Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Wow, I read the review very differently. I saw no negativity on anything 
related to it being an EV.

The reviewer just thought it was cheaply made throughout.



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>> On 21 Oct 2015 at 3:04, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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>> In my week with the car, the
>> meter consistently showed 72 miles and I observed mile-per-mile equal to the
>> meter.
> 
> And then the author quickly moves on to bash the car further, instead of 
> noting that range meter accuracy is something of a holy grail among EVs.
> 
>> The 0-60 time for the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is in the 13-15 second range. 
> 
> How times change - or is it just perceptions that do?  I remember 1976, when 
> Volkwagen advertisements bragged about the 12-second 0-60 time for their 
> (ICEV) Rabbit.  
> 
> I don't dispute the review overall, but I think it could have been a little 
> more positive.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:
 
> "We can't build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I'd love to."

I'll bet Elon Musk LOVES reading statements like that.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> “We can’t build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I’d love to.”

I _still_ say this would be a major tipping point.

And I don't buy that Nissan, maker of the world's best-selling full-sized 
electric vehicle, can't make an high performance electric vehicle. The cheapest 
GT-R listed on Nissan's Web site is six figures. With that kind of budget, any 
competent hobbyist can do an electric conversion of a classic sports car that 
would mop the floor with any of Nissan's GT-Rs. And do it with Leaf battery 
modules, too!

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial 
> installations.  My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

Hmmm...I may well be confused.

I just checked my panel.

Most of the regular outlets have 15A breakers. The one for the shop that I 
thought was 30A is 20A. The patio has a 30A breaker. Appliances have 20A, 30A, 
or 50A breakers as necessary.

I know I've got unconnected wire going to an empty box ready for at least a 30A 
circuit at the outside corner where I'll be plugging in the EV...I had an 
electrician string that when he was doing some other work and before the attic 
insulation was blown in

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Oct 2015 at 10:48, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

> This some over-unity reference?

>From the EVDL conventions ( http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv )

"Don't post about overunity devices, magnetic motors, free energy, perpetual 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:03 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
wrote:

>> "We can't build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I'd love to."
> 
> I'll bet Elon Musk LOVES reading statements like that.

I don't think he does. Tesla shareholders focused on quarterly earnings 
statements likely do, but I think Musk himself would much prefer a world in 
which ICEV manufacturers made a rapid transition to EVs than one in which Tesla 
remained the dominant player in a niche market.

Never mind the electrification of Teslas; ignoring the drivetrain, they're 
cranking out innovations left and right that could just as well go in ICEVs but 
which still set Teslas beyond the competition. Even if Teslas had a 
conventional drivetrain they'd be the talk of the town.

If all the major manufacturers went electric overnight, Tesla would still be 
every bit as competitive as they are today...but we would _all_ breathe 
easier

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Curt Coleman <earlycole...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interested in a no battery solution?

Huh?

This some over-unity reference?

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
In residences it is indeed uncommon to see the "cross-blade" 20A outlet
(NEMA 5-20), it is common to see the two straight blades of a NEMA 5-15 
even if wired from a 20A circuit. That is how it is in my home.
Walk into a commercial building (checking the kitchen and the cubicles
at work) it is still common to see the NEMA 5-15 but occasionally there
will be an outlet that allows either 5-15 or 5-20 plug.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC 
Quick-Charging Matter

On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

> True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial 
> installations.  My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

Hmmm...I may well be confused.

I just checked my panel.

Most of the regular outlets have 15A breakers. The one for the shop that I 
thought was 30A is 20A. The patio has a 30A breaker. Appliances have 20A, 30A, 
or 50A breakers as necessary.

I know I've got unconnected wire going to an empty box ready for at least a 30A 
circuit at the outside corner where I'll be plugging in the EV...I had an 
electrician string that when he was doing some other work and before the attic 
insulation was blown in

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Roland via EV
   
You can install a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt rated receptacle on a 20 amp circuit 
breaker.  The continuous rated ampere load is 12 amps on the 15 amp receptacle 
and 16 amps on the 20 amp receptacle which is 80% of the device and/or circuit 
breaker. 

 

For both 15 and 20 amp receptacles, the minimum size wire is No. 12 AWG rated 
at 60 C.  for a length of circuit of 42 feet.  A higher temperature rated wire 
in the 90 C to 115 C range, we run up to 50 feet. The volt drop shall not go 
below 1% for lighting and up to 3% for power circuits. 

 

If the circuit distance to 20 amp receptacle is over 50 feet up to 70 feet 
total, we will a 30 amp rated wire, a No. 10 AWG 90 C. rated copper wire for 
the first 50 feet and 20 amp rated wire, a No. 12 AWG 90 C. rated copper for 
the next 20 feet or you could run the 30 amp rated wire for the entire length 
of 70 feet for a maximum of 16 amp load on a 20 amp circuit breaker. 

 

You have to calculated the maximum voltage drop of a wire which is between 1 to 
3 percent of the incoming unloaded voltage at the circuit breaker to the actual 
voltage at the load end. 

 

A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that the 
wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70 foot 
run for a 1 percent voltage drop. 

 

Roland   


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On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote:

> True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial 
> installations.  My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

Hmmm...I may well be confused.

I just checked my panel.

Most of the regular outlets have 15A breakers. The one for the shop that I 
thought was 30A is 20A. The patio has a 30A breaker. Appliances have 20A, 30A, 
or 50A breakers as necessary.

I know I've got unconnected wire going to an empty box ready for at least a 30A 
circuit at the outside corner where I'll be plugging in the EV...I had an 
electrician string that when he was doing some other work and before the attic 
insulation was blown in

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Roland <e...@msn.com> wrote:

> A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that 
> the wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70 
> foot run for a 1 percent voltage drop.

I don't remember the actual gauge wire he ran -- this was a few years ago -- 
but I do remember that there was a calculation based on current and length and 
the rest, and that the cost of the wire was significant.

I'll find out when I finally have an outlet hooked up to the connectionless box 
he put in, but I'm reasonably confident I won't be cursing him when that time 
comes.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
I am sure this practice is not followed everywhere,
in a previous building if I plugged my EV in to charge at level 1
from a 120V outlet in the front of the building, the actual outlet 
voltage dropped from 120V to 105V (measured at the duplex contacts) 
and my underrated extension cord added another 15V drop so I would 
only get 90V at the charger, so this 1400W charger was drawing 
over 15A in an attempt to still get the power through that 1 + 1 Ohm 
voltage drop that was passing for wiring!
Moved the car around the back plugged into an outlet near the 
transformer serving the building and got close to 120V and less
than 12A current draw...

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Roland via EV
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:08 PM
To: Ben Goren; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC 
Quick-Charging Matter

   
You can install a 15 or 20 amp 125 volt rated receptacle on a 20 amp circuit 
breaker.  The continuous rated ampere load is 12 amps on the 15 amp receptacle 
and 16 amps on the 20 amp receptacle which is 80% of the device and/or circuit 
breaker. 

 

For both 15 and 20 amp receptacles, the minimum size wire is No. 12 AWG rated 
at 60 C.  for a length of circuit of 42 feet.  A higher temperature rated wire 
in the 90 C to 115 C range, we run up to 50 feet. The volt drop shall not go 
below 1% for lighting and up to 3% for power circuits. 

 

If the circuit distance to 20 amp receptacle is over 50 feet up to 70 feet 
total, we will a 30 amp rated wire, a No. 10 AWG 90 C. rated copper wire for 
the first 50 feet and 20 amp rated wire, a No. 12 AWG 90 C. rated copper for 
the next 20 feet or you could run the 30 amp rated wire for the entire length 
of 70 feet for a maximum of 16 amp load on a 20 amp circuit breaker. 

 

You have to calculated the maximum voltage drop of a wire which is between 1 to 
3 percent of the incoming unloaded voltage at the circuit breaker to the actual 
voltage at the load end. 

 

A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that the 
wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70 foot 
run for a 1 percent voltage drop. 

 

Roland   


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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:43 AM

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Quick-Charging Matter



On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote:

> True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial 
> installations.  My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

Hmmm...I may well be confused.

I just checked my panel.

Most of the regular outlets have 15A breakers. The one for the shop that I 
thought was 30A is 20A. The patio has a 30A breaker. Appliances have 20A, 30A, 
or 50A breakers as necessary.

I know I've got unconnected wire going to an empty box ready for at least a 30A 
circuit at the outside corner where I'll be plugging in the EV...I had an 
electrician string that when he was doing some other work and before the attic 
insulation was blown in

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[EVDL] Cool 'Back to the Future' Totoya FCV commercial...

2015-10-21 Thread Ing. Marco Gaxiola via EV
Although I'm not fan of the 'Fool Cell'; this commercial is really good, and
the way they fool the people about using trash to produce biomass to product
(don't know what) to produce hydrogen to put it into their cars...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFyY7_hc-14

 

Good for their marketing area...

 

 

 

Ing. Marco Gaxiola

Director General 

Juarez #18, Col. Bachoco

Tel: (662)301.1070

Skype: info.energyev

 <http://www.energyev.com/> www.energyev.com 

 

 



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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Oct 2015 at 3:04, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

>  In my week with the car, the
> meter consistently showed 72 miles and I observed mile-per-mile equal to the
> meter.

And then the author quickly moves on to bash the car further, instead of 
noting that range meter accuracy is something of a holy grail among EVs.

> The 0-60 time for the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is in the 13-15 second range. 

How times change - or is it just perceptions that do?  I remember 1976, when 
Volkwagen advertisements bragged about the 12-second 0-60 time for their 
(ICEV) Rabbit.  

I don't dispute the review overall, but I think it could have been a little 
more positive.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Oct 2015 at 22:41, SLPinfo.org via EV wrote:

> They have been debating since day 1 whether to add a 220v outlet in their
> garage. The debate is because it would be an expensive install (awkward
> placement of breaker box, not in garage).

That can make a HUGE difference.  For my current house, getting 240v to the 
detached garage involved trenching for direct burial cable and installing a 
60a subpanel.  I probably couldn't have managed the cost if I'd had to hire 
a pro to do it.  Fortunately, I was able to do the work myself.

> they realized recently that they really don't need it.  110v charging
> seems to work just fine for their needs. 

Bravo!  It's good to hear that they're able to make it work that way.  I 
suspect that many people have the idea that they need expensive and complex 
wiring to use an EV, just because they've read that, and there are times 
that it's just not necessary.

Whether any given person or family can get by on low power charging depends 
on many factors.  How far do they drive daily?  How regular is that routine? 
 Are they always at home in the evening, with the EV charging, or do they go 
out often?  If the EV only charges when they're sleeping, how long is that - 
8 hours, 6, 5?  Is a second vehicle always available in case they need to 
make a trip when the EV isn't sufficiently charged?  

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[EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2015/10/16/mitsubishi-miev-america-lowest-cost-electric-for-reason/vl7y92uWJVpjEgPrKPHJcO/story.html
Mitsubishi i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost electric, for a reason
October 17, 2015  Keith Griffin

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2014 i-MiEV Silver

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]

You get what you pay for.

On a stand-alone basis, one could tolerate the 2016 Mitsubishi i-MiEV. With
nothing to compare it to, it’s not a bad little car and there is the added
appeal that it runs on electricity.

That was the case when it was introduced in 2012. Its only competition was
the Nissan Leaf, but so much has changed in the electric vehicle universe
since then. Unfortunately, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV has stood still and is
being outpaced by the competition.

Mitsubishi points out the i-MiEV is the least expensive electric vehicle on
the road with a starting price of $22,995 (before an $850 destination
charge). The company also cites the $7,500 federal tax credit. Massachusetts
has a $2,500 rebate available. You need to talk to a tax professional,
though, to understand how the tax credit and rebate work.

It’s the price of the batteries that turn what is basically a $12,000
vehicle into one with a price tag of $23,000. The Mitsubishi i-MiEV just
feels cheap with doors that seem to have the heft of cat food cans and an
interior filled with hard plastic surfaces. Mitsubishi might have been smart
to not seek the “lowest priced EV” title and instead funneled additional
upscale materials into this car even if it meant a higher MSRP.

Other sedans like the electric Ford Focus, Volkswagen eGolf, and the Nissan
Leaf cost more yet are substantially nicer inside. They also get additional
range, which justifies their higher prices.

For those interested in the numbers, the lithium-ion main drive battery pack
consists of 88 individual battery cells. Its total energy storage capacity
is 16 kWh. The EPA says it has a range of 62 miles. In my week with the car,
the meter consistently showed 72 miles and I observed mile-per-mile equal to
the meter.

My wife drove the Mitsubishi to work and back, a distance of about 46 miles
round trip. It went out with a full charge and came back with about 27 miles
left. She sacrificed air conditioning only because we weren’t sure if she
could use it and make it home. It turned out to be an unjustified concern.

Charging was at first confusing because the Mitsubishi i-MiEV has ports on
both sides of the car. One side is for the more traditional charging offered
at a home through either your standard household outlet or a more powerful
home charging station. The other is for high-speed charging.

The standard outlet will bring the car to full charge in 14 hours, but you
would have to be way down in juice to need that long. A Level 2 charging
station will get the job done in 7 hours. A high-speed charger can bring the
i-MiEV up to 80 percent charge in less than 30 minutes.

Once on the road, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV drives pleasantly enough. It has
three drive modes. D provides the highest performance. Eco gets you the most
bang for your charge while B helps you recharge your batteries through
regenerative braking. B is best used when you are braking frequently. On the
highway, you need to be in D to stand any chance of changing lanes. The 0-60
time for the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is in the 13-15 second range.

As mentioned, the interior of the Mitsubishi i-MiEV leaves a lot to be
desired but is not without some redeeming touches. The diamond patterned
seats are nice looking and the center stack is easy to use. The HVAC vents
and door handles are well designed.

One flaw is the instrument gauges. Too much space is devoted to a faux fuel
gauge that shows remaining charge. Because the miles-left gauge is what
people are going to rely on, it should be more prominent.

The model we drove had the optional navigation package for $2,000. It
includes a seven-inch screen and navigation package, hands-free link system
with Bluetooth, USB, redundant steering wheel controls, and rearview camera
system.

Without the nav package, the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is lacking in technology
beyond the heated seats. For conservation reasons, heated seats are a
must-have in any electric vehicle. They help reduce the need for
energy-draining heating that warms the entire cabin, even when the driver is
solo.

The Mitsubishi i-MiEV, while loaded with airbags, gets only four stars
overall from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Its
side crash rating is three stars. Those scores need to be higher in a
subcompact car.

THE BASICS Price, base (with destination): $23,845. Fuel economy
(equivalent): 126 city/99 highway/112 combined. Drivetrain: Single-speed
transmission electric vehicle. 

[EVDL] EVLN: £24.5k 2015 Nissan Leaf 30kWh review r:120mi

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/nissan/leaf/2015-nissan-leaf-30kwh-review/1367060
2015 Nissan Leaf 30kWh review
John Howell  Oct 17, 2015

The Nissan Leaf is the world's best-selling electric car, and this new 30kWh
version has a longer 155-mile range. We've been finding out what it's like
and what else is new

In case you’ve missed it, the electric revolution is underway. We’ve already
got electric super saloons such as the Tesla Model S ... If you want to
sign-up to this revolution but can’t afford their hefty price tags, the
Nissan Leaf 24kWh has offered you membership to the electric vehicle (EV)
club since 2010 - and still does, from just £20,790.

However, if the 24kWh version’s claimed range of 124 miles (which in the
real-world is nearer 70 to 80 miles) isn't enough for you, then you'll be
interested to hear that the world’s most popular EV can now go 25% farther.

It's thanks to the bigger battery in this new 30kWh model, which sits
alongside the existing line up. Nissan reckons it’ll manage a maximum of 155
miles on a single charge, which in general driving will be more like 100 to
120 miles.

The bigger battery is only available from the mid-level Acenta trim upwards,
so prices start from £24,490 if you include the £5000 government subsidy.
For that price you also get a warranty that covers the battery for up to
eight years or 100,000 miles. Curiously, the warranty for the 24kWh version
remains at five years or 60,000 miles.

It’s 21kg heavier than the 24kWh car, but that shouldn’t make too much
difference to how it feels on the road. Indeed, the performance is
identical, taking 11.5sec to reach 62mph, before heading to a top speed of
just under 90mph.

Whether you chose the existing 24kWh or the 30kWH version, all Leafs from
Acenta trim up benefit from an improved infotainment system called
Nissanconnect EV. This includes a DAB radio, 7.0in touchscreen and sat-nav,
plus a host of new features.

For instance, it can tell you how far you are from the nearest charging
point – of which there are currently an estimated 9384 spread across the UK,
including 500 30-minute rapid chargers - and whether or not it’s occupied.

Using an App on your smartphone you can also check remotely on the Leaf’s
charge status, or, if you’ve forgotten where you left it, locate it on a
map. On frosty mornings you can even use your phone to switch on the car’s
heater, making it nice and toasty before the morning commute.

There are alternatives to the Leaf, which includes the Kia Soul EV and the
Volkswagen e-Golf. However, with its new battery pack, neither can boast the
new range potential of the Nissan.

What’s the 2015 Nissan Leaf 30kWh like inside?

Apart from the infotainment it’s exactly the same as before. Up front the
seats provide the cushioning of a softly sprung armchair, but with plenty of
support for longer trips. You don’t get a reach adjustable steering wheel
and the driving seat is missing that last inch of travel to satisfy really
tall drivers, but nevertheless the Leaf still offers a decent driving
position.

Forward visibility is slightly restricted by the thick, angled windscreen
pillars. The wide rear pillars also limit your over-the-shoulder vision, but
the standard rear-parking camera means it’s not too much of an issue.

While the Leaf’s cabin is perfectly functional and well laid out, anyone
used to the plusher-feeling materials in an e-Golf or Soul EV will find the
Nissan a bit sparse; there’s hardly any soft-touch surfaces and a
proliferation of scratchy plastics. That said, Nissan’s excellent showing in
our latest reliability survey suggests it should be durable and withstand
the rigors of family use.

The new infotainment system is loaded with features and simple to use. It’s
got clear graphics and intuitive menus, and the only complaint is a slight
lag after pressing some of the onscreen icons.

In the rear the legroom is excellent bearing in mind the Leaf’s size, but
tall folks may find the headroom a bit tight. It’ll still fit two adults or
three kids, but they would have more room to relax in the back of the EV
Soul.

The Leaf does regain points for the biggest boot, though. There’s some
intrusion from the rear suspension mountings, but it’s still deep and easily
big enough to swallow a couple of pushchairs.

What’s the 2015 Nissan Leaf 30kWh like to drive?

If you think 0-62mph in 11.5sec sounds slow, you need to drive a Leaf before
passing judgment. EVs have an instantaneous surge off the line, which means
the Nissan feels sprightlier away from the lights than many regularly
powered hatchbacks. This makes zipping around town easy and fun, and only
when you get past 50mph does this sense of urgency begin to wane.

The other magical aspect of e-power is the serenity that ditching an
old-school combustion engine brings. Around town the Leaf’s as quiet as the
proverbial church mouse, while at higher speeds all you hear is mostly wind
and road noise.

There is a fair bit of suspension 

[EVDL] Thrice-stabbing thief of Leaf EVr comes to trial after 10 months

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://myedmondsnews.com/2015/10/trial-in-stabbing-of-dominos-pizza-employee-begins-monday/
Trial in stabbing of Domino’s Pizza employee begins Monday
October 18, 2015  Larry Vogel

[images  
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The stabbing took place behind this Domino’s Pizza location at 22914 Highway
99 in Edmonds
]

The trial of a 34-year-old Shoreline man in connection with the Jan. 17,
2015 stabbing of a Domino’s Pizza employee [
http://myedmondsnews.com/2015/01/edmonds-police-looking-suspect-stabbed-pizza-employee-highway-99-late-saturday
] begins Monday in Snohomish County Superior Court.

The suspect, Christopher V. Cowan, faces multiple charges including
attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and armed robbery in
connection with the incident that sent 40-year-old Mike Brenick to
Harborview with potentially life-threatening injuries.

According to charging documents, on the night in question Brenick parked his
electric vehicle behind his workplace located in the Brentwood Plaza strip
mall at 22914 Highway 99 in Edmonds near a power outlet in order to charge
the battery while he was at work.

Upon returning to the vehicle, he found a male inside the car who was
appearing to be taking property from it. Brenick opened the door, pulled him
out, and in the ensuing scuffle was stabbed three times. Brenick was rushed
to Harborview Hospital, where he underwent surgery for his injuries. He has
since been released, and according to Edmonds police is doing fine.

The assailant fled on foot. A K-9 track by Edmonds police — with assistance
from Lynnwood, Mountlake Terrace and Mill Creek police, the Snohomish County
Sheriff’s Office and the Washington State Patrol — was unable to locate him.
Subsequent investigation led police to Cowan, who was apprehended and
arrested on Jan. 21 while walking on Highway 99 [
http://myedmondsnews.com/2015/01/suspect-dominos-pizza-employee-stabbing-arrested-early-wednesday/
].

Formal charges of attempted first-degree murder, first-degree assault and
first-degree robbery were filed by the Snohomish County Prosecutor on Aug.
13.
[© myedmondsnews.com]
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EVLN: Thief twice-stabs pizza-delivering Leaf EV owner (v)
Jan 20 2015
...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV

'We can’t build an electric GT-R today. But I’d love to'

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/10/16/nissan-wants-build-electric-gtr/
Nissan would love to build an all-electric GT-R
Oct 16th 2015  Chris Bruce

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2016 GT-R 2016 Nissan GT-R [ice] MSRP $101,770

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]

As the current Nissan GT-R gets older, rumors seem to be popping up with
increasing frequency about what tech might be in store for the next
generation. Hopping right over all of that speculation, one Nissan exec is
now talking about his dreams for the company's halo model even further into
the future. Regardless of whether a hybrid GT-R could be on the way,
European EV Director Gareth Dunsmore thinks a fully electric version could
happen one day.

"I can't see a technical reason why we wouldn't be able to implement
electric vehicle technology in something like a performance vehicle,"
Dunsmore said to Top Gear. Although don't get too excited yet, Godzilla
fans. "We can't build an electric GT-R today," he admitted. "But do I want
to? I'd love to."

According to Dunsmore, there're still many steps before the GT-R could go
fully electric. The team and Nissan would need to prove than an EV could
really take on the best performance cars out there. "It needs to be a world
beater," he said to Top Gear.

The dream actually echoes rumors from years ago. As far back as 2010, Nissan
was reportedly at least toying with the idea of making the GT-R into an EV,
among some other options. The concern then was that Godzilla might be
silenced by tightening emissions standards.

In 2010, an electric GT-R was probably still too avant-garde to actually
happen, but things have changed. A Tesla Model S in Ludicrous mode can hit
60 in a claimed 2.8 seconds, and it's not designed to be a laser-focused
sports car. Imagine what could be possible, if Nissan aimed a production EV
solely for performance.
[© autoblog.com]
...
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/watch-out-tesla-all-electric-nissan-gt-r-could-be-coming
Watch out Tesla: the all-electric Nissan GT-R could be coming
Stephen Dobie  16 Oct 2015
...
http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/electric-vehicles/nissan-open-to-the-idea-of-building-electric-gt-r-131666/
Nissan open to the idea of building electric GT-R
by sourabhon  October 17, 2015
...
http://www.i4u.com/2015/10/95814/nissan-plans-build-all-electric-gt-r
Nissan Plans to Build an All-Electric GT-R
Oct 17 2015 | by M. Affan
...
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/nissan-would-love-an-electric-gt-r-ar171507.html
Nissan Would Love An Electric GT-R
10.16.2015  by Robert Moore ...
“We can’t build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I’d love to.”




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[EVDL] EVLN: 1,000th Renault Kangoo Z.E. e-Van Delivered To ERDF

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://insideevs.com/1000th-renault-kangoo-z-e-delivered-erdf/
1,000th Renault Kangoo Z.E. Delivered To ERDF
[2015/10/17]  by Mark Kane

[images  
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Renault Kangoo Z.E. electric vans in the fleet of ERDF

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Renault_47068_global_en-350x233.jpg
Renault Kangoo Z.E. e-van
]

ERDF, the French electric utility, reached a milestone of 1,000 Renault
Kangoo Z.E. all-electric vans in its fleet.  Pretty impressive indeed!

“ERDF chief Philippe Monloubou in person took delivery of number 1,000
on 25 September 2015 as it rolled out of the Renault MCA plant in Maubeuge.”

The plan for next year is to increase the number to 1,500 Kangoo ZEz and a
total of 2,000 electric cars, including other models in the fleet.

“ERDF, the company that manages France’s electricity distribution
network, is set to run one of the country’s largest electric vehicle fleets.
Under its ECOFLOT project, ERDF plans to have 2,000 electric vehicles
running by the end of 2016, including 1,500 Kangoo ZEs.”

But if you think that ERDF’s EV fleet is as big as it gets, think twice, as
no one can match La Poste, French post, which a year ago celebrated 5,000
Kangoo Z.E. electric vans in its fleet.
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[EVDL] EVLN: CEO sez Apple-poaching Killed SF's Mission Motors' e-motorcycle

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/19/mission-motorcycles-apple-poaching/
E-bike company blames Apple poaching for its demise
blogger-avatar by Steve Dent | Oct 19, 2015

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(e-motorcycle)
]

When promising EV company Mission Motorcycles went bankrupt last month, it
said that "we have not earned any cash (or) revenue of any kind." However,
it's now putting part of the blame on Apple, claiming that it poached
several of its top engineers at a critical time. Mission told Reuters that
an investor withdrew crucial funding after two of its key engineers left for
Apple, and the company ran out of cash shortly afterwards. "Mission had a
great group of of engineers... Apple knew that -- they wanted it, and they
went and got it," said CEO Derek Kaufman.

Apple has never acknowledged that it's even working on an electric car,
though it reportedly hired engineers away from established automakers. Tesla
CEO Elon Musk recently chided the company for the practice, saying that
"they have hired people we've fired." That said, Mission admitted that it
failed to find stable investors like rival Zero Motorcycles, despite
developing a pair of good-looking, high-performance E-bikes. And it was
clearly having troubles well before it went bankrupt, as it sued one of its
co-founders and delayed production numerous times.
[© engadget.com]



http://9to5mac.com/2015/10/19/apple-poaching-electric-vehicle-engineers-contributed-to-mission-motorcycles-bankruptcy-says-ceo/
Apple poaching electric vehicle engineers contributed to Mission
Motorcycles’ bankruptcy says CEO
Fred Lambert - 2015/10/19
...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/19/us-apple-motorcycle-idUSKCN0SD0ND20151019#
Apple's auto ambitions sideswipe electric motorcycle startup
Oct 19, 2015  SAN FRANCISCO | By Julia Love ... Some close to Mission Motors
said it had reached a point of no return by last fall, when departures to
Apple, and other companies, accelerated after a long struggle to find
funding and a sound business model ...
...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apple-car-poaching-killed-electric-motorcycle-start-up-says-ceo
Apple Car poaching killed electric motorcycle start-up, says CEO
by Sean Keach 19 October 2015
...
http://www.jewocity.com/blog/electric-motorcycle-startup-mission-motors-ceases-operations-after-losing/108151
Electric Motorcycle Startup Mission Motors Ceases Operations After Losing
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV
What I think Willie was saying is that the news site (URL) that he mentioned
did not allow comments, nor did I see a way to contact the writer. Some
media outlets shy-away-from/don't want to be bothered with allowing comments
nor responding to the writer.

But there is another way around this besides commenting here on the evdl.org
which is saved on archives that search engines will find. That is to search
using key words from the story's headline. I found one, that Willie could
place his experiences on:

http://www.topix.com/forum/autos/toyota/TB5I8VI6F22DG619T


Since there are going to be copy-cat re-postings of the same copy by other
media outlets calling it their own, Willie could search once a day for a few
days for those, so as to leave his comment on those as well. Use
https://www.google.com/search?q=i-MiEV+America’s+lowest+cost




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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost EV, for a reason

2015-10-21 Thread Willie2 via EV

On 10/21/2015 05:04 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


http://www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2015/10/16/mitsubishi-miev-america-lowest-cost-electric-for-reason/vl7y92uWJVpjEgPrKPHJcO/story.html
Mitsubishi i-MiEV is America’s lowest cost electric, for a reason
October 17, 2015  Keith Griffin
I wish I had found a place to publicly comment on this.  It does a 
horrible disservice to the imiev.  There are probably few people that 
have both a Tesla S and an imiev; I am one.


Yes, the imiev has rather crappy instrumentation.  Though not nearly as 
crappy as a Leaf.  Yes, the range is limited.  Other than those two 
items, I prefer to drive my imiev over the Tesla.  The load capacity is 
about 60% of that of the Tesla.  It is much easier to drive due to the 
smaller size.  It has door handles that work and it has sufficient 
ground clearance.  Two short comings of the Tesla.  I do love both my 
Tesla and my imiev but, if the imiev had a 200 mile range, I probably 
would not have the Tesla.


OTOH, I was very happy with my Leaf for the first 20k miles until Nissan 
refused to fix battery problems.  So far, I have only about 5k miles on 
the imiev and 65k miles on the Tesla.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial installations. 
 My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

On October 20, 2015 10:36:44 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV 
 wrote:
>On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
>
>>  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. 
>
>You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are
>
>wired this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare.  
>
>This is because the code has an exception allowing cheaper 15a-rated 
>receptacles on a 20a branch circuit, as long as there's more than one
>outlet 
>on the circuit.  If there's only one receptacle on the circuit, it must
>be a 
>20a-rated recept.  (Code experts argue over whether a duplex receptacle
>
>counts as one or two outlets.)
>
>IIRC, the code ALLOWS but doesn't REQUIRE 20a-rated receptacles on a 
>multiple-receptacle 20a branch circuit.  I installed 120v 20a recepts
>on the 
>branch circuit in my garage to allow for better EV charging, though I'm
>not 
>100% convinced that (once you're beyond the 50 cent bargain bin junk 
>receptacles) there's much difference between the guts of a 15a-rated
>recept 
>and those of a 20-a rated recept.
>
>One more note about this.  Because code limits sustained load on a
>branch 
>circuit to 80% of its maximum, you can charge at no more than 1920
>Watts 
>from a 120v 20a residential branch circuit.  If your EV gets 250 Wh/mi
>and 
>has a typical 80% charging efficiency, you gain just over 6 miles of
>range 
>per hour of charging.  If you sleep 8 hours and charge while you sleep,
>
>that's 48 miles you can drive per day.
>
>It could be more than that, since some switchmode chargers do better
>than 
>80% efficiency.  Also, staying below 80% SOC increases battery charging
>
>efficiency.  But that's a pretty good rule of thumb.
>
>You're much better off going with a 240v circuit and charger.  A 240v
>20a 
>circuit gives you 3840 Watts, for over 12 miles of range per hour of 
>charging - 96 miles overnight.
>
>A 50a range / welder circuit is an even better bet, as long as your
>charger 
>has the guts to use it.  That recept allows 9.6kW charging.  At that
>rate 
>the EV described above gains over 30 miles of range for each hour of 
>charging - about 245 miles overnight.
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
>EVDL Administrator
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