[EVDL] Tesla .de gigafactory resumes> move wildlife, use less water

2020-02-20 Thread evln via EV


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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-gets-ahead-resume-clearing-213722173.html
Tesla Gets Go-Ahead to Resume Clearing Forest in Germany
February 20, 2020  Karin Matussek, Stefan Nicola  Bloomberg

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(Bloomberg) -- Tesla Inc. has overcome a legal roadblock standing in the way
of Elon Musk’s plan to build an electric-car factory in Germany.

A Berlin-Brandenburg court on Thursday ruled that Tesla can resume cutting
down trees at a forest site in the small town of Gruenheide to make way for
its first assembly plant in Europe. That puts the U.S. carmaker on track to
start construction before the start of a crucial breeding period for local
wildlife in March.

The court found that local authorities didn’t violate laws when they allowed
work on the factory to start, throwing out a complaint by Gruene Liga
Brandenburg, an environmental group that claimed Tesla and local authorities
were sidestepping regulations to rush the project.

The decision is a boon to Tesla’s ambitious timetable to have the plant up
and running by the middle of next year. The company plans to eventually
produce as many as 500,000 cars a year at the site, employing 12,000 people
and posing a serious challenge to Volkswagen AG, Daimler AG and BMW AG.

Musk, Tesla’s chief executive officer, recently tried to ease local concerns
about water usage at the plant, which would border a nature reserve.

Local officials had warned that construction could be delayed by six to nine
months if the forest isn’t cleared by mid-March. Tesla has already cut down
two-thirds of the trees and should be able to fell the remainder in time.

Brandenburg’s environment ministry this month gave Tesla a preliminary green
light to start cutting down trees in an area equivalent to 100 soccer fields
ahead of granting final approval. The court stopped the process with an
injunction on Feb. 15. By late Thursday, the appeals court ruled that legal
requirements to allow early construction were met.

Gruene Liga has warned that Tesla’s plant could threaten the region’s water
supply and overburden local transport infrastructure. The group argued that
authorities shouldn’t have allowed the forest to start being cleared until
after March 5, the deadline set for environmental groups to comment on the
project.

Local officials argue the site is an inferior pine forest planted to be
harvested in the first place. The planned factory is of “great significance”
to climate change prevention and one of the most important industrial
investments in eastern Germany “in a long time,” Economy Minister Peter
Altmaier told German publisher Funke Mediengruppe this week.

The factory will be designed with “sustainability and the environment in
mind,” Musk said last month on Twitter, adding Tesla will plant three new
trees for every one cut. The company still needs final approval for the
project from authorities in the state of Brandenburg.

Tesla will also have to scare off or relocate wolves, bats, snakes, ants and
lizards until construction is over. Under German regulations, the project
must consider the breeding period for local wildlife in spring.
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https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-wants-to-use-less-water-at-gigafactory-4-than-planned
Tesla wants to use less water at Gigafactory 4 than planned, says BUND 
January 24, 2020  BUND (Bund für Umwelt und Naturschutz Deutschland) works
at all levels: 
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1220938613862436865
there are more than 2000 voluntary BUND groups in the Germany that deal with
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/19/germans-divided-plans-tesla-electric-car-factory-environmentalists-tree-felling
Germans divided over plans for Tesla electric car factory.
16 Feb 2020 ... German court orders Tesla to stop felling trees for
Gigafactory ...  Logs are piled up using a tree excavator at the site. About
92 hectares of pine trees must be cleared to make way for the factory ...
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[EVDL] Cobalt-free batteries

2020-02-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Very important breakthrough, if true that Tesla is doing this:

https://www-inverse-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.inverse.com/innovation/we-could-run-out-of-materials-for-building-electric-car-batteries/amp


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Re: [EVDL] Both Taycan burnt-crisp> no-injures (v)

2020-02-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I have to disagree.

Is it even a huge surprise? Yes, you would hope that it would never happen, but 
this is clearly part of the growing pains of a massively growing industry. 

But bad news for enthusiasts? That overstates it’s impact on the industry.  
It’s a sign of the growing industry, the need to improve the technology, and 
manage its risks. 

Bad incident, but not necessarily impactful to enthusiasts.

- Mark

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> On Feb 20, 2020, at 7:08 AM, paul dove via EV  wrote:
> 
>  That is not good news for EV enthusiasts. Sorry to hear that 
> 
> Who thinks it was the wiring in the garage rather than the car? 
> 
>On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 7:17:40 AM CST, evln via EV 
>  wrote:  
> 
> 
> 
> https://gulfnews.com/auto/news/brand-new-taycan-porsches-first-electric-vehicle-goes-up-in-flames---destroys-garage-it-was-parked-in-too-1.1582186583616
> Brand new Taycan, Porsche's first electric vehicle, goes up in flames -
> destroys garage it was parked in too...
> February 20, 2020  Imran Malik
> 
> [video
> https://youtu.be/dJ-inHgc8-E
> Porsche Taycan Fire and Explosion in a Florida Garage
> ]
> 
> A brand-new Taycan, Porsche’s first electric vehicle, caught fire and was
> burnt to a crisp in Florida while it was parked in a residential garage.
> 
> The fire totally gutted the EV and also caused thousands of dollars in
> damages to the garage where it was parked overnight - but fortunately there
> were no reported injuries. A full investigation is currently ongoing.
> 
> “Late on the 16th of February, we were made aware of an incident at a
> residential address where one of our cars was parked overnight. We are
> investigating and we remain ready to assist if called upon. We are relieved
> to hear that no one was harmed in this incident, and that it’s too early to
> speculate on the cause until the investigation has concluded,” read a
> statement from Porsche.
> 
> At this point in time, it is not clear how the sports saloon caught fire –
> but it is the first reported incident involving Porsche’s first electric
> car.
> 
> However, this isn’t the first EV to catch fire; several high-profile models
> have gone up in smoke including a Jaguar I-Pace, Hyundai Kona EV, and a
> Tesla Model S while Audi recalled a few hundred E-Trons due to faulty
> batteries.

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Re: [EVDL] Both Taycan burnt-crisp> no-injures (v)

2020-02-20 Thread Willie via EV




On 2/20/20 7:24 AM, paul dove via EV wrote:

  That is not good news for EV enthusiasts. Sorry to hear that

Who thinks it was the wiring in the garage rather than the car?


It should eventually be obvious and be revealed whether garage wiring or 
car was the source.  I eagerly await a report.



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[EVDL] CommutaVan/Postal trucks for sale

2020-02-20 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
NOT BY ME!  Just forwarding a post from Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/791034301382135/

Yeah, FaceBook posting.
5 of them for $100 ea.
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Re: [EVDL] Both Taycan burnt-crisp> no-injures (v)

2020-02-20 Thread paul dove via EV
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the garage of a Florida home on February 16. Thankfully, no one was injured.
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It's Not Just Electric Vehicles. Gas Cars Catch On Fire,
Too!
2020-02-20 .. reignited misplaced fears that electric vehicles are prone to
bursting into flames ... it's important to understand that ICE also burst
into flames ... 11 times more likely ... 5,020 gas station fires per year
from 2004 to 2008 ... fires aren't just a problem for electric vehicles ...
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[EVDL] Both Taycan burnt-crisp> no-injures (v)

2020-02-20 Thread evln via EV


https://gulfnews.com/auto/news/brand-new-taycan-porsches-first-electric-vehicle-goes-up-in-flames---destroys-garage-it-was-parked-in-too-1.1582186583616
Brand new Taycan, Porsche's first electric vehicle, goes up in flames -
destroys garage it was parked in too...
February 20, 2020  Imran Malik

[video
https://youtu.be/dJ-inHgc8-E
Porsche Taycan Fire and Explosion in a Florida Garage
]

A brand-new Taycan, Porsche’s first electric vehicle, caught fire and was
burnt to a crisp in Florida while it was parked in a residential garage.

The fire totally gutted the EV and also caused thousands of dollars in
damages to the garage where it was parked overnight - but fortunately there
were no reported injuries. A full investigation is currently ongoing.

“Late on the 16th of February, we were made aware of an incident at a
residential address where one of our cars was parked overnight. We are
investigating and we remain ready to assist if called upon. We are relieved
to hear that no one was harmed in this incident, and that it’s too early to
speculate on the cause until the investigation has concluded,” read a
statement from Porsche.

At this point in time, it is not clear how the sports saloon caught fire –
but it is the first reported incident involving Porsche’s first electric
car.

However, this isn’t the first EV to catch fire; several high-profile models
have gone up in smoke including a Jaguar I-Pace, Hyundai Kona EV, and a
Tesla Model S while Audi recalled a few hundred E-Trons due to faulty
batteries.
[© gulfnews.com]


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2 days ago - A Porsche Taycan was devoured by a fire while it was parked in
the garage of a Florida home on February 16. Thankfully, no one was injured.
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