Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 19:57, paul dove via EV wrote: > Still it doesnTMt make a lot of > sense because it says 29900 euros or $47000 in Germany. Germany doesnTMt use > dollars so I assumed USD. > > But if they are loosing 4700 per car itTMs still more than a Tesla to build. It's an AUSTRALIAN

Re: [EVDL] Convert Eerie Creepy Disappearing Gas Stations2: public EVSE Availability

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 19:05, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Its likely the utility's EV program subscribers receive a separate cps > chargepoint rfi card to gain access. This seems unjust. From what I can see, if you're going to use public charging much, you end up with a pocket full of RFID cards and a

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 17:04, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I don't think the situation is hopeless or impossible. But it is > certainly difficult. > > It's the Innovator's Dilemma. How do you sell a disruptive new product > in a market already controlled by entrenched competitors? Answer? You > can't.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread paul dove via EV
Sorry my mistake I thought it said pounds. Still it doesn’t make a lot of sense because it says 29900 euros or $47000 in Germany. Germany doesn’t use dollars so I assumed USD. But if they are loosing 4700 per car it’s still more than a Tesla to build. Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2019, at

[EVDL] Convert Eerie Creepy Disappearing Gas Stations2: public EVSE Availability

2019-05-05 Thread brucedp5 via EV
Bob's post http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Availability-of-public-chargers-NOT-tp4693463p4693489.html said along the similar lines as I was thinking. Not everyone has access to any-level of charging, either at home or at work. There are a large number of untapped EV

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT (and apartments)

2019-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 5 May 2019 at 20:36, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Nope. Sorry. GM is a mass market manufacturer. That's a

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Good counter arguments! Thanks You're welcome. And Thank YOU for such a cogent description on the number of gas stations and amount of "fueling time that would be needed. I'm no researcher, so it's hard for me to dig up this kind of information. -- "If I

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Anecdotal evidence: I have charged a grand total of 1 time at the public charging station across the street... So, for me the balance lies at over 99% private charging. I suspect others have similar experience and this skews the picture quite a bit away from

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: For all those reasons, Lee mentioned, light weight solar vehicles make sense. If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Lawrence Rhodes Ah, but what you and I want

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 20:36, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk > that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Nope. Sorry. GM is a mass market manufacturer. That's a technical marvel, not a mass appeal

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
my worry. > > > > -- > > Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. The wise avoid it. > > Geniuses remove it. -- Alan Perlis, "Epigrams on Programming" > > -- > > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > > ___

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 6:25, paul dove via EV wrote: > You can get a Tesla cheaper than that without the incentive Really? How? AFAIK VW haven't announced a dollar price, or even whether they'll offer the ID here, but if you translate 29.9k Eur directly to US$ it would be US$33.6k at today's

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
p://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190505/81062f28/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now. The 300 million cars are served by about 120,000 gas stations in the USA... What about when we get to 300M EVs? Lets assume 80% charge at home leaving 60M needing public

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread paul dove via EV
You can get a Tesla cheaper than that without the incentive Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2019, at 6:54 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > An entry ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Barra sez GM's e-putruck adamantly confirmed> (camo shots)

2019-05-05 Thread Willie via EV
On 5/5/19 12:02 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 4 May 2019 at 19:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: General Motors CEO Mary Barra has confirmed to reporters the automaker will one day offer a battery electric pickup truck. Yeah, "one day." Right. I'm still waiting for the electric

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 13:20, Matt Lacey via EV wrote: > Likely the vw is measured on a more realistic cycle Figures for both EVs are on the (unrealistic) WLTP cycle. In theory, they should be comparable. AFAIK, VW hasn't published a "real world" range number yet. It will be interesting to see