[EVDL] U.S. Prez (pro-tem), EVs, & the electricity they use

2016-11-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
>Folks, keep this thread on topic and non-partisan, please. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator< *Reminder: Political discussions are OT on the evdl The internet is of fire with any search using the U.S. Prez (pro-tem) name. Much like when there is a hot topic or an

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's > > > > > >>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >> I seriously wonder if the people on this list. who voted for trump realize >> the > >> mess that he is > > goi

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Folks, keep this thread on topic and non-partisan, please. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Impeachment: that would be a first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: Sent: 09-Nov-16 8:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
“Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night.” (Bette Davis, in "All about Eve") MANY imponderables are at work here. The major actors are used to playing their parts according to their party's script. They don't have to think; just act. When Bush took office in 2000, he could

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Robert Pike via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread David Nelson via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Hoegberg via EV
> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 16:22:48 -0800 > To: j...@k6ccc.org; ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's > From: ev@lists.evdl.org > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Jim Walls via EV wrote: > >> Not trying to agree or

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Jorg Brown via EV
n many levels. How many rooftop solar installers would rather mine coal?? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161109/d69d9230/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUB

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Jim wrote - > -Original Message- > From: Jim Walls [mailto:j...@k6ccc.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 4:43 PM > To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's > > Not trying to agree or disagree, but remember that one of the biggest

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread ROBERT via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
> > I seriously wonder if the people on this list. who voted for >trump >>>realize the >>> > mess that he is >>> going to put us in. >>> >>> Is that not the null set, serio

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Thos True via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> wrote: >>> > I seriously wonder if the people on this list. who voted for trump >>> realize the >>> > mess that he is >>> going to put us in. >>> >>> Is that not the null set, seriously? >&g

Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Thos True via EV
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2016-11-09 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
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[EVDL] Trump and EV's

2016-11-09 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Here's just one article about Turnip's view on climate change - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/09/trump-victo ry-reverses-u-s-energy-and-environmental-priorities/?tid=pm_business_pop_b "Although Trump has portrayed himself as the ultimate outsider, in putting

Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV's In Production

2016-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
I apologize for not following this thread diligently, so I'm probably missing a few things. Cor and Roger are doing a fine job, and I agree with their responses. I do have a couple of (hair-splitting) comments to add, though. ROBERT via EV wrote: Roger, let me try to clarify my concern...I

Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread ROBERT via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
ROBERT via EV wrote: > Roger, let me try to clarify my concern.  A person buys a third party > J1772 to NEMA adapter (made in China and made cheap).  The adapter has a > NEMA rated 20A plug.  The adapter does not produce a modified pilot > signal. Just to be clear, the adapter does not

Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread David Kerzel via EV
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Re: [EVDL] CheapL2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Wed Nov 09 08:07:14 PST 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >You are correct. If you install a 20A breaker or fuse in the adapter, then I >am OK with the adapter. What I am not OK with is using a circuit breaker to >protect an end device. Look at home appliances such as a coffee maker. UL

Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread ROBERT via EV
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2016-11-09 Thread ROBERT via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
But at the house end of the EVSE, It is still just a simple plug into 120 volt standard socket. If the EVSE stuff is built-into the car, then all the safety issues are identical. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of David Kerzel via EV Sent:

Re: [EVDL] Cheap L2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread David Kerzel via EV
The biggest cost for either system is posible litigation when someone get injured. The risk is electrical from EV users and vandals to someone tripping over a cable. J1772 is about safety and preventing injury, the complex multi-level guarding of the connection, GFI, and power is off before the

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161109

2016-11-09 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Slim pickens ... EV news drought (over?)

2016-11-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 8 Nov 2016 at 20:51, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > [* Friendly reminder: Political discussions are OT on the evdl ] And then some. There aren't many totally banned subjects on the EVDL, but partisan politics is one of the few. So, just don't. It will only lead to heartache, I just know it

Re: [EVDL] CheapL2 charging in parking places: Bolt EV'sIn Production

2016-11-09 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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