that what ever energy is produced came from a person's expenditure! I think, other than for a novel experience, most people would abhor trudging around on energy sucking pavement./ Abhor it? Really? I can see abhoring genocide, or nuclear war, but loosing a small amount of energy each step? Myself, I regularly hike 10 - 20 miles and 3000 - 6000 ft elevation gain, some of it through loose granite and/or talus where it is one step up, 1/2 step down, for the fun of it. I don't really think the energy loss to pavegen would bother me all that much. Yes, I do understand conservation of energy Cor, no need to elaborate. A 1/2 displacement would certainly be noticeable. I was thinking it might be more like an order of magnitude less, and only a very small amount of energy gained with each step, requiring high traffic to amount to much energy. So with small displacement and small energy it would hardly be noticed. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676517.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)
So do I - hike, climb (sometimes on loose talus). But there's a difference between climbing for fun (and in nature) and walking around home or work on a daily basis. Just look at how many people won't even walk 5 blocks to the grocery! Don't believe me? Ask around. Peri -- Original Message -- From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 25-Jun-15 5:55:00 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v) /It's irrelevant to study the amount of displacement. The important fact is that what ever energy is produced came from a person's expenditure! I think, other than for a novel experience, most people would abhor trudging around on energy sucking pavement./ Abhor it? Really? I can see abhoring genocide, or nuclear war, but loosing a small amount of energy each step? Myself, I regularly hike 10 - 20 miles and 3000 - 6000 ft elevation gain, some of it through loose granite and/or talus where it is one step up, 1/2 step down, for the fun of it. I don't really think the energy loss to pavegen would bother me all that much. Yes, I do understand conservation of energy Cor, no need to elaborate. A 1/2 displacement would certainly be noticeable. I was thinking it might be more like an order of magnitude less, and only a very small amount of energy gained with each step, requiring high traffic to amount to much energy. So with small displacement and small energy it would hardly be noticed. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-pavegen-com-tiles-charge-EV-from-human-foot-traffic-v-tp4676441p4676517.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
