[EVDL] Schwarzenegger pranks public> acting ice-head role in ProEV-ad (v)
https://www.wired.com/story/arnold-schwarzenegger-stars-new-ad-plugging-electric-cars/ Arnold Schwarzenegger Stars in a New Ad Plugging Electric Cars 06.25.19 Alex Davies [video / John van Hasselt/Getty Images https://youtu.be/rXodSqMpuUQ Arnold Goes Undercover as a Used Car Salesman to Prank Customers ] ... It’s hard to disguise Arnold Schwarzenegger. There’s the size of the man—even at 71 years old, he’s broad, if not soaring. His face has been a regular presence on screens for decades. And of course, he’s got that accent. “No one can hide the accent,” Schwarzenegger says. So the men and women looking to buy an electric car at a Burbank, California, dealership weren’t fooled when a large Austrian wearing a fake mustache, wig, and Hawaiian shirt introduced himself as Howard Kleiner. Nor were they fooled by his patently ridiculous arguments against going electric: That a horribly noisy Hummer will impress rather than piss off one’s neighbors, that street cred beats a tax credit, that generating pollution is an easy way to curb overpopulation, that hitting the gas pump “is sometimes more satisfying than sex.” But the jokey lines and the confused reactions of the car shoppers produce what may be an effective ad. The former bodybuilder is, in fact, a big fan of electric cars who signed a fair number of pro-environment bills into law during his two terms as California’s governor. And so the commercial gets serious at the end, with Schwarzenegger saying, “Electric cars save money, time, and the environment, without sacrificing any of the fun and excitement of driving.” The “Kicking Gas” ad, which debuts Tuesday, is the work of Veloz, a consortium of more than 40 automakers, utility companies, government agencies, and advocacy groups dedicated to accelerating the adoption of electric cars in California. Veloz will share the four-minute video online, pay to promote it on Facebook and Instagram, and rent 34 digital billboards across California for four weeks to point people to the video on Veloz’s website. “We’re really trying to move electric cars out of the early adopter phase,” says Josh Boone, Veloz’s executive director. Even if US regulations remain lax, rulemaking from Europe and especially China has pushed automakers to pledge their allegiance to an electric future. The road from here to there, though, is rough. American consumers can now choose among dozens of battery-powered models, and while sales have increased in recent years, EVs still make up fewer than 2 percent of new car purchases. A lack of advertising may account for part of the holdup. An analysis by the Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management found that in 2017, various automakers including Chevrolet, Nissan, Ford, and Toyota spent five to 10 times more money promoting their gas-powered cars as their electrics. One possible explanation is that EVs just aren’t good business. A recent McKinsey report found that while battery costs are steadily dropping, an electric can cost $12,000 more to produce than its internal combustion engine equivalent, and that carmakers “stand to lose money on almost every EV sold.” To make things worse, General Motors, Nissan, and Tesla are all facing the phase out of the federal tax credit that saved their buyers $7,500 for buying electric. It’s reasonable to prioritize advertising pickup trucks and SUVs, where automakers generate most of their profits. The auto industry, though, points to a different reason for that gap: Electric cars demand different kinds of ads. A Ford spokesperson says running ads during NFL games may work for high-volume pickup trucks, but “EV customers are less likely to consume as much TV so we have to approach them differently.” Toyota notes that mass media doesn’t make sense for models that (at least for now) sell in such small volumes. And Mike Hayes, who runs marketing and advertising for Chevrolet’s electric offerings, says that because the ownership experience is novel to many, a 15- or 30-second TV spot isn’t much help. “You need to convey a lot of information,” he says, about how things like charging and government rebates work. That’s why these brands all focus their advertising efforts online, where views are cheaper, time is less limited, and potential buyers are easier to target. (Tesla, which has sold more EVs than anyone, doesn’t advertise at all, relying on word of mouth and the free publicity CEO Elon Musk generates.) That makes sense, says JoAnn Sciarrino, who directs the Stan Richards School of Advertising & Public Relations at the University of Texas. Going online with a funny ad—and Schwarzenegger does have comedic talent—that people want to share is an easy way to make the most of a small budget. (Schwarzenegger did the ad for free, he says.) “Just because something doesn’t garner hundreds of millions of views isn’t bad,” she says, if your target audience is relatively small. Volkswagen, eager to scrub its dirty diesel scandal from consumers’
Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
hone > >> > On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: >> >> California > tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen > infrastructure. > https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen=typd > Nancy Skinner, a well meaning Democrat from Berkely, is > leading the charge with a senate bill. Please send your > messages of truth that hydrogen is wasteful, inefficient and > will hold people hostage to the whims of the market like > gasoline and diesel. The only reason hydrogen is being > pushed is to propagate the gasoline/diesel model started in > the last two centuries. Lawrence Rhodes >> >> >> >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190625/5b59b36b/attachment.html> >> > ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190625/cd5def20/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
Since you end with a flurry of inaccurate and personal attacks, I’ll start there. First of all, the three fuel cell cars in my family run on less fossil fuel than most BEV drivers on this list. (If you always charge your car with 100% solar energy, congratulations, you are cleaner than me - for now). Check the latest CEC numbers for grid renewable content. Secondly, as far as my income from hydrogen advocacy, I’m not sure where you got the impression that I make living from hydrogen advocacy, but your comment is false and misleading. Over the last five years or so, I’ve earned ZERO from hydrogen advocacy. In fact, much of my income derives from providing advice in recommending spending in support of BEV technologies. I will admit to having some hydrogen industry client on occasion - but you are barking up the wrong tree, my friend. And if you remember that I offered to help you with BEV charging infrastructure difficulties at Caltech a few years ago - that wasn’t paid either. Third, I’m not sure what on earth you are talking about when you complain about the market, and then say prices are too low. But whatever your concerns, they can be addressed , much the same way as electricity prices are. To suggest that hydrogen embrittlement has been a problem and caused problems is false on its face - you are the first I have EVER seen suggest that. I won’t disparage the cost of battery electric infrastructure because it’s one of the two zero emission technologies we have, and is important for cleaning the air, but let’s just say that your implicit assumptions about total cost miss the mark, particularly at scale. But there are many in the fossil fuel industry who will welcome your emphasis on cost. I don’t know where and how you get your efficiency numbers, but the technology is changing quickly - but I know that that’s not what matters to you anyway, as such a full throated attack on one of the electric drive technologies that differ in storage mechanism have to be about something more than that. You start with “let’s be clear”, but you’ve given us everything but, except maybe clearly wrong. Very Trumpesque. I won’t argue any more with you - you want to slow progress towards clean air, go ahead - you’re doing the fossil industry’s work for them. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 25, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Lawrence Rhodes > wrote: > > Let's be clear. Hydrogen is three times more inefficient than BEV when > electrolyzed. It is twice as inefficient when reformed from natural gas. > Hydrogen stations are a million dollars or more. Fast chargers are 50k. > Level iI chargers start at $200.00. You can go to the EPA fuel economy site > to see the figures. Hydrogen embrittlement is a major problem and must be > addressed after the accidents in Oslo, Santa Clara and Southern California. > Think Hindenburg. While I think Hydrogen is a stupid idea I have no problem > with Shell or Chevron making a fueling system. It is exactly the same system > used to hold hostage all users to the quirks of the market and why we have 4 > dollar gas which is half what it should be. .However when my tax dollars are > used to subsidize this wasteful technology I object and will do everything in > my power to throw a monkey wrench in the works. So Mark with you profiting > from hydrogen advocacy you are not objective and I could compare you to a > coal miner losing his job because of superior technology. Take your fossil > fuel powered cell phone and crawl back under the rock you came from. > Lawrence Rhodes > > > On Tue, 6/25/19, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" > Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 3:22 PM > > Is there even the most minutiae > of evidence of your preposterous assertion? > > It’s simply not true. False. > Kochish. > > And > anti-environmental, to boot. > > - Mark > > Sent > from my natural gas powered iPhone > >> > On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: >> >> California > tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen > infrastructure. > https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen=typd > Nancy Skinner, a well meaning Democrat from Berkely, is > leading the charge with a senate bill. Please send your > messages of truth that hydrogen is wasteful, inefficient and > will hold people hostage to the whims of the market like > gasoline and diesel. The only reason hydrogen is being > pushed is to propagate the gasoline/diesel model started in > the last two centuries. Lawrence Rhodes >> >> >> >> >> -- next pa
Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
Let's be clear. Hydrogen is three times more inefficient than BEV when electrolyzed. It is twice as inefficient when reformed from natural gas. Hydrogen stations are a million dollars or more. Fast chargers are 50k. Level iI chargers start at $200.00. You can go to the EPA fuel economy site to see the figures. Hydrogen embrittlement is a major problem and must be addressed after the accidents in Oslo, Santa Clara and Southern California. Think Hindenburg. While I think Hydrogen is a stupid idea I have no problem with Shell or Chevron making a fueling system. It is exactly the same system used to hold hostage all users to the quirks of the market and why we have 4 dollar gas which is half what it should be. .However when my tax dollars are used to subsidize this wasteful technology I object and will do everything in my power to throw a monkey wrench in the works. So Mark with you profiting from hydrogen advocacy you are not objective and I could compare you to a coal miner losing his job because of superior technology. Take your fossil fuel powered cell phone and crawl back under the rock you came from. Lawrence Rhodes On Tue, 6/25/19, Mark Abramowitz wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 3:22 PM Is there even the most minutiae of evidence of your preposterous assertion? It’s simply not true. False. Kochish. And anti-environmental, to boot. - Mark Sent from my natural gas powered iPhone > On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > California tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen infrastructure. https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen=typd Nancy Skinner, a well meaning Democrat from Berkely, is leading the charge with a senate bill. Please send your messages of truth that hydrogen is wasteful, inefficient and will hold people hostage to the whims of the market like gasoline and diesel. The only reason hydrogen is being pushed is to propagate the gasoline/diesel model started in the last two centuries. Lawrence Rhodes > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190625/5b59b36b/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
On 25 Jun 2019 at 16:10, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > California tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen > infrastructure. https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen > c=typd That link gives me a blank page. I don't do Twitter anyway. Could you please quote or summarize the contents for those of us who aren't Twitter Twits? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.
California tax dollars are being spent to support hydrogen infrastructure. https://twitter.com/search?q=%40NancySkinnerCA%20hydrogen=typd Nancy Skinner, a well meaning Democrat from Berkely, is leading the charge with a senate bill. Please send your messages of truth that hydrogen is wasteful, inefficient and will hold people hostage to the whims of the market like gasoline and diesel. The only reason hydrogen is being pushed is to propagate the gasoline/diesel model started in the last two centuries. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190625/5b59b36b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVSE.nz ice'd (That boiled my blood)> $60 deterrent fines
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1=12243110
Electric shocker: Petrolheads snag Auckland EV charging spots
24 Jun, 2019 Dubby Henry Dubby.Henry @nzherald.co.nz
[images
http://arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/SKJRTNJCM5HWDFOL6RVTLRENJE.jpg
Petrol-powered cars block electric vehicle charging stations in the Fanshawe
St car park. The blue VW Polo's driver - a repeat offender - does contract
work for Auckland Transport
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/YxhxHLPdLmwGhd6TBpzsl4HuWjc=/620x827/smart/filters:quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5UEBMASERJHA3PF2FSSMG6YNR4.jpg
A contractor parked his petrol-powered car in an electric vehicle charging
station at Fanshawe St carpark - and left the AT CEO's assistant's business
card in the window
]
Motorists parking petrol-powered cars in electric vehicle charging spots
will soon face instant fines as councils around the country are given the
power to crack down on offenders.
The news has been welcomed by frustrated EV drivers who say they are
frequently having trouble finding a park at some of Auckland's free charging
stations where the current punishment - a warning note on the windscreen -
is a waste of time.
It is hoped the $60 fines might be a deterrent to the likes of one Auckland
Transport contractor who has been caught twice doing exactly what his bosses
are trying to discourage.
The brazen contractor has been busted parking his petrol-powered car in a
electric vehicle charging spot in the CBD ...
• EV owners sick of queuing for charge points [
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1=12054368
]
And, it appears he tried to get away with flouting the rules by leaving
contact information for a high-ranking member of Auckland Transport staff on
the dashboard.
On Friday Dale Anthony, who drives an electric vehicle, photographed the
petrol-powered 2017 Volkswagen Polo hogging one of six EV charging spots in
the Fanshawe St car park, owned by AT.
Then he spied a business card for AT CEO Shane Ellison's executive assistant
in the window - which left him fuming about apparent "double standards" at
the council-controlled organisation.
Have you been affected? Email us newsdesk @nzherald.co.nz
"That boiled my blood that someone thinks they can work for Auckland
Transport and can block EV charging stations."
But all was not as it seemed. The AT staff member was innocent; her business
card appears to have been used to snaffle a park without her knowledge,
according to Auckland Transport spokesman Mark Hannan.
"It is a contractor for Auckland Transport who has been told on at least
two occasions he's not allowed to park there."
He suspected the man would be issued with more than a warning this time.
Anthony owns a Nissan Leaf [EV], which he drives from Birkenhead to work in
South Auckland - a 60km round trip. The Leaf needs charging after 100km, so
when he adds in a trip to a business meeting in the city, he needs to
rejuice.
But too often he finds chargers blocked by "self-entitled" drivers who don't
need them.
In May he snapped a photo of the same VW and four other petrol-powered cars
in charging spots. He complained to AT, which put "polite notices" on the
cars' windscreens, he said.
Anthony belongs to several EV forums online and says users are frequently
reporting having trouble finding a free charging station thanks to vehicles
with internal combustion engines (ICE) blocking the way.
He is now calling for AT to enforce the rules.
On June 1 it became an offence to park a non-EV in an EV charging space,
under an amendment to the Land Transport Rules.
A proposed penalty of $150 was cut to $60 after submitters complained it was
not a road-safety issue.
Councils must now ratify the legislation to allow them to fine offending
vehicles.
AT spokesman Mark Hannan said AT would be enforcing the rules "as soon as
the appropriate legislative controls are formalised... that will be very
soon".
"Soon we will be able to legally use infringements/fines for people who are
not EV vehicles," he said.
"At the moment it's just hoping people are reasonable and aren't parking
there."
Last year Auckland Mayor Phil Goff - who drives an EV - announced Auckland
Transport had purchased 20 EVs for its fleet, saying it needed to lead by
example.
Goff has set a zero-emissions target for the city centre by 2025, and this
month Auckland Council declared a climate emergency.
[© nzherald.co.nz]
For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
http://evdl.org/archive/
{brucedp.neocities.org}
--
Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/
___
UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] (EVs exempt) eco-protection.cn fine& pts> could lose drvrs-lic
https://tass.com/society/1065395
24 Jun, 22:00
Hainan to restrict car traffic from other provinces
The Hainan authorities actively promote the use of cars on eco-friendly
energy sources in order to preserve the island's environment
HAIKOU, June 25./TASS./ The authorities of the Chinese southern province of
Hainan will impose a restriction on the movement of vehicles registered in
other Chinese regions starting August 1, 2019. According to the China
Daily, these steps are aimed at reducing traffic and protecting the island’s
ecology.
According to the plan developed by Hainan's departments of public security,
transport and environmental protection, vehicles registered in other
provinces can drive around the island for no more than 120 days a year. If
the limit is exceeded, the driver will be fined 100 yuan (about $ 14.7) and
will receive three penalty points. According to the Chinese law, for
violating certain traffic regulation standards, the driver does not only get
a fine, but also points to the driver's license. If a driver gains more than
12 points in one year, their certificate will be revoked until the driving
test has been passed once again.
According to the news outlet, cars from other regions will be registered in
a special online system, through which drivers will be able to track the
number of days remaining until the limit is exceeded. This information, as
the newspaper reports, will also be available through the official account
of the Hainan Traffic Department in the WeChat messenger.
The new rules will not apply to fire service vehicles, ambulances, and
electric vehicles. As for the latter, the Hainan authorities actively
promote the use of cars on eco-friendly energy sources in order to preserve
the island's environment.
[© tass.com]
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan
Jump to Province-wide infrastructure improvements - Hainan is the smallest
and southernmost province of the People's Republic of China (PRC),
consisting of various islands in the South China Sea ...
For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
http://evdl.org/archive/
{brucedp.neocities.org}
--
Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/
___
UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
