Re: [EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade
Sort of - it needs an update. http://outsight2000.blogspot.com/ On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: > Evan,Do you have a project page for your Insight conversion? > > On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:47 PM, Evan Tuer via EV > wrote: > > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > This is going to sound callous, but IMO, life is too short to argue with > > your friends about why their bright ideas will or won't work. Just let > > him > > know whether he can sleep on your couch if his lithium science fair > > project > > burns his house down. :-) > > > > > I wouldn't say it won't work... It just won't be very simple! Remember the > "MIMA" modification and similar gadgets are available for the Insight, > which gain control over charge and discharge of the battery. The basis of > that could be used along with a lithium BMS to make it work safely, if you > knew what you were doing. > > I decided it would be too much trouble, removed the gas engine and hybrid > system altogether and put in a 22kWh lithium pack and a 100kW motor > (spoiler: this was also a lot of trouble). > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20180529/09e23472/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20180529/1d48b077/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180529/f45d9a70/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade
Evan,Do you have a project page for your Insight conversion? On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:47 PM, Evan Tuer via EV wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > This is going to sound callous, but IMO, life is too short to argue with > your friends about why their bright ideas will or won't work. Just let > him > know whether he can sleep on your couch if his lithium science fair > project > burns his house down. :-) > > I wouldn't say it won't work... It just won't be very simple! Remember the "MIMA" modification and similar gadgets are available for the Insight, which gain control over charge and discharge of the battery. The basis of that could be used along with a lithium BMS to make it work safely, if you knew what you were doing. I decided it would be too much trouble, removed the gas engine and hybrid system altogether and put in a 22kWh lithium pack and a 100kW motor (spoiler: this was also a lot of trouble). -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180529/09e23472/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180529/1d48b077/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade
On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > This is going to sound callous, but IMO, life is too short to argue with > your friends about why their bright ideas will or won't work. Just let > him > know whether he can sleep on your couch if his lithium science fair > project > burns his house down. :-) > > I wouldn't say it won't work... It just won't be very simple! Remember the "MIMA" modification and similar gadgets are available for the Insight, which gain control over charge and discharge of the battery. The basis of that could be used along with a lithium BMS to make it work safely, if you knew what you were doing. I decided it would be too much trouble, removed the gas engine and hybrid system altogether and put in a 22kWh lithium pack and a 100kW motor (spoiler: this was also a lot of trouble). -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180529/09e23472/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] hybrid RV, but using and EV "toad" (was: Winnebago Electric C-class RV r:85/125mi)
The article below made me think back to an idea I had many years ago: Why not tow an EV with your RV but use it as a boost going up hill, and regen with it going down hill? RV's very often have a "Toad", or a towed vehicle, that they drag along to use as around-town transportation while the huge motorhome is parked in the campground. This "Toad" could easily be an EV, and could easily serve a useful purpose, other than simply adding drag and reducing gas mileage, while it is attached to the motorhome. It could help push the RV up steep hills and help accelerate the typically under-powered motorhome. It could also regen while going down hill and while braking. This would basically make the combination a hybrid vehicle and improve the typically atrocious mileage these behemoths normally get. They make an intelligent brake box (brake buddy) that you put in the ICE toad to work the vehicle brakes when in tow to assist the RV brakes, you could add a touch more brains to that same box to make it work the accelerator as well. http://www.brakebuddy.com/ Just a thought Bill D. On 5/29/2018 1:58 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: % Aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other on-the-go service vehicles % https://www.curbed.com/2018/5/25/17391662/rv-motorhome-electric-winnebago-solar-panel Winnebago launches an all-electric RV May 25, 2018 Megan Barber [images https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59854309/electric_specialty_vehicle.0.png Courtesy of Winnebago Industries https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11418569/dethleffs_ehome_concept_41.jpg The Dethleffs e.home Type C motorhome https://chorus.voxmedia.com/compose/fc391f39-e761-4edf-9d0f-1151bdb14872 combines a zero-emissions powertrain with tons of smart technologies inside ] But there’s a catch The push for increasing efficiency and green technology in the auto industry shows no signs of slowing, and now the RV industry is getting into the game. Winnebago Industries has announced [ https://winnebagoind.com/company/news/electric-specialty-vehicle ] the launch of an all-electric chassis that would emit zero emissions. We’ve seen concept RVs covered in solar panels before, but this move proves that major manufacturers have taken note. Winnebago plans to release the electric RV in the commercial vehicle market, aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other on-the-go service vehicles. The vehicle will be available in 33-foot and 38-foot lengths and with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) up to 26,000 pounds. It will also come with plenty of amenities, like slide rooms, air-conditioning, solar panels, inverters, toilets, showers, and plumbing. Unfortunately this all-electric RV won’t be available as a camper or motorhome to the public because of its limited range. According to the company, tests show that their electric vehicle can use six to eight batteries for a range of between 85 to 125 miles on a full charge. That might work for short distances—like if you’re an urban outreach clinic traveling around a city—but that would be hard for anyone looking to travel in motorhome. Don’t despair, this latest development (made in partnership with Motiv Power Systems) is still important. As electric vehicles become more common place for everyday drivers and trucks, it’s clear that a fully-electric Winnebago camper might a possibility in the near future. “Winnebago Industries is a company that is focused on creating customer value through innovation and technology,” said Ashis Bhattacharya, head of Winnebago’s specialty vehicles division. “We have a rich history of product and feature innovation, and we are continuously evaluating new and emerging technologies to further that legacy. We believe that all-electric vehicle applications continue to evolve to serve numerous end-user needs and this is our first step as a participant in this space.” [© 2018 Vox Media] ... https://winnebagoind.com/company/news/electric-specialty-vehicle Winnebago Industries Launches All-Electric/Zero-Emission Commercial Vehicle Platform FOREST CITY, IOWA, May 1, 2018 - Winnebago Industries (pr) ... http://rvdailyreport.com/industry/winnebago-launches-an-all-electric-rv/ Winnebago launches an all-electric RV 2018/5/25 Winnebago plans to release the electric RV in the commercial vehicle market, aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other on-the-go service vehicles. The vehicle will be available in 33-foot and 38-foot lengths and with a Gross Vehicle Weight ... EVLN: Winnebago e-RV using Motiv drivetrain r:125mi https://electrek.co/2018/05/02/winnebago-all-electric-rv-platform-electric-motorhome/ Winnebago launches an all-electric RV platform – but it can’t be used as an electric motorhome yet ... May 07 2018 + https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/bj3x74/electric-school-buses-vehicle-to-grid-v2g-power-grid Electric School Buses Can Be Backup Batteries For the US Power Grid May 15 2018
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180529
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Winnebago-Electric-C-class-RV-r-85-125mi-tp4690209.html
EVLN: Winnebago Electric C-class RV r:85/125mi
Winnebago launches an all-electric RV
2018/5/25 Winnebago plans to release the electric RV in the commercial
vehicle market, aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other
on-the-go service vehicles. The vehicle will be available in 33-foot and
38-foot lengths ... seen concept RVs covered in solar panels before ... a
fully-electric Winnebago camper might a possibility ...
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11418569/dethleffs_ehome_concept_41.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-606-2mi-Tesla-3-Hypermiling-Record-pack-unchargeable-v-tp4690210.html
EVLN: 606.2mi Tesla-3 Hypermiling Record> (pack unchargeable) (v)
Tesla Model 3 Guns for World Record by Driving 600 miles on a Single Charge
May 28, 2018 Hypermiling is surprisingly effective with the Model 3 ... Two
individuals had set out to take a Tesla Model 3 to its limits and managed to
commute over 600 miles on a single charge ... to set the record ... After
using up about 88% of the car's battery ... would no longer accept a charge
...
https://youtu.be/tzmv0ORhXlE
+
https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/bj3x74/electric-school-buses-vehicle-to-grid-v2g-power-grid
Electric School Buses Can Be Backup Batteries For the US Power Grid
May 15 2018 American school buses guzzle $3.2B of carcinogen-laden diesel a
year, but they could do a lot of good if electrified ...
https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5af9fdaff3cc4c0009cdfed2/lede/1526333216453-shutterstock_186197789.jpeg?crop=1xw%3A0.9258xh%3B0xw%2C0.0742xh=1050%3A*=55
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-success-new-era-electric-flight/
Tesla’s success ushers in a new era of electric flight
May 25, 2018 Now we are in the midst of a market transformation, with
automakers pouring billions into their EV programs and countries announcing
they are phasing out combustion vehicles. The next major step for electric
flight appears …
https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Zunum-and-Eviation-e1527236479459.jpg
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/27/tesla-lawsuit-settled-over-essentially-unusable-features/
Tesla Lawsuit Settled Over “Essentially Unusable” Features
May 27th, 2018 The media frenzy around Tesla crashes in which the Autopilot
was activated have prompted the all-electric car company to begin reporting
its Autopilot crash ...
https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2018/05/tesla-autopilot-will-continue-to-570x321.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVent-Tesla-Rally-Custer-SD-Chamber-of-Commerce-sponsored-v-tp4690208.html
EVent: Tesla Rally> Custer-SD Chamber of Commerce sponsored (v)
Tesla Rally Brings Electric Car Enthusiasts to Custer
May 27, 2018 The Tesla Rally in Custer is a unique event that is drawing
Tesla owners from all over the country ... the rally attracted a record
number of electric vehicles. Tesla owners are not shy about their cars. They
love to … (video flash)
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[EVDL] EVLN: 606.2mi Tesla-3 Hypermiling Record> (pack unchargeable) (v)
% supercharging overnight ... the Tesla-3 would no longer accept a charge and was towed to a Service Center % http://www.thedrive.com/news/21128/tesla-model-3-guns-for-world-record-by-driving-600-miles-on-a-single-charge Tesla Model 3 Guns for World Record by Driving 600 miles on a Single Charge May 28, 2018 Rob Stumpf [image https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/20170729-model3interiorhero.jpg via Tesla shares https://twitter.com/seanmmitchell/status/1000621816396898305 Sean M Mitchell @seanmmitchell https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeLsOfKUQAAFkbq.jpg Final #Model3 hypermile numbers from @teslainventory and I: 606.2 miles (975 km), 66 kWh, and 110 wh/mi, and 32 hours of driving. At its peak it was 108F in the cabin with no a/c running. Thank you @Tesla and @elonmusk for making such an incredible piece of machinery! 1:16 AM - May 27, 2018 https://twitter.com/seanmmitchell/status/1000783702249664512 Sean M Mitchell @seanmmitchell https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeN_d6XXUAMdUfl.jpg Getting our hypermile #Model3 towed to the Service Center. After leaving it charged overnight at a Supercharger it is still not taking a charge. @teslainventory https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeN_d6ZWsAA2fzT.jpg 12:00 PM - May 27, 2018 video (dated) https://youtu.be/tzmv0ORhXlE 600 Hypermile In A Tesla Model 3! Live video 463 Miles In ] There's a group of people who love the challenge of squeezing every last mile-per-gallon from their car's gas tank. Electric cars have made the competition even more interesting by putting the hypermilers into a an environment with less places to refill their charge and more baggage to weigh them down. Two individuals had set out to take a Tesla Model 3 to its limits and managed to commute over 600 miles on a single charge. Sean Mitchell, the president of the Denver Tesla Club, hit the road with fellow Tesla owner Erik Strait, a popular YouTuber. Together, they shared the desire to set the record for longest range in a Model 3 to date. After using up about 88 percent of the car's battery, the distance traveled had already surpassed 500 miles on the single charge. It was projected that if the car maintained the current efficiency of 111 watt-hours per mile, the final mileage of the trip would be around 676 miles. After 32 hours and 606.2 miles, the unofficial record had been set, and although this wasn't the number that was hoped for, it is still an extraordinary example that nearly doubled the 310 mile range rating given to the Model 3 by the EPA. The duo noted that they maintained an average speed of between 20 and 30 miles per hour, which allowed them to take advantage of city driving speeds where, unlike most gasoline-powered cars, the Model 3 shines in efficiency. Additionally, creature comforts like HVAC and other onboard power suckers were not used to help maximize the vehicle's overall range. Though efficient, Mitchell mentioned that temperature climbed to a staggering 108 degrees Fahrenheit in the cabin; something which most people would sacrifice a few miles to remedy. Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end. After placing the vehicle on a supercharger overnight, Mitchell confirmed that the Model 3 would no longer accept a charge and had to have it towed to a Tesla Service Center. The range observed by the Model 3 is more than impressive, especially considering that its big brother, the Model S P100D, was only able to achieve 63 additional miles during its record-setting hypermiling run with its larger battery pack. Most of the Model 3 reservation holders likely won't see efficiency numbers close to what Mitchell and Strait achieved, but just knowing that the duo was able to squeeze such fantastic numbers from their trial should be more than reassuring, even if they didn't follow the best charging etiquette to extend the life of the car's batteries. Thankfully, hypermiling isn't a sport, because as seen in the eight hour long video above, it's not as entertaining as Formula E. [© thedrive.com] Tesla Model 3 Sets New Range Record At 606.2 Miles - Inside EVs https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-sets-new-range-record-at-606-2-miles/ Well, the second Tesla Model 3 hypermiling attempt has come to a close and we're pretty impressed. These guys endured over 32 hours of driving a repetitive ... [video 600 Hypermile In Tesla Model 3! World Record LIVE! - 7:52:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGgKneWB8So 2 days ago - Uploaded by DÆrik https://www.youtube.com/user/seanmmitchell for Q and A sessions! Big Thank You to Our Sponsors: Link to an ... ] Tesla Model 3 travels 606 miles on a single charge in new hypermiling ... https://electrek.co/2018/05/27/tesla-model-3-range-new-hypermiling-record/ 1 day ago - Tesla Model 3 travels 606 miles on a single charge in new ... Tesla owners have now established a new hypermiling record in a Model 3 by ... Watch a Tesla Model 3 set the new quarter-mile record | Electrek
[EVDL] EVLN: Winnebago Electric C-class RV r:85/125mi
% Aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other on-the-go service
vehicles %
https://www.curbed.com/2018/5/25/17391662/rv-motorhome-electric-winnebago-solar-panel
Winnebago launches an all-electric RV
May 25, 2018 Megan Barber
[images
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/59854309/electric_specialty_vehicle.0.png
Courtesy of Winnebago Industries
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11418569/dethleffs_ehome_concept_41.jpg
The Dethleffs e.home Type C motorhome
https://chorus.voxmedia.com/compose/fc391f39-e761-4edf-9d0f-1151bdb14872
combines a zero-emissions powertrain with tons of smart technologies inside
]
But there’s a catch
The push for increasing efficiency and green technology in the auto industry
shows no signs of slowing, and now the RV industry is getting into the game.
Winnebago Industries has announced [
https://winnebagoind.com/company/news/electric-specialty-vehicle
] the launch of an all-electric chassis that would emit zero emissions.
We’ve seen concept RVs covered in solar panels before, but this move proves
that major manufacturers have taken note. Winnebago plans to release the
electric RV in the commercial vehicle market, aimed at mobile classrooms,
blood clinics, and other on-the-go service vehicles. The vehicle will be
available in 33-foot and 38-foot lengths and with a Gross Vehicle Weight
Rating (GVWR) up to 26,000 pounds. It will also come with plenty of
amenities, like slide rooms, air-conditioning, solar panels, inverters,
toilets, showers, and plumbing.
Unfortunately this all-electric RV won’t be available as a camper or
motorhome to the public because of its limited range. According to the
company, tests show that their electric vehicle can use six to eight
batteries for a range of between 85 to 125 miles on a full charge. That
might work for short distances—like if you’re an urban outreach clinic
traveling around a city—but that would be hard for anyone looking to travel
in motorhome.
Don’t despair, this latest development (made in partnership with Motiv Power
Systems) is still important. As electric vehicles become more common place
for everyday drivers and trucks, it’s clear that a fully-electric Winnebago
camper might a possibility in the near future.
“Winnebago Industries is a company that is focused on creating customer
value through innovation and technology,” said Ashis Bhattacharya, head of
Winnebago’s specialty vehicles division.
“We have a rich history of product and feature innovation, and we are
continuously evaluating new and emerging technologies to further that
legacy. We believe that all-electric vehicle applications continue to evolve
to serve numerous end-user needs and this is our first step as a participant
in this space.”
[© 2018 Vox Media]
...
https://winnebagoind.com/company/news/electric-specialty-vehicle
Winnebago Industries Launches All-Electric/Zero-Emission Commercial Vehicle
Platform
FOREST CITY, IOWA, May 1, 2018 - Winnebago Industries (pr) ...
http://rvdailyreport.com/industry/winnebago-launches-an-all-electric-rv/
Winnebago launches an all-electric RV
2018/5/25 Winnebago plans to release the electric RV in the commercial
vehicle market, aimed at mobile classrooms, blood clinics, and other
on-the-go service vehicles. The vehicle will be available in 33-foot and
38-foot lengths and with a Gross Vehicle Weight ...
EVLN: Winnebago e-RV using Motiv drivetrain r:125mi
https://electrek.co/2018/05/02/winnebago-all-electric-rv-platform-electric-motorhome/
Winnebago launches an all-electric RV platform – but it can’t be used as an
electric motorhome yet ...
May 07 2018
+
https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/bj3x74/electric-school-buses-vehicle-to-grid-v2g-power-grid
Electric School Buses Can Be Backup Batteries For the US Power Grid
May 15 2018 American school buses guzzle $3.2B of carcinogen-laden diesel a
year, but they could do a lot of good if electrified ...
https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5af9fdaff3cc4c0009cdfed2/lede/1526333216453-shutterstock_186197789.jpeg?crop=1xw%3A0.9258xh%3B0xw%2C0.0742xh=1050%3A*=55
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