Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
d... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181212/2227ed10/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://

[EVDL] clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

2018-12-12 Thread brucedp5 via EV
I don't have a lot of time to spend on a debate on this topic (usually I just let people speak their minds, everyone is allowed an opinion). I have to prep for upcoming thyroid surgery, and more failing eye sight appointments (if I can't read nor type, I won't be able to post anymore - time to

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread George Tyler via EV
I am thinking, it all depends on what is acceptable range? 50% loss over 5 years, so in a year it's 40%, 2 year 30%, so probably not worth paying NZ$10k (US$6,600) for? -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Willie via EV Sent: 13 December, 2018 11:39

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It really is 31 miles at 75% capacity. When new, it got about 50 miles during winter, about 75 in summer (no where close to 90). Look at my previous posts "poor 2011 Leaf performance", snip included here: Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25

Re: [EVDL] EVSE.uk to ban pih> cheap onboard-3kWh-rechargers too-slow

2018-12-12 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
Willie via EV wrote: > > https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105449/ban-plug-in-hybrids-from > > -ev-charging-bays-say-experts Ban plug-in hybrids from EV charging > > bays, say experts 10 Dec, 2018 Tristan Shale-Hester > > I was hoping some one would comment on this. Can someone make sense

[EVDL] Li-Ion versus Lead-Acid (was: Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc)

2018-12-12 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Li-Ion batteries decline in capacity at a steady slow rate, until they eventually have zero capacity. Pretty much a flat curve. (Actually slightly concave. They decline slightly less per cycle as they age.) Lead-acid batteries "fall off of a cliff" at their end of life. They rise slightly in

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Willie via EV
On 12/12/18 4:37 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: According to Nissan, 9 out of 12 capacity bars is still a properly functioning battery, which is somewhere near 68%. I get about 30 miles range in winter with that. You may disagree with Nissan :) 9/12 SHOULD indicate 75%. I contend that

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Willie via EV
On 12/12/18 4:33 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Is this not the case with lithium? Is a lithium battery with 68% of spec capacity still considered usable? There are a LOT of Leafs driving around with less than 50%. Nissan invariably tells the owners that it is normal and to be

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
According to Nissan, 9 out of 12 capacity bars is still a properly functioning battery, which is somewhere near 68%. I get about 30 miles range in winter with that. You may disagree with Nissan :) Peri -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 12 Dec 2018 at 13:18, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Essentially the percentage of capacity compared to new. > So 68% of 24kWh for a 2011-2015 or a 2016 S. > Or 68% of 30kWh for a 2016 SL or SV or a 2017 Leaf. With a lead battery, 68% of factory specified capacity would be considered a

Re: [EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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[EVDL] Buying a leaf, SOH, GID etc

2018-12-12 Thread George Tyler via EV
Hi all, I am considering buying a used import from Japan Leaf, can someone please explain the terms they use for battery, they advertise like this: " 9 BARS, SOH 68% ", and some people talk about GID and Ah, I do understand electronics, but I don't know what they talking about in relation to

Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Lee Hart via EV
The fundamental problem with these coolers is that they don't actually provide much cooling. Air conditioners used to be rated in "tons", which meant the number of tons of ice it would take to provide the same cooling. A 12,000 BTU air conditioner running for one day (24 hours) provides about

Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Ron Porter via EV
eone's hack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbr_AvfPGkA >>> Both would work in an EV. Might work with dry ice.  Lawrence Rhodes >>> >>> >>> >>> -- next part -- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>

Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Sean Korb via EV
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Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Lw_wcB > > This is someone's hack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbr_AvfPGkA > Both would work in an EV. Might work with dry ice.  Lawrence Rhodes > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/priva

Re: [EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Jay Summet via EV
would work in an EV. Might work with dry ice.  Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181212/7ac2fca6/attachment.h

Re: [EVDL] (junk,biased): auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

2018-12-12 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
e.com/ > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part

Re: [EVDL] (junk,biased): auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

2018-12-12 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 12 Dec 2018 at 3:47, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > While I thank Gail for the post, I disagree with Peter as IMO this is not > accurate information. And I disagree with you. This is factual and cautionary reporting, NOT fearmongering. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = =

[EVDL] 600 dollar answer to a 3000 dollar problem.

2018-12-12 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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[EVDL] Shame On You, CBS> 60min (Koch style) Musk interview: EVsOnTVs ...

2018-12-12 Thread brucedp5 via EV
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVsOnTVs-Musk-on-60-minutes-Sun-12-9-buy-idle-GM-plants-tp4692054.html ] % IMO, 60 minutes butchered the Musk interview with a slant the Koch Bros would have approved of %

[EVDL] (junk,biased): auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

2018-12-12 Thread brucedp5 via EV
While I thank Gail for the post, I disagree with Peter as IMO this is not accurate information. NPR has a very, very long-long history of not reporting EVs, nor vehicles correctly. They have no problem with interviewing bogus, biased people that pontificate their imagined fears. It is fraught

[EVDL] NPR pontificates: auton is scary , & imagined-changes

2018-12-12 Thread brucedp5 via EV
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/10/675254096/the-revolution-will-be-driverless-autonomous-cars-usher-in-big-changes The Revolution Will Be Driverless: Autonomous Cars Usher In Big Changes December 10, 2018 Terry Gross Fresh Air [image

[EVDL] Report from UK Motorcycle Live show

2018-12-12 Thread Paul Compton via EV
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[EVDL] (EVhistory) Swatchmobile>Smart EV: Smart Cabrio ...

2018-12-12 Thread brucedp5 via EV
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-CAD35k-funky-2seat-17-6kWh-EV-2019-Smart-Cabrio-L2-3kW-only-r-epa-101km-63mi-tp4692008p4692015.html ] [This post is long. Old-timers note: I'm repeating myself (see previous posts below) for the newer EV owners.] As an