[EVDL] Lawrence' 2013 Leaf 12v aux battery replacement
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Why-not-a-lithium-12v-battery-for-my-Leaf-or-other-EV-tp4696525.html Lawrence sez' https://www.amazon.com/FirePower-Featherweight-Lithium-Battery-HJTZ5S-FP-IL/dp/B00DX894B2 might be a replacement 12V battery http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-more-Lawrence-Leaf-lithium-12v-aux-battery-tp4696543.html ] More thoughts: % Lawrence might be satisfied with this thread at this point, but this is an EV question that will come up again and again. Explore links I found on 51r batteries that fit in a 2013 Leaf, below % https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=27429 Purchasing a 12V battery? Advice... https://goo.gl/maps/JMx8tKRAmEu8NcD38 map auto battery sources near Lawrence in SF-CA https://www.pepboys.com/champion-auto-battery-group-size-51r/product/1767337 $98+ champion 51r wet @pepboys Height (in.)8.75 Cranking Amps @ 32F 625 Terminal Type A Width (in.) 5.06 Reserve Capacity (minutes) 85 Length (in.)9.38 Group Size 51R Voltage 12 BCI # 51R Weight (lbs)28 Height (mm) 222 Length (mm) 238 Right Or Left Hand Positive Left Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) @ 0F 500 Width (mm) 128 Wet or Dry Wet https://www.autozone.com/batteries-starting-and-charging/battery/nissandatsun/leaf 1575 S VAN NESS AVE - SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94110 https://www.autozone.com/batteries-starting-and-charging/battery/duralast-battery-51r-dl-group-size-51r-425-cca/115786_175927_25698 $140+ duralast-battery-51r-dl wet @autozone Part Number:51R-DL Weight: 26.81lbs Warranty: 2 YEAR Notes: Alternate Fit *** 425 Cold cranking amps (530 cranking amps) ***. 75 reserve minutes. Warranty consists of 2 years free replacement. AGM RECOMMENDED: this vehicle is identified as having high electrical loads by a leading researcher. % Even autozone sez (above) a higher Ah agm is a better fit than a cheapo/short-lived wet-cell 51r % https://www.autozone.com/batteries-starting-and-charging/battery/optima-battery-d51r-group-size-51-450-cca/467602_0_0 $238+ optima agm @autozone Part Number:D51R Weight: 26.01lbs Warranty: 3 YEAR Notes: Alternate Fit *** 450 Cold cranking amps (575 cranking amps) ***. 66 reserve minutes. Warranty consist of 3 years free replacement. Yellow Top (Deep Cycle). AGM RECOMMENDED: this vehicle is identified as having high electrical loads by a leading researcher. https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/battery---best-fit-16245/ec27e4e51018?sort=price+asc 4540 South Mission St San Francisco, CA 94112 (415) 586-8262 https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/31624da3221a/2013/nissan/leaf https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/premium-4997/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/battery---best-fit-16245/aa237490c00e/super-start-premium-group-size-51r-battery/51rprmj/4742511/2013/nissan/leaf $140+ 51r wet @oreillyauto Warranty: 2 Year LIMITED WARRANTY https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/platinum-5003/battery-accessories-16452/battery---automotive-16864/battery---best-fit-16245/ec27e4e51018/super-start-platinum-group-size-51r-top-post-battery/51rplt/5880657/2013/nissan/leaf $200+ 51r agm @oreillyauto Store Pickup CarQuest - 3594 510-783-4544 24005 Clawiter Road Hayward, CA - 94545 https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/autocraft-silver-battery-group-size-51r-410-cca-51r-1/2040107-P?navigationPath=L1*14920%7CL2*15000%7CL3*15597%7CL4*13646 $140+ autocraft wet 51R https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/autocraft-platinum-agm-battery-group-size-51r-435-cca-51r-agm/11920918-P?navigationPath=L1*14920%7CL2*15000%7CL3*15597%7CL4*13646 $200+ autocraft agm Amp Hour: 41.0 AH https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/optima-yellow-top-deep-cycle-battery-group-size-51r-450-cca-d51r/16940001-P?navigationPath=L1*14920%7CL2*15000%7CL3*15597%7CL4*13646 $240+ optima-yellow-top-deep-cycle 51R Jim Ramos @Amercan Battery (510) 259-1150 3496 Arden Rd, Hayward, CA 94545 (call for a 12V deep cycle w/ 51r dimensions & posts) % imo, there is no off-the-shelf, cost effective li-ion battery that will fit, have a high enough Ah capacity, and is affordable. Nissan engineers knew this, so they designed using a cheap PbSO4 starter battery that will eventually fail, making profit$ for stealerships. Reading through the leaf forum threads on this topic, there are choices: -go cheap with another wet cell battery, that will fail and need replacing in a few years, with plenty of acid spray corroding near the battery. Advantages: cheap & easy 51r drop in replacement, +auto-tech will accept this type of 12V aux battery. -pay more for a higher-Ah sealed agm, that will last longer before needing replacement. Advantages: not-as-cheap 51r drop in replacement, with a longer life, +auto-tech will accept this type of 12V aux battery. -pay
Re: [EVDL] (+more) Lawrence' Leaf: lithium 12v aux battery
Also, some bluetooth ODBII dongles will keep your cars computer on even if they are just plugged in without a phone connected to them. I generally only use LeafSpy once every few months to get a record of my state of health, and don't bother to collect driving data. Jay On 2/26/20 6:16 PM, jim via EV wrote: I have a 2013 Leaf and I found that the 12 volt battery was not keeping a charge if the car sat for more than a few days. After lots of checking current draw, etc., I discovered that my cell phone that has Leaf Spy Pro installed was the problem. This is an older phone that no longer has a sim card and is only used for Leaf Spy, and I had begun leaving this phone in the garage, plugged in to a phone charger, with the phone left "on" so I wouldn't have a delay in turning the phone on and getting it connected to the car when I drove the Leaf. But, having the phone "on" and near the car apparently meant that the Leaf's computer was running and connected to the phone, draining the 12 volt battery in a few days, draining it enough so that the Leaf wouldn't start. When I stopped leaving the phone "on", I quit having Leaf 12 volt battery problems, and this same 12 volt battery is working fine over a year later. Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200226/8b89518c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] (+more) Lawrence' Leaf: lithium 12v aux battery
I have a 2013 Leaf and I found that the 12 volt battery was not keeping a charge if the car sat for more than a few days. After lots of checking current draw, etc., I discovered that my cell phone that has Leaf Spy Pro installed was the problem. This is an older phone that no longer has a sim card and is only used for Leaf Spy, and I had begun leaving this phone in the garage, plugged in to a phone charger, with the phone left "on" so I wouldn't have a delay in turning the phone on and getting it connected to the car when I drove the Leaf. But, having the phone "on" and near the car apparently meant that the Leaf's computer was running and connected to the phone, draining the 12 volt battery in a few days, draining it enough so that the Leaf wouldn't start. When I stopped leaving the phone "on", I quit having Leaf 12 volt battery problems, and this same 12 volt battery is working fine over a year later. Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200226/8b89518c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Gates' Taycan purchase> Musk’s ire trash-tweets underwhelming-Bill
A Porsche is cool and if I had Bill Gates money I’d by one too but I would also
own a Tesla so I could actually drive it somewhere but then Bill probably
doesn’t drive far so it’s not an issue for him. He’s rich but I never put him
on the same smart scale as Elon and Steve.
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> On Feb 26, 2020, at 1:43 AM, evln via EV wrote:
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> https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/18/21142642/bill-gates-elon-musk-electric-vehicles-taycan-tesla-tweets
> Bill Gates bought a Porsche, and then Elon Musk talked trash about him
> Feb 18, 2020 Elizabeth Lopatto
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> https://youtu.be/FV2tMP37ygs
> Talking Tech and 2020 with Bill Gates!
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> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1229568241552502784
>Tesletter @tesletter · Feb 17, 2020
>Replying to @tesletter @elonmusk
>I'm disappointed because a lot of people are going to watch the
> interview and they are going to trust Bill's word for it and not even
> consider EVs. Why? Because Bill Gates is a really smart guy!
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>Elon Musk @elonmusk
>My conversations with Gates have been underwhelming tbh
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> Apparently, the Porsche Taycan prompted Musk’s ire
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> Bill Gates bought an electric car. But while he’s given Tesla credit for
> pushing other carmakers to go electric, it does seem notable that he didn’t
> buy from the company that pushed the innovation. He bought a Porsche Taycan.
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> Someone alerted Elon Musk to this development, of course. And that got us a
> bitchy tweet from Musk: “My conversations with Gates have been underwhelming
> tbh.” It’s true that Musk likes beef; after all, he’s made cracks about
> Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg and Amazon’s Jeff Bezos. (Actually, it seems like
> Musk and Bezos have a lively rivalry going.)
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> But the Gates fight strikes me as different — precisely because Musk’s
> dismissal of him is so broad. Both Musk and Gates are admirers of Nick
> Bostrom, the Swedish philosopher who has warned in his 2014 book
> Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies that machine intelligence
> could surpass human intelligence. Both men have appeared on The Big Bang
> Theory. Perhaps significantly, though, Musk is frequently compared not to
> Gates, but to Apple’s late CEO, Steve Jobs.
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> The Taycan is also something of a sore spot for Musk, even though it has a
> smaller range than Tesla’s comparable vehicles. But the Taycan Turbo set the
> “four door electric sports car” lap record at Germany’s Nürburgring. (Though
> Musk has suggested on Twitter that the use of “Turbo” by Porsche is a
> misnomer.) And, apparently in response, Musk announced Tesla would run a
> Model S around the track. In November, Musk also picked a fight with Top
> Gear, a TV show that depicted a Taycan beating a Model S in a race.
> [© theverge.com]
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> https://www.fudzilla.com/news/automotive/50319-gates-say-electric-cars-face-major-obstacle
> Gates says electric cars face major obstacle
> 18 February 2020 ... says that many car manufacturers are moving
> "super-fast" to do electric cars. "I just got a Porsche Taycan, which is an
> electric car – and I have to say, well it's a premium price car, but it's
> very, very cool. That's my first electric car, and I'm enjoying it a lot."
> ... (tycan turbo s EV)
> https://www.fudzilla.com/media/k2/items/cache/b339300e7445ca66a22ec7a5c1022163_L.jpg
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> https://newslanded.com/2020/02/20/bill-gates-mkbhd/
> Bill Gates shared his Porsche Taycan experience
> 2020/02/20 Bill Gates also shared his experience with electric cars and
> pointed some of the flaws present in EVs today. The Microsoft co-founder
> Bill Gates has recently ...
> https://newslanded.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/bill-gates-explains-the-main-problem-with-electric-cars-after-buying-one.jpg
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> + ($20 rc Cybertruck)
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/21/21147004/hot-wheels-tesla-cybertruck-rc-car-remote-controlled-toy
> Hot Wheels announces a remote-controlled Tesla Cybertruck
> ... on Mattel's website as a “hobby grade-radio-controlled vehicle that is
> ... available to preorder now and will come in two sizes: ... 1:64 scale RC
> Cybertruck ... $20 and ... bigger 1:10 scale ... $400. Both ... ship in
> December 2020 ... limited editions ... only be available until they’re sold
> out ...
> https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66349278/10___GXG31_W_20_Cybertruck_Large_059.5.jpg
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