[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181019
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Its-complicated-NY-Electric-bicycle-sharing-tp4691548.html
EVLN: Its complicated> NY Electric-bicycle sharing
Electric Bikes Are About to Go Mainstream
It’s complicated. The illegality has related to a broader New Oct. 9, 2018
York State law that required riders to register electric bikes ...
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EVLN: Porsche MissionE(Taycan) on display in Barangaroo.au
Porsche to display Mission E concept in Sydney
10/13/2018 Porsche Cars Australia is showing its all-electric Mission E
concept car as part of a brand pop-up display that has just open...
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https://electrek.co/2018/10/15/electric-bicycles-indiegogo/
This is why so many electric bicycles are getting funded on Indiegogo
Oct. 15th 2018 In fact, in recent years Indiegogo has been used to pre-sell
a number of personal electric vehicles, such as electric skateboards,
electric go-karts and electric ...
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https://vtnews.vt.edu/articles/2018/10/eng-electric-vehicle-cybersecurity-grant.html
U.S. Department of Energy awards Virginia Tech an electric vehicle
cybersecurity grant
October 12, 2018 The U.S. Department of Energy has awarded Virginia Tech a
$3 million grant for research on electric vehicle charging infrastr...
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EVtaxes.br reduced from 25 to 18% in a bid to boost EV use
Brazil to slash electric vehicle tax
15th October 2018 Brazil will reduce taxes on mass-produced electric
vehicles (EVs) from 25 percent to 18 percent in a bid to boost e-bike, EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: Its complicated> NY Electric-bicycle sharing
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/nyregion/are-electric-bikes-about-to-take-over-new-york.html Electric Bikes Are About to Go Mainstream Oct. 9, 2018 Jim Farber [images https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/14/nyregion/14ebikes1/merlin_144668730_d8bb432e-d86c-4ba0-862a-9c9c7d0ba634-jumbo.jpg?quality=90=webp Mark Abramson for The New York Times https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/14/nyregion/14ebikes2/merlin_144668772_0ef75efe-5456-4829-961a-98ac051e2817-jumbo.jpg?quality=90=webp https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/14/nyregion/14ebikes3/merlin_141883416_3f956c3d-7122-43ba-8ade-25a3c427ebb1-jumbo.jpg?quality=90=webp Jump e-bikes, a dockless rental program owned by Uber, have started showing up around New York. Credit Gregg Vigliotti for The New York Times ] New York’s restrictions on electric bikes have loosened. E-bike sharing is poised to expand. Here’s what to expect before you head out for a ride. On any given day, as many as 50,000 bicycle delivery workers sweep through the streets of New York, and according to their advocates, more than half of them are on e-bikes. The electric-assist bicycle (or e-bike) has become a vital tool in this arduous job, where a worker’s shift can last up to 10 hours, six days a week. Until very recently, however, e-bikes were actually illegal to operate in the city, often leading to stiff fines and penalties for the delivery people. Lately, however, it seems as if the city is starting to embrace them. Not only did New York recently amend its rules for e-bikes, it has also begun rolling out major new e-bike-sharing programs geared toward commuters and tourists. What is an e-bike? It’s a bicycle with an integrated electric motor, allowing the rider greater speed with less effort. Versions of battery-operated bikes date back to the late 1800s, though they didn’t become popular until the last decade or so. Today, they’re far more common in Europe and China than in the U.S. In this country, delivery workers have so far made up the majority of users. Are e-bikes legal now? Not all of them. The new law applies only to “pedal assist” bikes, which give riders a boost but are meant to run no faster than 20 m.p.h. Still banned are “throttle” bikes, which can whiz along without any assistance from the cyclist, achieving speeds of roughly 28 m.p.h. Most of the cyclists making deliveries favor the throttle bikes. Why were e-bikes illegal in the first place? It’s complicated. The illegality has related to a broader New York State law [ https://dmv.ny.gov/registration/motorized-devices-cannot-be-registered-new-york ] that required riders to register electric bikes in the same way they do cars, motorcycles, or mopeds. But in a true Catch-22 situation, the state (and thus the city) prohibited registering certain vehicles, like golf carts, go-karts — and e-bikes. Strangely, it has always been legal to sell e-bikes in New York but not to ride them. The new law amends that. What is the fine for riding a throttle e-bike? When Yidi Zhu, a Chinatown-based food delivery man, was stopped for riding a throttle bike, he was issued a $500 ticket and had his bike seized. “I had to go to court to get the bike back, so I lost four or five days of work,” Mr. Zhu said through an interpreter. He estimated that he lost $1,500, the same cost as many new bikes, or roughly three-quarters of a month’s salary for many in the trade, according to Helen Ho of Biking Public Project, an advocacy organization for the workers. Is there a chance that throttle bikes will be made legal? Maybe. The mayor has backed only the pedal-assist bikes, but at an August news conference held to introduce a new electric Citi Bike line, Brooklyn’s borough president, Eric Adams, mentioned that he didn’t think the worker’s devices should be illegal. “The motorized bikes the delivery personnel use is something that we should find a way to incorporate into the system,” he said. Who is behind the new e-bike-sharing programs? In August, Motivate, which runs Citi Bike, began testing a pilot program by installing 200 e-bikes into its collection of 12,000 bikes. Next year, in advance of the L train shutdown, the company will install docking stations on each side of the Williamsburg Bridge to accommodate 1,000 e-bikes. Private companies like Jump [ https://jump.com/ ] and Lime [ https://www.li.me/ ], which also offer electric scooters in some cities, have introduced pedal-assist bike-share systems to Staten Island and the Bronx. There seems to be money behind these programs. This year, Lyft bought Motivate, and Uber brought Jump. Jump e-bikes, a dockless rental program owned by Uber, have started showing up around New York.CreditGregg Vigliotti for The New York Times How does e-bike sharing work? With Citi’s new e-system, you follow the same procedure as with their common bikes. The cost is the same. Jump and Lime e-bikes require an app to register. But Jump and Lime e-bikes are dockless; you can lock them
[EVDL] Drive an EV& thumb-nose w/ righteous-indignation @KSA
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-saudi-arabia-journalist-20181017-story.html
Upset at oil-rich Saudi Arabia? Start driving an electric vehicle
Oct 17, 2018
To the editor: Righteous indignation over the likely death of Saudi
journalist Jamal Khashoggi is being expressed by countless Americans. Most
of us feel impotent, however, to do anything about it.
The Saudi ruling family is a wealthy bunch and uses its money to intimidate
or buy off anyone who would try to interfere in its machinations. But there
is a chink in the royals’ armor: Their wealth comes exclusively from oil, so
anything that reduces demand for oil scares them.
This is where you come in. If you drive an internal combustion car, switch
to an electric vehicle. You’ll not only eliminate the pollution you were
generating, you will also forever stop giving money to the oil industry.
As more of us take this step, we will eventually eliminate oil as the energy
source for all ground transport. Saudi Arabia will have to deal with the
loss of most of its income and the knowledge that its deadly ways hastened
that loss.
Paul Scott, Santa Monica
The writer co-founded the electric vehicle advocacy group Plug-In America
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Death of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi
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Senate bill could give electric vehicle tax credit a big boost
Oct 17, 2018 Washington - Tesla Inc and General Motors, which have lobbied
Congress to lift a cap on electric vehicles eligible for a $7,500 tax
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
Mid range battery model 3 now available https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?#payment Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > Mark, I agree 100%. Twenty years ago when I was doing "show and tell" with my > Citicars and conversions I could only dream that a car like the Tesla would > appear and revolutionize the whole EV industry. The EV1 looked promising but > we all know what happened to it. I have ridden in a Tesla and understand why > people love it, plus the safety is outstanding. Only thing I could possibly > complain about was the lack of a handle over to door to pull myself in. > > Gail > > >> On 10/18/2018 7:33 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> You’re absolutely correct. >> In most cases the negativity impacts the stock, not the product or the >> consumer. >> Despite some of legitimate comments made here about the failure to deliver >> on its promises, what Tesla HAS delivered is incredible. >> For those who find the price not affordable to them, I think two things are >> true: >> - Tesla is having enough problems keeping up with demand for its current >> product line. A lower priced car, with even greater demand, would have >> squeezed their resources even more; >> - Tesla’s appearance and impact in the market, and what they’ve accomplished >> for the perception of EVs overall, has resulted in the availability of >> lower-priced availability of great EVs of all types from other manufacturers. >> IMHO, we’ve passed the tipping point for EVs, and Tesla gets much of the >> credit for it happening so quickly. >> - Mark > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/5c67c721/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened?
Nope, the original email implied that there was a mutual agreement to join up with Saudi's, which is patently false and has no proofThe stock price surged that day due to the Saudi's and was an unwelcome addition to the failed taking privatebut absolutely, categorically it is completely false to even imply that Musk and the Saudi's were joining forces in any way except as antagonistsPlease refrain from implying anything other than that,ok.If falsehoods get spread they get pounced upon without mercy, especially on an EV list, where folks are supposed to be both informed and have lots of knowledge. On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 5:29:57 PM EDT, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 18 Oct 2018 at 19:13, robert winfield via EV wrote: > seriously?sell to Saudi'snope wrong wrong wrong you aredidnt happen Not entirely right, but not entirely wrong either. The Saudi wealth fund bought Tesla stock. Now it's investing in Lucid, a Tesla competitor Sep 18, 2018 "Earlier this year, the Saudi fund bought Tesla shares on the open market totaling between 3% and 5% of the company, the Financial Times has reported. In August, when Elon Musk flirted briefly with the idea of taking Tesla private, he identified the Saudi fund, along with Volkswagen, as funding sources." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-lucid-saudi-investment-20180918- story.html https://v.gd/u23NAX Also: Saudi Fund in Talks to Invest in Tesla Buyout Deal August 12, 2018 "The Saudi Kingdom´s Public Investment Fund is working to be part of any investor pool that emerges to take Tesla private, people with knowledge of the fund´s plans told Bloomberg News on Sunday. The fund, which recently built a stake just shy of 5 percent, is exploring how it can be involved, the people said on condition of anonymity." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-12/saudi-fund-is-said-to-be- in-talks-to-invest-in-tesla-buyout-deal https://v.gd/27afU0 David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/cf444a5b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened?
Yeah it was 5%.and they were allegedly saying that they could buy a whole bunch more... enough to make Tesla private. From only a few weeks agohere's some Saudi Info. https://www.tesla.com/BLOG/update-taking-tesla-private All I was saying is I think it was a damn good thing for Tesla that it never went anywhere. From: EVDL Administrator via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EVDL Administrator Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened? On 18 Oct 2018 at 19:13, robert winfield via EV wrote: > seriously?sell to Saudi'snope wrong wrong wrong you aredidnt happen Not entirely right, but not entirely wrong either. The Saudi wealth fund bought Tesla stock. Now it's investing in Lucid, a Tesla competitor Sep 18, 2018 "Earlier this year, the Saudi fund bought Tesla shares on the open market totaling between 3% and 5% of the company, the Financial Times has reported. In August, when Elon Musk flirted briefly with the idea of taking Tesla private, he identified the Saudi fund, along with Volkswagen, as funding sources." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-lucid-saudi-investment-20180918- story.html https://v.gd/u23NAX Also: Saudi Fund in Talks to Invest in Tesla Buyout Deal August 12, 2018 "The Saudi Kingdom´s Public Investment Fund is working to be part of any investor pool that emerges to take Tesla private, people with knowledge of the fund´s plans told Bloomberg News on Sunday. The fund, which recently built a stake just shy of 5 percent, is exploring how it can be involved, the people said on condition of anonymity." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-12/saudi-fund-is-said-to-be- in-talks-to-invest-in-tesla-buyout-deal https://v.gd/27afU0 David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/b2626d49/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Real time sale of EV in Norway
This website shows in real time the sales of EVs in Norway. https://elbilstatistikk.no/ [https://www.itanywhere.no/images/el-skilt.jpg]<https://elbilstatistikk.no/> elbilstatistikk.no - Registreringer av nye elbiler i Norge<https://elbilstatistikk.no/> Realtime stats for EV-registrations in Norway. Top this month: Nissan Leaf: with: 544 cars: Top this year: Nissan Leaf: with: 12174 cars: Top all time: elbilstatistikk.no -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/652b244f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened?
On 18 Oct 2018 at 19:13, robert winfield via EV wrote: > seriously?sell to Saudi'snope wrong wrong wrong you aredidnt happen Not entirely right, but not entirely wrong either. The Saudi wealth fund bought Tesla stock. Now it's investing in Lucid, a Tesla competitor Sep 18, 2018 "Earlier this year, the Saudi fund bought Tesla shares on the open market totaling between 3% and 5% of the company, the Financial Times has reported. In August, when Elon Musk flirted briefly with the idea of taking Tesla private, he identified the Saudi fund, along with Volkswagen, as funding sources." http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-lucid-saudi-investment-20180918- story.html https://v.gd/u23NAX Also: Saudi Fund in Talks to Invest in Tesla Buyout Deal August 12, 2018 "The Saudi Kingdom´s Public Investment Fund is working to be part of any investor pool that emerges to take Tesla private, people with knowledge of the fund´s plans told Bloomberg News on Sunday. The fund, which recently built a stake just shy of 5 percent, is exploring how it can be involved, the people said on condition of anonymity." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-12/saudi-fund-is-said-to-be- in-talks-to-invest-in-tesla-buyout-deal https://v.gd/27afU0 David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened?
seriously?sell to Saudi'snope wrong wrong wrong you aredidnt happen On Thursday, October 18, 2018, 3:03:45 PM EDT, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote: Musk was just last month trying to sell it to the Saudi's..in a deal that allegedly fell through .Now with them killing a Washington Post Journalist and Saudi Arabian princes looking more like the mafia than anelectric car savior I think Tesla and Elon Musk might have nearly destroyed the Tesla brand had they been successful, Something they should be thanking their lucky stars over From: Mark Abramowitz via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Abramowitz Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!] Ok, thanks. I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 10:15 AM, John Blair via EV wrote: > > You can check the prices on the Tesla website. It is different in different > states. Tesla prefers to charge by kWh, but some states don’t allow that so > they charge by the minute in two tiers depending on where you are in the > charge cycle (above 60kW rate or below). In California it is 26¢/kWhr. My > last trip from Northern California to Southern California in my Model 3 was > just under $20 (and I left home 90% full) and about the same on the way home. > Each stop was 15-20 minutes and I was busy the entire time taking my dog for > a quick potty break, giving her water, and having a snack. I actually ended > up charging more than I needed to each time. If the car charged in 5 minutes, > it would not have been any faster for me. > > John > --- > John G. Blair > Occidental, California > 707-874-2399 > http://www.blairstudio.com - Impressionistic Art > i...@jgblairphoto.com > > > > > >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been told $20. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >>> >>> My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la >>> carte is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying >>> gasoline for a trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla >>> that doesn't come with free supercharging can report on the prices? > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/4ae5edbf/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/263827be/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Tesla...Can you imagine what could have happened?
Musk was just last month trying to sell it to the Saudi's..in a deal that allegedly fell through .Now with them killing a Washington Post Journalist and Saudi Arabian princes looking more like the mafia than anelectric car savior I think Tesla and Elon Musk might have nearly destroyed the Tesla brand had they been successful, Something they should be thanking their lucky stars over From: Mark Abramowitz via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Abramowitz Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!] Ok, thanks. I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 10:15 AM, John Blair via EV wrote: > > You can check the prices on the Tesla website. It is different in different > states. Tesla prefers to charge by kWh, but some states don’t allow that so > they charge by the minute in two tiers depending on where you are in the > charge cycle (above 60kW rate or below). In California it is 26¢/kWhr. My > last trip from Northern California to Southern California in my Model 3 was > just under $20 (and I left home 90% full) and about the same on the way home. > Each stop was 15-20 minutes and I was busy the entire time taking my dog for > a quick potty break, giving her water, and having a snack. I actually ended > up charging more than I needed to each time. If the car charged in 5 minutes, > it would not have been any faster for me. > > John > --- > John G. Blair > Occidental, California > 707-874-2399 > http://www.blairstudio.com - Impressionistic Art > i...@jgblairphoto.com > > > > > >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been told $20. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >>> >>> My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la >>> carte is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying >>> gasoline for a trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla >>> that doesn't come with free supercharging can report on the prices? > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/4ae5edbf/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
Mark, I agree 100%. Twenty years ago when I was doing "show and tell" with my Citicars and conversions I could only dream that a car like the Tesla would appear and revolutionize the whole EV industry. The EV1 looked promising but we all know what happened to it. I have ridden in a Tesla and understand why people love it, plus the safety is outstanding. Only thing I could possibly complain about was the lack of a handle over to door to pull myself in. Gail On 10/18/2018 7:33 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: You’re absolutely correct. In most cases the negativity impacts the stock, not the product or the consumer. Despite some of legitimate comments made here about the failure to deliver on its promises, what Tesla HAS delivered is incredible. For those who find the price not affordable to them, I think two things are true: - Tesla is having enough problems keeping up with demand for its current product line. A lower priced car, with even greater demand, would have squeezed their resources even more; - Tesla’s appearance and impact in the market, and what they’ve accomplished for the perception of EVs overall, has resulted in the availability of lower-priced availability of great EVs of all types from other manufacturers. IMHO, we’ve passed the tipping point for EVs, and Tesla gets much of the credit for it happening so quickly. - Mark ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
Ok, thanks. I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 10:15 AM, John Blair via EV wrote: > > You can check the prices on the Tesla website. It is different in different > states. Tesla prefers to charge by kWh, but some states don’t allow that so > they charge by the minute in two tiers depending on where you are in the > charge cycle (above 60kW rate or below). In California it is 26¢/kWhr. My > last trip from Northern California to Southern California in my Model 3 was > just under $20 (and I left home 90% full) and about the same on the way home. > Each stop was 15-20 minutes and I was busy the entire time taking my dog for > a quick potty break, giving her water, and having a snack. I actually ended > up charging more than I needed to each time. If the car charged in 5 minutes, > it would not have been any faster for me. > > John > --- > John G. Blair > Occidental, California > 707-874-2399 > http://www.blairstudio.com - Impressionistic Art > i...@jgblairphoto.com > > > > > >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been told $20. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >>> >>> My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la >>> carte is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying >>> gasoline for a trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla >>> that doesn't come with free supercharging can report on the prices? > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
You’re absolutely correct. In most cases the negativity impacts the stock, not the product or the consumer. Despite some of legitimate comments made here about the failure to deliver on its promises, what Tesla HAS delivered is incredible. For those who find the price not affordable to them, I think two things are true: - Tesla is having enough problems keeping up with demand for its current product line. A lower priced car, with even greater demand, would have squeezed their resources even more; - Tesla’s appearance and impact in the market, and what they’ve accomplished for the perception of EVs overall, has resulted in the availability of lower-priced availability of great EVs of all types from other manufacturers. IMHO, we’ve passed the tipping point for EVs, and Tesla gets much of the credit for it happening so quickly. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > > Here's another way Tesla's or for that matter, anything, gets misaligned... > somebody just repeats what somebody else told them. And in this case > according to > a latter post by Paul who has a Tesla - "My car says I can supercharge for 8 > and > change it's less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt." > > Rush Dougherty > Tucson AZ 85719 > >> -Original Message- >> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via > >> I've been told $20. >> >> - Mark > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Why I will buy a Tesla
We all complained about Tesla's stick up butt attention to their cars and how it affected restomoders and bargain hunters. However the other side is performance and safety. Here is the safety side which I had no idea about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXGN5CyZmLI=1432s Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181018/f784c10c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
Here's another way Tesla's or for that matter, anything, gets misaligned... somebody just repeats what somebody else told them. And in this case according to a latter post by Paul who has a Tesla - "My car says I can supercharge for 8 and change it's less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt." Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via > I've been told $20. > > - Mark ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]
On 10/17/2018 10:02 PM, paul dove wrote: My car says I can supercharge for 8 and change it’s less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt. Paul, something seems amiss in those numbers. I have to assume 75kwh for "75kw". The battery capacity of a Model 3 LR is about 75kwh so you can never put that much into it. Most SuperCharges start from 10-20% and most are terminated by 80%. You almost never fully charge at a SuperCharger because the charge rate drops so much as you near full. If you are following a chain of SuperChargers, your time is wasted by charging to near the top if it is not needed to reach the next SuperCharger. So, your typical SuperCharger charge on a 3LR is about 60% of battery capacity or less. No more than about 50 kwh. At the end of a SuperCharge session, your car can report how much energy has been taken on. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Musk sez new chip in 6mos> 500-2000% autopilot-improvement
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/musk-says-new-autopilot-chip-to-be-available-in-six-months-10833170
Musk says new autopilot chip to be available in six months
16 Oct 2018 Rama Venkat, Shailesh Kuber Reuters
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Tesla Inc Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said a new chip that improves
autopilot features would be available six months in advance to people who
ordered the full self-driving version of the electric cars.
REUTERS: Tesla Inc Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said a new chip that
improves autopilot features would be available in about six months in all of
the company's new production electric cars.
In a series of tweets http://bit.ly/2QRIzAt, Musk said ..."~6 months before
it is in all new production cars. No change to sensors. This is simple
replacement of the Autopilot computer. Will be done free of charge for those
who ordered full self-driving."
Musk also tweeted that the new chip would improve the performance of Tesla's
Autopilot between 500 percent and 2000 percent.
He said the installation of the chip would be priced at US$5,000 for those
who did not order full self-driving.
Tesla's autopilot is a driver assistance system that handles some driving
tasks and allows drivers to take their hands off the wheel. Tesla says
drivers are supposed to keep their hands on the wheel at all times when
using the system.
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181018
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EVLN: 5 mild Harley e-cycles> quieter biker-gangs.nz (v)
Born to be mild: Full-electric Harley-Davidson e-bikes coming to NZ
11/10/2018 The biker gangs of the future could be a lot quieter.
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EVLN: Audi RS3 w/ 4 FormulaE e-motors> reverse @210kph record
All-electric Audi RS3 with 4 Formula E electric motors takes world record
for speed in reverse at 210 km/h
Oct. 12th 2018 Over the past few weeks, Schaeffler has been letting German
race driver Daniel Abt play with their crazy new all-electric vehicle: an
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NV Energy Hosts Event To Test Drive Electric Cars
October 15th 2018 NV Energy announced an event to get behind the wheel of
the latest electric vehicles on Saturday, October 20 from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Audi RS3 w/ 4 FormulaE e-motors> reverse @210kph record
https://electrek.co/2018/10/12/schaeffler-all-electric-audi-rs3-formula-e-world-reverse-speed-record/
All-electric Audi RS3 with 4 Formula E electric motors takes world record
for speed in reverse at 210 km/h
Oct. 12th 2018 Fred Lambert
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Over the past few weeks, Schaeffler has been letting German race driver
Daniel Abt play with their crazy new all-electric vehicle: an Audi RS3
equipped with a battery pack and 4 Formula E electric motors in order to
create an 880 kW all-electric racing car.
Now the driver has taken the world record for speed in reverse gear at 210
km/h.
As we previously reported, the German engineering and manufacturing group
was already familiar with the Formula E motor through its involvement with
Audi’s Formula E team.
But they went to a whole new level by putting four of them in a single car,
each of which provides a power output of 220 kW.
It is also equipped with two battery packs with an overall capacity of 64
kWh for a modest range, but it’s enough for Schaeffler to perform its tests
and blow away any driver or passenger.
Over the past few weeks, they have partnered with Daniel Abt, a German race
driver competing in Formula E, to test the vehicle.
Last month, he did what he called ‘the hottest donut ever’ with the
all-electric vehicle.
Now he attempted to break the world record for speed in reverse gear at 210
km/h.
Here you can watch the impressive video of the record (German):
Here are some specs that Schaeffler released about the vehicle:
Motors from the Abt Schaeffler FE01 Formula E racing car (season II)
Integration of four electric motors with a power output of 220 kW each
(Pmax)
Overall power output of 880 kW (approx. 1,200 PS)
MGU with 320 Nm of peak torque
From 0 to 200 km/h in less than 7 seconds
Selective wheel drive
Battery capacity: 64 kWh
Concept and overall vehicle design: Schaeffler Technologies
Overall design and manufacturing of the gearbox: Schaeffler Engineering
Vehicle design: Schaeffler Technologies & ABT Sportsline
Motor and gearbox efficiency of approx. 95 percent under full-load
conditions
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[EVDL] EVLN: 5 mild Harley e-cycles> quieter biker-gangs.nz (v)
https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/born-to-be-mild-full-electric-harley-davidson-e-bikes-coming-to-nz/
Born to be mild: Full-electric Harley-Davidson e-bikes coming to NZ
11/10/2018
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The biker gangs of the future could be a lot quieter.
Harley-Davidson says it will release five electric vehicles between 2019 and
2022, from a lightweight e-bicycle (pictured below) to a series of electric
motorbikes.
The iconic American company confirms its e-bikes will be released in New
Zealand. An exact release date is pending, but the Herald was curious how
followers of the legendary brand would react to its latest product.
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Greg Ogg, an alumnus of the Auckland chapter of the Harley Owners Group
(HOG), says Harley owners stratify into three groups: outlaw bikers, social
riders and an "emerging riders" category that includes retired people and a
growing number of women.
"I can't see the outlaws grasping e-bikes with both hands, to be honest,"
Ogg says.
He thinks the company might have more luck with social and emerging riders,
who he's picking might buy the e-bike as a second vehicle.
Harley-Davidson has not released tech specs for its LiveWire electric
motorcycle (pictured below) but an early prototype managed 0 - 60 miles per
hour (95.6 km/h) in four seconds thanks to the lack of gears and instant
torque. Its range on one charge was around 100km - similar to NZ's
home-grown Ubco.
While the acceleration might be impressive, another HOG enthusiast, Auckland
man Kevin McIntyre, says noise is important to hardcore bikers, leaving the
silent-running LiveWire with zero appeal.
Stats NZ says 27,646 e-bikes and e-scooters were imported in the year to
June 2018, a big jump on the 11,424 brought into the country in 2016.
Bikes International MD Craig Robertson - who bills his company as NZ's
largest bike importer - says e-bikes are rising fast.
While his company is not in line to sell Harley's e-bike, he says it could
do well given that there is a blizzard of no-name brands on the market.
Consumers are looking for brands they can trust, and resellers for
manufacturers they know will hold true to warranties, he says.
Harley hasn't released tech specs and pricing for its most basic e-bike yet.
Robertson says basic models sell for around $1800, with the sweet spot being
around $3500 to $4500. Top-of-the-line models sell for up to $17,000.
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My car says I can supercharge for 8 and change it’s less than $9 for 75kw so that is like 11 cents a kilowatt. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2018 04:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: >> My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la carte >> is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying gasoline for a >> trip of a similar distance. Perhaps somebody with a Tesla that doesn't come >> with free supercharging can report on the prices? > > Most states prohibit reselling metered electricity. SuperChargers charge per > unit time in two power tiers. I believe the stated goal is to be cheaper > than gasoline and somewhat more than cover the cost of electricity. It seems > SuperCharger electricity is about twice home metered. Typically, I would > say, about $5 for around 30 kwh. > > Let me see what I find on the Tesla site. > > https://www.tesla.com/supercharger > > That says the target is $.26/kwh > > In addition to making fee SuperCharging closer to carrying it's own weight, > it reduces the demand/congestion in order to make the enormous fleet of M3s > more manageable. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
