Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?
California energy mixhttps://flowcharts.llnl.gov/content/assets/images/charts/Energy/Energy_2014_United-States_CA.png USA energy mix https://flowcharts.llnl.gov/content/assets/images/charts/Energy/Energy_2017_United-States.png On Wednesday, December 26, 2018, 4:34:03 PM EST, Darryl McMahon via EV wrote: We don't have to guess at the California electricity mix. https://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html (rounding to nearest percent for simplicity) 29% from renewables other than large hydro 15% from large hydro 9% from nuclear (not renewable, but reasonably low emissions impact from an existing plant - final disposition of spent fuel still to be solved) 4% from coal 34% from natural gas (fossil) 9% unidentified That's what shows up on the grid. It does not include those producing off-grid, or generating for in-house use (e.g. household PV used behind the meter). Greener grid means greener EV use. As for using hydrogen as a transportation fuel for light vehicles in typical missions (commuting, errand running, occasional longer trips), I looked into this early in this century, and kept some track since. Things have not changed much on the technology side in the intervening period for hydrogen vehicles, other than using bigger storage at higher pressure. Darryl McMahon Author, award-winning book: The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (2006) (on digest mode, so don't expect quick responses) On 12/26/2018 4:09 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:53:47 + (UTC) > From: Lawrence Rhodes > To:ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner? > Message-ID:<1956029850.2785592.1545857627...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > California uses mostly hydro at night.? There are natural gas plants for high > demand.? I think that is how it works or should work.? Lawrence Rhodes -- Darryl McMahon Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181228/e41b1d77/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
That's very nice.i like traveling around town, and going on 1,100 mile trips and longer.more power to you. where do you refuel on long trips? On Friday, December 28, 2018, 1:04:37 AM EST, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you wanted to hear. If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a primary source on that. We have three fuel cell electric cars in the family. We get where we want to go. But maybe it’s just alien invaders propelling the cars. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 27, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 12/27/18 6:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article >> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles >> > > Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I read the > above to be just wild unsubstantiated conjecture/opinion. Alien invaders > could be landing tomorrow. Maybe they will tell us how to make hydrogen work. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181228/ffaab70b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
Or you can see what my father did - www.Airphibian.com (Sorry some of the links are outdated) One of the 5 manufactured (with FAA numbers) is in the National Air and Space Museum https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/fulton-airphibian-fa-3-101 notice the N number on the tail. As a child I remember flying in it And one of the iterations had a Generator that was hung off the rear of the Lycoming motor that charged 2 large 12v batteries in series for 24v to drive the electric motors in the front wheels. That one was too heavy for economical flight. Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 8:06 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Peri Hartman > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year > > There are some pretty significant restrictions on flying over urban areas. > Requires a pilot's license, for one. You must be at least 1000' > above inhabited areas and you must also fly in the appropriate airspace. > If AI were far along to automate the entire flight, we'd see it in use for > private > pilots right now. > > Anyway, the idea's been around for a while. Check this out (OT): > https://books.google.com/books?id=htcDMBAJ=PA4#v=onepage= > false > Go to page 87. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Rod Hower via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Rod Hower" > Sent: 28-Dec-18 6:46:31 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year > > > Who was elected in 2016? Case closed > > > > On ?Friday?, ?December? ?28?, ?2018? ?09?:?42?:?14? ?PM? ?EST, Alan > > Arrison via EV > wrote: > > > > Does anyone believe this nonsense? > > > >Al > > > >On 12/28/2018 6:26 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-fly > >> ing-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/ > >> Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco > >> next year > >> 25 December 2018 Federico Maccioni > >> > >> [image > >> > >> https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057 > >> 248.jpg Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future > >> Transportation. > >> (Courtesy) > >> ] > >> > >> New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car > >> prototype with wings that aims to solve congestion and also be > >> affordable at $50,000 > >> > >> You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So > >> far - a routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes > >> out of the sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination. > >> > >> Like the cars in Ridley Scott's masterpiece "Blade Runner" flying > >> over a dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [ > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY > >> ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon > >> Valley-based New Future Transportation [ https://www.nxtft.com/ ] > >> (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in > >> October next year. > >> > >> "Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life," > >> said NFT chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki > >> Kaplinsky, designed the car. > >> > >> The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San > >> Francisco, because "houses are more beautiful and cheaper" than in > >> the metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to > >> work near the Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half > >> hours by car, because of traffic congestion. > >> > >> [image] Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT > >> Inc. > >> (Courtesy) > >> > >> According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area > >> spent on average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the > >> city the third out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360 > >> urban centers around the world in driving time spent in congestion. > >> > >> Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow > >> users to save time and money. > >> > >> The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multimodal vehicle > >> - that can both drive and fly - the size of a sport utility vehicle > >> (SUV), with two or four seats. It will take off and land vertically, > >> and its wings will retractable, not fixed, the two entrepreneurs > >> explained. > >> > >> "We made our design flexible" by creating a sort of hybrid system, > >> CEO Maki Kaplinsky said. > >> > >> The base of the vehicle is electric, with a built-in extended range > >> generator. Maki Kaplinsky said that with this combination the > >> vehicle's target flying range of 300 miles (480 kilometers) and > >> driving range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) will be "feasible and > >> economical." > >> > >> The aim is to use just batteries in the future, the
Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?
bon sources (natural gas > > and diesel generation in remote communities). Still, we aren't finished > > yet. Storage projects are continuing to be built to displace the need for > > the gas peaker plants. Old small hydro plants are being upgraded. Remote > > communities are being connected to the grid to eliminate the need for > > diesel generation. > > > > We have also made incredible progress in making battery electric vehicles, > > especially the battery technology, sufficient for most driving needs, > > reliable and affordable. There is excitement in that field and no > > indication the cost and storage capacity trends are going to change anytime > > soon. We are also making substantial strides in provisioning a charging > > network throughout the industrialized and industrializing world to support > > away-from-base charging, to extend the utility of battery EVs in every day > > missions. And we're working on how to continue in those directions while > > supporting, not threatening, electrical utilities and grid reliability. > > > > As for my sources on hydrogen technology, they include hydrogen proponents, > > scientists, engineers, journals in multiple fields, and various news media. > > The hydrogen skeptics don't bother poking me. And for clarity, regarding > > hydrogen, I did not say nothing has changed, I said things have not changed > > much on the technology side other than increasing on-board storage. > > > > Darryl McMahon (driving electric since 1978) > > > > > >> On 12/27/2018 11:02 AM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:32:43 -0800 > >> From: Mark Abramowitz > >> To:dar...@econogics.com,Electric Vehicle Discussion List > >> > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner? > >> Message-ID:<31d037dd-aa34-425f-8e6e-b1587e84e...@enviropolicy.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > >> We?ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening > >> the grid. > >> By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen > >> should be 100% renewable. > >> (BTW, if you think that nothing else has changed in hydrogen technology in > >> the last several years, there is something wrong with your sources) > >> - Mark > >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > > > > -- > >Darryl McMahon > > Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems) > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181228/bbc3d33a/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
Willie, The Las Vegas Water District had a hydrogen fuel cell project and you must know that aliens have already landed near us in Area 51. You may have inadvertently discerned the connection. On 12/27/2018 5:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I read the above to be just wild unsubstantiated conjecture/opinion. Alien invaders could be landing tomorrow. Maybe they will tell us how to make hydrogen work. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
There are some pretty significant restrictions on flying over urban areas. Requires a pilot's license, for one. You must be at least 1000' above inhabited areas and you must also fly in the appropriate airspace. If AI were far along to automate the entire flight, we'd see it in use for private pilots right now. Anyway, the idea's been around for a while. Check this out (OT): https://books.google.com/books?id=htcDMBAJ=PA4#v=onepage=false Go to page 87. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Rod Hower via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Rod Hower" Sent: 28-Dec-18 6:46:31 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year Who was elected in 2016? Case closed On Friday, December 28, 2018 09:42:14 PM EST, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: Does anyone believe this nonsense? Al On 12/28/2018 6:26 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-flying-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/ Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco next year 25 December 2018 Federico Maccioni [image https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057248.jpg Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future Transportation. (Courtesy) ] New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car prototype with wings that aims to solve congestion and also be affordable at $50,000 You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So far — a routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes out of the sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination. Like the cars in Ridley Scott’s masterpiece “Blade Runner” flying over a dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon Valley-based New Future Transportation [ https://www.nxtft.com/ ] (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in October next year. “Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life,” said NFT chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki Kaplinsky, designed the car. The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San Francisco, because “houses are more beautiful and cheaper” than in the metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to work near the Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half hours by car, because of traffic congestion. [image] Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT Inc. (Courtesy) According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area spent on average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the city the third out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360 urban centers around the world in driving time spent in congestion. Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow users to save time and money. The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multimodal vehicle — that can both drive and fly — the size of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), with two or four seats. It will take off and land vertically, and its wings will retractable, not fixed, the two entrepreneurs explained. “We made our design flexible” by creating a sort of hybrid system, CEO Maki Kaplinsky said. The base of the vehicle is electric, with a built-in extended range generator. Maki Kaplinsky said that with this combination the vehicle’s target flying range of 300 miles (480 kilometers) and driving range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) will be “feasible and economical.” The aim is to use just batteries in the future, the entrepreneurs explained, without a generator. However, they said, batteries allowing for such ranges are yet to be developed and it is difficult to predict when this breakthrough will take place. The vehicle will be able to be either piloted or fly autonomously, said Maki Kaplinsky, adding that US regulations allow flight at a height of 300 to 5,000 feet, even if in practice it is able to fly above and below this range. User-friendliness is the main feature of NFT’s projected flying car, which makes it stand out among other kinds of flying vehicles, the husband and wife said. [image] Guy Kaplinsky, the co-founder and chairman of New Future Transportation, NFT. Inc (Courtesy) Maki Kaplinsky underlined that while drones and other electric aircraft require specific spots for parking and charging, NFT’s flying car can be parked in a garage or in the street. More importantly, she added, the vehicle’s “drive and fly” ability will allow users to reach their final destination using just one vehicle. Asked about technical issues that may arise with flying cars in an urban environment, the two entrepreneurs said that of course “people don’t like having cars flying above their heads,” but that the vehicles would be taking off from designated areas near shopping
[EVDL] Oracle's Ellison is part of new Tesla board appointments
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-tsla-new-board-members-oracle-founder-larry-ellison-elon-musk/
Tesla selects Oracle founder as new board member in “home run” appointment
December 28, 2018 ... Tesla ... appointment of ... Larry Ellison and
Walgreens ... Kathleen Wilson-Thompson as the newest members of its board of
directors ... Larry was “Elon” before Elon was Elon. Or maybe Elon is the
new Larry ... previously served on the board of Apple from 1997-2002, where
he worked with Steve Jobs, one of his closest friends ...
https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Kathleen-Wilson-Thompson-493x617.jpg
https://www.businessinsider.com/rise-of-oracle-founder-larry-ellison-2017-1
The rise of Larry Ellison, the jet-setting 74-year-old billionaire founder
of Oracle who just joined Tesla's board of directors
2018-12-28 ... his adoptive father, was a Russian immigrant who took the
name "Ellison" in tribute to the place in which he entered the US: Ellis
Island ... Steve Jobs ... in 1997, he asked Ellison to sit on the board.
Ellison stuck around for a while but felt that he couldn't devote the time
... Ellison has other ventures outside Oracle, too — he just joined the
board of directors at Tesla, where he's been a major investor. Earlier in
2018, Ellison described Tesla CEO Elon Musk as a "close friend," and
defended him from critics. Not all of Ellison's side-projects have worked
out, though ... Ellison is still actively engaged with Oracle ... he's still
very much the face of the company, helping guide it through these choppy
waters ...
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Larry-Ellison
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/teslas-addition-of-larry-ellison-to-board-is-a-home-run-appointment-analyst-says-2018-12-28?mod=hp_minor_pos20
Tesla wins plaudits for slotting Larry Ellison onto its board, but its
problems won’t magically vanish
Dec 28, 2018 Critics are concerned that the Oracle co-founder’s friendship
with Elon Musk and his large stake in Tesla may create a conflict of
interest ...
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
Who was elected in 2016? Case closed On Friday, December 28, 2018 09:42:14 PM EST, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: Does anyone believe this nonsense? Al On 12/28/2018 6:26 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-flying-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/ > Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco next year > 25 December 2018 Federico Maccioni > > [image > https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057248.jpg > Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future Transportation. > (Courtesy) > ] > > New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car prototype with > wings that aims to solve congestion and also be affordable at $50,000 > > You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So far — a > routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes out of the > sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination. > > Like the cars in Ridley Scott’s masterpiece “Blade Runner” flying over a > dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [ > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY > ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon Valley-based New > Future Transportation [ > https://www.nxtft.com/ > ] (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in October > next year. > > “Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life,” said NFT > chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki Kaplinsky, > designed the car. > > The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San > Francisco, because “houses are more beautiful and cheaper” than in the > metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to work near the > Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half hours by car, because > of traffic congestion. > > [image] Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT Inc. > (Courtesy) > > According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area spent on > average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the city the third > out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360 urban centers around the > world in driving time spent in congestion. > > Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow users to > save time and money. > > The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multimodal vehicle — that > can both drive and fly — the size of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), with two > or four seats. It will take off and land vertically, and its wings will > retractable, not fixed, the two entrepreneurs explained. > > “We made our design flexible” by creating a sort of hybrid system, CEO Maki > Kaplinsky said. > > The base of the vehicle is electric, with a built-in extended range > generator. Maki Kaplinsky said that with this combination the vehicle’s > target flying range of 300 miles (480 kilometers) and driving range of 100 > miles (160 kilometers) will be “feasible and economical.” > > The aim is to use just batteries in the future, the entrepreneurs explained, > without a generator. However, they said, batteries allowing for such ranges > are yet to be developed and it is difficult to predict when this > breakthrough will take place. > > The vehicle will be able to be either piloted or fly autonomously, said Maki > Kaplinsky, adding that US regulations allow flight at a height of 300 to > 5,000 feet, even if in practice it is able to fly above and below this > range. > > User-friendliness is the main feature of NFT’s projected flying car, which > makes it stand out among other kinds of flying vehicles, the husband and > wife said. > > [image] Guy Kaplinsky, the co-founder and chairman of New Future > Transportation, NFT. Inc (Courtesy) > > Maki Kaplinsky underlined that while drones and other electric aircraft > require specific spots for parking and charging, NFT’s flying car can be > parked in a garage or in the street. More importantly, she added, the > vehicle’s “drive and fly” ability will allow users to reach their final > destination using just one vehicle. > > Asked about technical issues that may arise with flying cars in an urban > environment, the two entrepreneurs said that of course “people don’t like > having cars flying above their heads,” but that the vehicles would be taking > off from designated areas near shopping centers or highways. The two > entrepreneurs believe that at low altitudes, the vehicles could fly over > roads, open water or green areas so as to avoid the problem, while for > higher altitudes there will be no issue because flying cars would be “just > like today’s aircraft flying above us,” Maki Kaplinsky said. > > In terms of air traffic control management, Guy Kaplinsky said that each > country has different regulations, and that in the US the Federal Aviation > Administration would be the monitoring authority regulating traffic. With > the introduction of flying cars, he
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
Does anyone believe this nonsense? Al On 12/28/2018 6:26 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-flying-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/ Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco next year 25 December 2018 Federico Maccioni [image https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057248.jpg Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future Transportation. (Courtesy) ] New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car prototype with wings that aims to solve congestion and also be affordable at $50,000 You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So far — a routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes out of the sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination. Like the cars in Ridley Scott’s masterpiece “Blade Runner” flying over a dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon Valley-based New Future Transportation [ https://www.nxtft.com/ ] (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in October next year. “Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life,” said NFT chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki Kaplinsky, designed the car. The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San Francisco, because “houses are more beautiful and cheaper” than in the metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to work near the Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half hours by car, because of traffic congestion. [image] Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT Inc. (Courtesy) According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area spent on average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the city the third out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360 urban centers around the world in driving time spent in congestion. Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow users to save time and money. The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multimodal vehicle — that can both drive and fly — the size of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), with two or four seats. It will take off and land vertically, and its wings will retractable, not fixed, the two entrepreneurs explained. “We made our design flexible” by creating a sort of hybrid system, CEO Maki Kaplinsky said. The base of the vehicle is electric, with a built-in extended range generator. Maki Kaplinsky said that with this combination the vehicle’s target flying range of 300 miles (480 kilometers) and driving range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) will be “feasible and economical.” The aim is to use just batteries in the future, the entrepreneurs explained, without a generator. However, they said, batteries allowing for such ranges are yet to be developed and it is difficult to predict when this breakthrough will take place. The vehicle will be able to be either piloted or fly autonomously, said Maki Kaplinsky, adding that US regulations allow flight at a height of 300 to 5,000 feet, even if in practice it is able to fly above and below this range. User-friendliness is the main feature of NFT’s projected flying car, which makes it stand out among other kinds of flying vehicles, the husband and wife said. [image] Guy Kaplinsky, the co-founder and chairman of New Future Transportation, NFT. Inc (Courtesy) Maki Kaplinsky underlined that while drones and other electric aircraft require specific spots for parking and charging, NFT’s flying car can be parked in a garage or in the street. More importantly, she added, the vehicle’s “drive and fly” ability will allow users to reach their final destination using just one vehicle. Asked about technical issues that may arise with flying cars in an urban environment, the two entrepreneurs said that of course “people don’t like having cars flying above their heads,” but that the vehicles would be taking off from designated areas near shopping centers or highways. The two entrepreneurs believe that at low altitudes, the vehicles could fly over roads, open water or green areas so as to avoid the problem, while for higher altitudes there will be no issue because flying cars would be “just like today’s aircraft flying above us,” Maki Kaplinsky said. In terms of air traffic control management, Guy Kaplinsky said that each country has different regulations, and that in the US the Federal Aviation Administration would be the monitoring authority regulating traffic. With the introduction of flying cars, he said, the vehicles would be given a specific space slot according to their route. “Our mission and advantage is door-to-door [commuting],” said Maki Kaplinsky, adding that their car won’t be “a toy for rich guys” and will be “accessible for regular people,” with a target price of $50,000. NFT is aiming for the mass
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
On 28 Dec 2018 at 17:26, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > A pair of wings comes out of the sides of your vehicle and you take off > for your destination. Not without filing a flight plan you don't. > their car won´t be "a toy for rich guys" and will be "accessible for > regular people," with a target price of $50,000. Don't they know that the only people allowed to bypass traffic congestion are the obscenely rich with their private helicopters and helipads? Make this "solution" available to everyone, and pretty soon the airways will be as clogged as the highways. Then where will the privileged folks go to get away from us peasants? Orbit? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $130k Porsche's (turbo-less) Taycan Turbo performance EV
On 28 Dec 2018 at 17:06, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > oeturbo is vocabulary used for internal combustion engine > vehicles. It's also been used in other contexts, to the point where its original meaning is nearly lost. My computers used to have "turbo" buttons on them, for example. So I don't really care what Porsche/VW calls it, as long as they make it available. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
On 28 Dec 2018 at 1:49, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > So, wasting untold millions in developing a new answer which is *proven* to be > much worse deal all around, is silly and a boondoggle. I have no clue how you > can't see that... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Behind The Certified-Tesla-Repair-Center Scenes
https://insideevs.com/tesla-certified-repair-center-behind-the-scenes/
We Go Behind-The-Scenes At A Certified Tesla Repair Center
DEC 22 2018 Kay Talley,Guest
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A Model S P100D – witnessed in repair – will shortly be returned to owner
after a significant front-end ‘ouch.’ (Image: Stuttgart Auto Body)
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A Tesla Model 3 front-end with structural fracture. What’s in there? A great
opportunity to get more insight. The coolant you see in the Model 3 is also
BMW’s – rather than Tesla branding it. It’s pretty much a generic for luxury
vehicles. Makes sense. Why reinvent the wheel? (Image: Stuttgart Auto Body)
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Denver Tesla Club members including winners of the EVANNEX Tesla car
coverraffle and Stuttgart’s luxury packages of in-vehicle beverage
containers — all enjoying this special club event (Image: Stuttgart Auto
Body)
]
A unique opportunity came our way to see damaged cars up close, personal and
naked at Stuttgart Auto Body, Denver’s premier Tesla collision repair
facility. Attendees from Denver Tesla Club visited to gain insight into the
structure of Tesla’s vehicles – and what can possibly go wrong while out on
the road.
*This article comes to us courtesy of EVANNEX (which also makes aftermarket
Tesla accessories). Authored by Matt Pressman. The opinions expressed in
these articles are not necessarily our own at InsideEVs.
Stuttgart is certified by Porsche, Mercedes – and Tesla. The main focus of
the Englewood facility is the latter. Although it is sad to see a parking
lot full of triaged vehicular friends awaiting admission to the ER, the care
and attention indoors for them is nothing less than spectacular. State Farm
expert, Austin Domsch, was also on hand to explain coverage of that little
‘incident.’
Accidents happen. How they are taken care of is an eye-opener into the
vehicle and the overall construction of Models S, X and 3. The crumple zone
up front is a testament to life-saving. Tesla is possibly the most
complicated of vehicles to work on, but Stuttgart has made a massive
investment in all Tesla-approved equipment necessary and continues to grow
with the company to keep up with the electric car maker’s continually
evolving technology.
Tesla Fremont hands-on trained technicians are passionate about returning a
car to an owner in pre-accident condition. Using only Tesla OEM and
diagnostics, they make it happen.
From 3M insane automotive adhesive, riveting under equally insane pressure
to meet Tesla’s over-and-beyond safety ratings, an owner can feel completely
safe in the vehicle, post collision. Good as new.
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk says he will consider buying GM factory in Ohio as it
shuts down next year
Dec 20, 2018 When announcing that they were closing the factories, GM said
it was part of a restructuring that would involve doubling their investment
in electric vehicles ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: $50k flying EVs over San_Francisco-CA next year
https://www.timesofisrael.com/husband-and-wife-duo-sets-sights-on-flying-cars-over-san-francisco-next-year/ Husband-and-wife duo sets sights on flying cars over San Francisco next year 25 December 2018 Federico Maccioni [image https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2018/12/28-1-e1545231057248.jpg Illustrative detail image of a vehicle from New Future Transportation. (Courtesy) ] New Future Transportation (NFT) is developing an electric car prototype with wings that aims to solve congestion and also be affordable at $50,000 You start the car, pull out of the parking lot and hit the road. So far — a routine trip. Now, select flight mode. A pair of wings comes out of the sides of your vehicle and you take off for your destination. Like the cars in Ridley Scott’s masterpiece “Blade Runner” flying over a dystopian Los Angeles of 2019 [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRXifdYkWvY ], the prototype of the vehicle being developed by Silicon Valley-based New Future Transportation [ https://www.nxtft.com/ ] (NFT) is theoretically set to sail the skies of the Bay Area in October next year. “Our mission is not transportation, but better quality of life,” said NFT chairman Guy Kaplinsky, an Israeli who, with his wife Maki Kaplinsky, designed the car. The two entrepreneurs live near Palo Alto, about 50 miles from San Francisco, because “houses are more beautiful and cheaper” than in the metropolis, they said. However, for people who need to get to work near the Golden Gate Bridge, it takes as much as two and a half hours by car, because of traffic congestion. [image] Maki Kaplinsky, a co-founder of New Future Transportation, NFT Inc. (Courtesy) According to a study by inrix.com, people in the San Francisco area spent on average 79 peak hours stuck in traffic in 2017, ranking the city the third out of 297 cities in the US and fifth out of 1,360 urban centers around the world in driving time spent in congestion. Kaplinsky said their competitively priced flying vehicle will allow users to save time and money. The flying car prototype will be a zero-emission multimodal vehicle — that can both drive and fly — the size of a sport utility vehicle (SUV), with two or four seats. It will take off and land vertically, and its wings will retractable, not fixed, the two entrepreneurs explained. “We made our design flexible” by creating a sort of hybrid system, CEO Maki Kaplinsky said. The base of the vehicle is electric, with a built-in extended range generator. Maki Kaplinsky said that with this combination the vehicle’s target flying range of 300 miles (480 kilometers) and driving range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) will be “feasible and economical.” The aim is to use just batteries in the future, the entrepreneurs explained, without a generator. However, they said, batteries allowing for such ranges are yet to be developed and it is difficult to predict when this breakthrough will take place. The vehicle will be able to be either piloted or fly autonomously, said Maki Kaplinsky, adding that US regulations allow flight at a height of 300 to 5,000 feet, even if in practice it is able to fly above and below this range. User-friendliness is the main feature of NFT’s projected flying car, which makes it stand out among other kinds of flying vehicles, the husband and wife said. [image] Guy Kaplinsky, the co-founder and chairman of New Future Transportation, NFT. Inc (Courtesy) Maki Kaplinsky underlined that while drones and other electric aircraft require specific spots for parking and charging, NFT’s flying car can be parked in a garage or in the street. More importantly, she added, the vehicle’s “drive and fly” ability will allow users to reach their final destination using just one vehicle. Asked about technical issues that may arise with flying cars in an urban environment, the two entrepreneurs said that of course “people don’t like having cars flying above their heads,” but that the vehicles would be taking off from designated areas near shopping centers or highways. The two entrepreneurs believe that at low altitudes, the vehicles could fly over roads, open water or green areas so as to avoid the problem, while for higher altitudes there will be no issue because flying cars would be “just like today’s aircraft flying above us,” Maki Kaplinsky said. In terms of air traffic control management, Guy Kaplinsky said that each country has different regulations, and that in the US the Federal Aviation Administration would be the monitoring authority regulating traffic. With the introduction of flying cars, he said, the vehicles would be given a specific space slot according to their route. “Our mission and advantage is door-to-door [commuting],” said Maki Kaplinsky, adding that their car won’t be “a toy for rich guys” and will be “accessible for regular people,” with a target price of $50,000. NFT is aiming for the mass markets according to Guy Kaplinsky. “I’m giving you a flying car that will allow you
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181229
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-electrameccanica-com-EV-orders-41k-Tofino-roadsters-23k-SOLO-tp4692355.html
EVLN: electrameccanica.com EV orders> 41k Tofino roadsters &23k SOLO
Electra Meccanica says it received over 41,000 orders for all-electric
Tofino roadster and 23,000 SOLO EVs
Dec. 20th 2018 Electra Meccanica, a Canada-based electric vehicle startup,
confirmed today that it received over 41,000 orders for its all-electric
Tofino roadster and over ...
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EVLN: $130k Porsche's (turbo-less) Taycan Turbo performance EV
2018-12-27 Porsche's upcoming Taycan, which is expected to go on sale next
year, will have at least three variants of the all-electric sports car,
including an all-wheel drive ... A. Porsche. Taycan. Turbo. Wait. What? ...
https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/porsche-mission-e-cross37.jpg
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https://www.wired.com/story/arcimoto-fuv-three-wheeler-electric/
City Driving Is Silly Fun in Arcimoto's Electric 3-Wheeler
12.21.18 But he kept pushing, and advances in the electric vehicle industry
helped him along. Over the past decade, lithium-ion batteries have gotten
much cheaper.
https://media.wired.com/photos/5c1c3c8e36da29336938e314/master/w_1132,c_limit/arcimoto-0416.jpg
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https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2018/12/27/electric-vehicle-maker-arcimoto-raises-4-5m.html
https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/metro-news/2018/12/19/solarpowered-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-on-highway/
Solar-powered electric vehicle charging stations on highway
19 Dec 2018 MELAKA: Five solar-powered electric vehicle (EV) charging
stations will be installed along the North-South Expressway (NSE) by early
2020. PLUS Malaysia ...
https://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2018/12/18/13/21/18875.ashx/?w=620=413=1=47657DD4BF820D2B6F0E314E2B2682E400021272
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/F-Tesla-chanting-trucks-ICEed-blocked-all-superEVSE-Sheetz-com-NC-store-tp4692311.html
F-Tesla_chanting trucks ICEed/blocked all superEVSE @Sheetz.com NC store
Trucks are “ICE-ing” Tesla owners from charging stations
December 24, 2018 Tesla owners are being “ICE-ed” out of charging stations
by trucks ... Now “ICE-ing”—the I, C and E taken from internal combustion
engine—is on the rise. ...
https://twitter.com/LeilaniMunter/status/1076720837263282178
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[EVDL] using ice terms ... (turbo-less) Taycan Turbo performance EV
% By using ice terms to sell EVs = VW is misinforming (lying to) the public:
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+turbo
tur·bo /?t?rb?/ noun: turbo; plural noun: turbos
short for turbocharger.
a motor vehicle equipped with a turbocharger
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+turbocharger
tur·bo·charg·er /?t?rb??CHärj?r/ noun: turbocharger
a supercharger driven by a turbine powered by the engine's exhaust gases
Here are EV or racing terms that could have been used Taycan:
MW, MegaW, Megawatt, MWh; Lightning, Holeshot, Bye-run ...
Porsche buyers and Tesla owners ...
https://electrek.co/2018/12/28/porsche-tesla-owners-taycan-reservation/
Porsche says Tesla owners are the top Taycan reservation holders
Dec. 28th 2018 We are still about a year away from Porsche starting the
production of the Taycan, its first all-electric vehicle, but the company is
already seeing some strong ...
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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1120661_porsche-taycan-sold-out-for-a-yearto-mostly-tesla-drivers
Porsche Taycan sold out for a year—to mostly Tesla drivers
Dec 28, 2018 ... upcoming 2020 Taycan electric sports car could be sold out
for a year with pre-orders from customers who have put down $2,500 deposits
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https://images.hgmsites.net/med/porsche-mission-e-cross-turismo-concept_100645140_m.jpg
... are not dumb & don't need ice-terms to entice sale$. But I fear
VW/Porsche marketing are
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Car salesmen: Still sexist, still stupid
Feb 28, 2012 - The Porsche salesman got right on the paperwork, but the
insults didn't ... Women were the primary buyers of more than 44% of all
vehicles last ... The way they’ve always treated women used to be plain
discrimination. Now it’s just plain dumb. When will they learn the caveman
approach is bad for business? ...
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dumb car names
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[EVDL] EVLN: $130k Porsche's (turbo-less) Taycan Turbo performance EV
https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/27/porsches-top-of-the-line-ev-to-get-the-turbo-name-and-a-13-plus-price-tag/
Porsche’s top-of-the-line EV to get the Turbo name and a $130,000-plus price
tag
2018-12-27 Kirsten Korosec
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Porsche’s upcoming Taycan, which is expected to go on sale next year, will
have at least three variants of the all-electric sports car, including an
all-wheel drive version. But it’s the Taycan Turbo — the name Porsche is
giving its top-of-the-line variant — that reveals the automaker’s strategy.
The names — the Taycan for the base model, Taycan 4S for the all-wheel drive
version and Taycan Turbo for the performance variant — as well as prices
ranges for each were first reported by columnist Alex Roy. As Roy notes,
however, “turbo” is vocabulary used for internal combustion engine vehicles.
Porsche parent company Volkswagen Group has pledged to spend more than $1
billion developing the Taycan, which roughly translates to “lively, young
horse” in a nod to its iconic emblem.
The electric vehicle is seen (in some circles) as a threat to Tesla, which
has dominated the luxury electric vehicle market. With so much investment
headed toward Porsche’s first all-electric vehicle, the German automaker is
smartly using nomenclature familiar to its existing customer base, many of
whom have never owned an EV.
[© techcrunch.com]
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/12/porsche-taycan-turbo-to-arrive-despite-clear-lack-of-turbos.html
Porsche Taycan Turbo to Arrive Despite Clear Lack of Turbos
Dec 27, 2018 The high-performance version of the upcoming Porsche Taycan
electric sedan will be called the Taycan Turbo ... Because ICE nomenclature
is how one converts customers to EV ...
https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Porsche-Taycan-Factory.jpg
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http://www.thedrive.com/tech/25664/why-the-top-of-the-line-porsche-taycan-ev-will-be-called-turbo
Why The Top-of-the-Line Porsche Taycan EV Will Be Called "Turbo"
December 26, 2018 ... A. Porsche. Taycan. Turbo. Wait. What? What's the best
way to sell a performance EV? Use ICE terminology ...
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/Screen-Shot-2018-12-26-at-1.23.02-PM.png
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Taycan+Turbo
search on Taycan Turbo
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Solar-powered electric vehicle charging stations on highway
19 Dec 2018 MELAKA: Five solar-powered electric vehicle (EV) charging
stations will be installed along the North-South Expressway (NSE) by early
2020. PLUS Malaysia ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: electrameccanica.com EV orders> 41k Tofino roadsters &23k SOLO
https://electrek.co/2018/12/20/electra-meccanica-electric-tofino-roadster-solo-ev-reservations/
Electra Meccanica says it received over 41,000 orders for all-electric
Tofino roadster and 23,000 SOLO EVs
Dec. 20th 2018 Fred Lambert
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Electra Meccanica, a Canada-based electric vehicle startup, confirmed today
that it received over 41,000 orders for its all-electric Tofino roadster and
over 23,000 reservations for the SOLO EV as they move production to China.
We have often reported on the Vancouver-based company for its effort to
bring the SOLO, a ~$15,500 all-electric 3-wheeler with 100 miles range, to
market, and their more recent vehicle programs:
Electra Meccanica announces new all-electric roadster: 250 miles range
and ~$50,000 starting price
Electra Meccanica teases electric roadster based on the Porsche 356
The company went public earlier this year in order to raise $10 million to
bring those electric vehicles to production.
Electra Meccanica has a manufacturing agreement with the Zongshen Industrial
Group to produce the SOLO in China and they gave an update today about their
production ramp up.
They built 40 SOLO EVs themselves in Canada this year, but now future
vehicles will be coming from the Zongshen factory:
“This manufacturing facility recently shipped its first two 2019 SOLO
EV’s to the the Company’s headquarters in Vancouver for on-road testing. An
additional 48 SOLO EV’s are scheduled for shipment from the Zongshen factory
to Los Angeles, Portland and Vancouver in the first quarter of 2019.”
They released a video of the volume production of the SOLO EV at the
factory:
Electra Meccanica COO Henry Reisner commented about the production
“I am very pleased with our team’s progress to date. Having driven the
2019 SOLO myself, I’m convinced we have a winning car on our hands. Now we
get to the business of final calibration, initiation of production and
delivering them in significant numbers in 2019 and beyond.”
There are many people waiting for those vehicles.
Electra Meccanica says 23,030 people have placed a deposit to pre-order the
SOLO:
“As of December 20, 2018, Electra Meccanica had a total of 64,154
vehicle pre-orders across all models, representing $2.4 billion in potential
sales at the targeted MSRP. These pre-orders consist of 23,030 pre-orders
for the SOLO single-passenger electric vehicle, which has a $15,500 target
MSRP, and 41,124 pre-orders for the Tofino two-seat roadster sports car,
which has a $50,000 target MSRP.”
Production of the SOLO will ramp up during 2019 and the production of the
Tofino is expected to start in 2020.
Electrek’s Take
I am impressed by the number of reservations for the Tofino. With a $1,000
deposit, it gives some weight to those reservations.
Over 40,000 reservations and they don’t even have a prototype. All we have
seen were a few renderings.
But I am not that surprised because I feel like it’s an attempt to create
the “Mazda Miata of electric vehicles”, which is not necessarily a bad
approach.
It might be a little too expensive for that, but I think there’s a market
for electric roadsters without the price and performance of a Tesla
Roadster.
[© electrek.co]
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?
Hi Darryl, Thanks for your comments. To say that I’m thrilled about the amount of renewable and zero emission integration in Ontario would be a gross understatement. I grew up not far from Ontario and spent great summers exploring northern Ontario wilderness. I know that part of the solution there is the use of hydrogen energy storage to reduce the amount of renewables that get wasted through curtailment. As you can imagine, though, California is a very different place, with its own set of challenges, particularly since 40%+ of imported goods to the U.S. make their way through our ports. And our grid is very diverse, with many renewables just having come online over the last several years. And it will take a lot to get us to 100% renewables. Just a few years ago, it was about 29%, while hydrogen for transportation fuels was mandated at 33% (a law I supported), making hydrogen the ONLY transportation fuel with such a requirement. But the industry quickly beat that requirement and beat the grid, with 44% of transportation hydrogen being renewable. (And you are right, this thread is not the place to debate the merits of hydrogen) Sorry if I don’t read your book, but the issues - potential, real, imagined or fabricated - are known to me and the industry. And with a publication date of 2006, before the time when I personally began to be involved with hydrogen in a great way, it is badly out of date. What has changed? Virtually everything - with onboard storage capacity perhaps being the LEAST of the changes. Since then, costs have significantly dropped, power densities have increased, performance increased, and so on. My own Honda Clarity has all the power train components now fitting in the engine compartment - a first. And we haven’t even gotten to the progress in fueling technology and standards. And every iteration improves on everything in a significant way. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 28, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Darryl McMahon via EV wrote: > > Hello Mark and all, > > as expected, I'm tardy with a response, and I see the discussion has moved > on, and as already noted, shows why hydrogen is typically OT for this list. > > I'm not prepared to debate the merits of hydrogen as a fuel or energy store > here. I had those debates from the late 1990s to 2006. My stance now is you > have to read my book to continue the discussion, because the issues with > hydrogen are many, and you have to solve all of them to have a valid > contender. > > To your specific points in your last post. > > We have made incredible advances in greening the grid, and I have been an > active participant in that. I charge EVs primarily in Ontario and Quebec. > > Quebec has zero coal, zero natural gas generation and a trivial amount of > diesel generation for communities not connected to the North American > continental grid. The bulk of their generation comes from big hydro, > although small hydro, wind and PV are growing from a small foothold. > > All in all, over 99% electricity generation from renewables. Not by 2045. > Today. > > Ontario has made significant strides in the past decade, in no small part due > to the efforts of the Ontario Clean Air Alliance. Ontario generation has > zero coal, 4% natural gas (shrinking), a serious amount of large hydro, and > growing amounts of wind and PV. > > We're not done yet. We are seriously over-invested in nuclear and continuing > down that wrong path. Our new government is in favour of dinosaur generation > sources, and cancelled over 750 signed renewables contracts in their first > month in office (breach of contract lawsuits to follow) and our EV purchase > incentive program. Shutting down all coal-fired generation in Ontario is the > single largest greenhouse gas emissions reduction project in North America to > date. > > All in all, less than 4% generation from fossil carbon sources (natural gas > and diesel generation in remote communities). Still, we aren't finished yet. > Storage projects are continuing to be built to displace the need for the gas > peaker plants. Old small hydro plants are being upgraded. Remote > communities are being connected to the grid to eliminate the need for diesel > generation. > > We have also made incredible progress in making battery electric vehicles, > especially the battery technology, sufficient for most driving needs, > reliable and affordable. There is excitement in that field and no indication > the cost and storage capacity trends are going to change anytime soon. We > are also making substantial strides in provisioning a charging network > throughout the industrialized and industrializing world to support > away-from-base charging, to extend the utility of battery EVs in every day > missions. And we're working on how to continue in those directions while > supporting, not threatening, electrical utilities and grid reliability. > > As
Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?
Hello Mark and all, as expected, I'm tardy with a response, and I see the discussion has moved on, and as already noted, shows why hydrogen is typically OT for this list. I'm not prepared to debate the merits of hydrogen as a fuel or energy store here. I had those debates from the late 1990s to 2006. My stance now is you have to read my book to continue the discussion, because the issues with hydrogen are many, and you have to solve all of them to have a valid contender. To your specific points in your last post. We have made incredible advances in greening the grid, and I have been an active participant in that. I charge EVs primarily in Ontario and Quebec. Quebec has zero coal, zero natural gas generation and a trivial amount of diesel generation for communities not connected to the North American continental grid. The bulk of their generation comes from big hydro, although small hydro, wind and PV are growing from a small foothold. All in all, over 99% electricity generation from renewables. Not by 2045. Today. Ontario has made significant strides in the past decade, in no small part due to the efforts of the Ontario Clean Air Alliance. Ontario generation has zero coal, 4% natural gas (shrinking), a serious amount of large hydro, and growing amounts of wind and PV. We're not done yet. We are seriously over-invested in nuclear and continuing down that wrong path. Our new government is in favour of dinosaur generation sources, and cancelled over 750 signed renewables contracts in their first month in office (breach of contract lawsuits to follow) and our EV purchase incentive program. Shutting down all coal-fired generation in Ontario is the single largest greenhouse gas emissions reduction project in North America to date. All in all, less than 4% generation from fossil carbon sources (natural gas and diesel generation in remote communities). Still, we aren't finished yet. Storage projects are continuing to be built to displace the need for the gas peaker plants. Old small hydro plants are being upgraded. Remote communities are being connected to the grid to eliminate the need for diesel generation. We have also made incredible progress in making battery electric vehicles, especially the battery technology, sufficient for most driving needs, reliable and affordable. There is excitement in that field and no indication the cost and storage capacity trends are going to change anytime soon. We are also making substantial strides in provisioning a charging network throughout the industrialized and industrializing world to support away-from-base charging, to extend the utility of battery EVs in every day missions. And we're working on how to continue in those directions while supporting, not threatening, electrical utilities and grid reliability. As for my sources on hydrogen technology, they include hydrogen proponents, scientists, engineers, journals in multiple fields, and various news media. The hydrogen skeptics don't bother poking me. And for clarity, regarding hydrogen, I did not say nothing has changed, I said things have not changed much on the technology side other than increasing on-board storage. Darryl McMahon (driving electric since 1978) On 12/27/2018 11:02 AM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:32:43 -0800 From: Mark Abramowitz To:dar...@econogics.com, Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner? Message-ID:<31d037dd-aa34-425f-8e6e-b1587e84e...@enviropolicy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We?ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening the grid. By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen should be 100% renewable. (BTW, if you think that nothing else has changed in hydrogen technology in the last several years, there is something wrong with your sources) - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -- Darryl McMahon Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure
On 12/28/18 3:49 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Without subsidies and a nearby H2 filling station, you would not be driving fuel cell vehicles. And besides, nobody claims H2 does not work. Pardon me, Cor. I should have said "work competitively". On Dec 27, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I read the above to be just wild unsubstantiated conjecture/opinion. Alien invaders could be landing tomorrow. Maybe they will tell us how to make hydrogen work. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Without subsidies and a nearby H2 filling station, you would not be driving fuel cell vehicles. And besides, nobody claims H2 does not work. Toyota would not have released a car if it did not work. It is just that it is an answer seeking for a problem to solve, because that answer is what some influential people want to see. So, now they are trying to convince the regulators and govts that there is a problem that this answer is needed for. Doing so, damages the *real* better answer, which leads to much better efficiency and lower emissions. Also, that other answer is already successful in the market. So, wasting untold millions in developing a new answer which is *proven* to be much worse deal all around, is silly and a boondoggle. I have no clue how you can’t see that – either you have difficulty with Physics or you have some hidden interest in making H2 great, despite that it is only the claim that makes it great, not any facts. Reminds me of a certain politician that I will certainly *not* name here. Let’s kill the bandwidth consumption for H2 right now. Thanks. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mark Abramowitz via EV Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2018 10:04 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Abramowitz Subject: Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you wanted to hear. If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a primary source on that. We have three fuel cell electric cars in the family. We get where we want to go. But maybe it’s just alien invaders propelling the cars. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 27, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 12/27/18 6:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article >> https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/automotive-and-assembly/our-insights/hydrogen-the-next-wave-for-electric-vehicles >> > > Well.. I thought Mark had some positive comment to make. I read the > above to be just wild unsubstantiated conjecture/opinion. Alien invaders > could be landing tomorrow. Maybe they will tell us how to make hydrogen work. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181228/1fab48cc/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
