On May 10, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Danpatgal via EV email@example.com wrote:
Low mile 2012 iMiev's are listed anywhere from $7.5 to $10k.
I planted the bug after I drove them back from the airport last night. We'll
see what, if anything it develops into...but I'm pretty sure it's now on their
Huh? Why the pessimism?
EVWest sells complete VW conversion kits, including a 22 kWh battery pack, for
$19K. That leaves 4K for the sled -- more than enough.
On May 17, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Alan Arrison via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Good luck with that...
On 5/17/2015 3:00 AM, brucedp5
On May 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
My guess: I think the demand for roadside charging will be fairly high as
(another guess) 30%-50% of the residences will not have access to domestic
charging - because they are in a multistory dwelling with few (or no)
On May 14, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Lee Hart via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'd guess that one nightmare scenario for the utilities is for everyone in
the ritzy neighborhood to arrive home with their Teslas, and plug them all
into their superchargers at the same time!
Indeed, that may well be a
On May 14, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Ben Goren via EV email@example.com wrote:
Thinking this through a bit more...I'm not sure that it would make sense for a
rapid-charging station to operate without a substantial dump pack of its own.
Without one, you're left needing a grid connection
On May 14, 2015, at 6:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
On 13 May 2015 at 10:58, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
15 kWh / 15 minutes is 60 kilowatts...not quite the level of
insanity of a megawatt, but still in a range far beyond what you'd ever see
On May 13, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jamie K via EV email@example.com wrote:
Ben, on the subject of L1 chargers being good enough for nearly everybody and
L2 being overkill, I would ask based on what data?
Sorry...I had in mind overnight home charging, with the assumption that the 20
kWh you get
On May 13, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Jamie K via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
But real range needs are based on maximums.
I'd agree with that. And I hope I'm not coming across as suggesting that
in-home L1 charging is the only way that an EV would ever be charged.
My point is that most people don't
On May 13, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Jamie K via EV email@example.com wrote:
I'm coming from a perspective of practical experience with an electric car as
our main vehicle.
The big factor you left out is daily driving mileage. If you're putting 80
miles a day on the car, yes, L1 is probably
On May 13, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Jamie K via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It's the outliers that you have to accommodate.
Yes, but not necessarily with rapid charging.
When 200-mile ranges become the norm, as is promised soon -- say, a 40 kWh
(usable) battery in a (conservative) 200 Wh / mile car
On May 13, 2015, at 12:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
Later in the weekend, the team turned up the wick and the car sprinted
through the quarter mile in 12.56 seconds at 101.43 mph.
Quite respectable in and of itself, and most impressive in a car that started
life as the
On May 13, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
So I think the engineers need to put their thinking caps on, reduce the
weight of every vehicle, make the CD of all new vehicles .16 or so and stop
making these energy hogs.
That's definitely where a good deal of
On May 13, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
I thought that torque was calculated/measured at the wheels
It can be measured anywhere, but is typically specified at the output shaft of
the motor (whether electric or ICE) unless otherwise noted, for the simple
Interesting potential source of future EV energy:
I'm a bit skeptical, though...by its very nature, anything put on the road is
going to have to be a lot more durable and therefore expensive than what you'd
put on a rooftop.
On May 12, 2015, at 12:33 PM, ken via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
How are they for $ vs. power density.
Middle of the road, and a lot more than a LEAF battery from Hybrid Auto Center.
They're also rather below average in terms of $ / max discharge rate, and on
the heavy side.
Very interesting...there's a 2012 w/ 15k miles listed not far from here for
just under $9k; Leafs look like they tend to be at least half again as much.
Something like that belongs on a short list.
On May 10, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Danpatgal via EV email@example.com wrote:
On May 8, 2015, at 4:11 PM, len moskowitz via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
StoreDot promises electric car that charges in 5 minutes
There's some industrial-grade technobabble in that article. Be wonderful if
there's some substance to the claims, of course, but I'm not holding my breath.
On May 7, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Whether we argue that it makes sense financially, people are jumping in the
That is fantastic news for _everybody!_ If even the Gigafactory can't keep up,
that tells you something huge about demand...and means
On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all.
And there's another factor. Our market is capitalistic, yes, but far from an
actual free market. This is a good thing; monopolies are an inevitable
On May 6, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
I don't follow your reasoning. There are reasons not to like a lease but the
fixed income aspect is not usually one of them. In fact, often it's the
opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are
On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing
It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd
suggest would be politically unrealistic given how
$124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but it's great
around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month.
On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might
not be...somebody pulled
So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not
be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be
avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected
possible frame damage.
So...if the insurance company winds
On May 5, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Cruisin via EV email@example.com wrote:
Why not buy a Volt 16.5kwh battery and add your own inverter for a backup.
That's what my customers are doing.
Where does one actually buy a Volt battery? I've looked a couple times without
much success. I suspect it might
intersections, up to speed from a dead stop, and up hills in a way no HPV
only bike can do. On 25mph residential streets you will almost never hold up
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Ben Goren via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5
On May 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote:
They won't be pro-rating the warranty?
There's no mention of any proration on their Web site. It'd be a pretty bad PR
move to omit a detail like that on the publicity page only to slip it in on the
fine print, so I
On May 4, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
I mean 8 Amps at around 400V is not an EV power level, it is actually rather
underwhelming - I wonder why Tesla with a profile of high-power application
is releasing such a low power spec.
A nominal 5.8A @ 400V is
On May 4, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Again, the most optimal case would be that you can shift the full 10kWh each
would yield $2.60 per day or $950 per year.
In 10 years that would give you $9,500 which is about the money you invested
On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
The Human Assisted Electric Vehicle could reach speeds of up to 40 mph and
has a range of about 50 miles. The entire vehicle cost about $4,000 to
Velomobiles are wonderful, as are electric-assist velomobiles. I'm
On May 1, 2015, at 6:24 PM, jim via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Regarding possible life of a lead acid battery system, we are on our 3rd lead
acid battery for our wind and solar home power system.
Might you be willing to spare a few more details? Specifically...things like
how the array is
On May 1, 2015, at 9:34 AM, via EV email@example.com wrote:
While Lithium batteries make a lot of sense for vehicles where energy density
to weight is a big deal, I'm not sure of the advantage for stationary
installations. Cost for Lithium is still a big issue. An ~40kWh pack of
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV email@example.com wrote:
The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought
and paid for is the property of the state.
On Apr 28, 2015, at 1:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
This is not quite the same as the Leaf battery model cited, I guess, but
it's a similar principle: make it more difficult for the independent
mechanic or private owner to service the battery.
It also is making
On Apr 26, 2015, at 6:06 PM, George McNeir via EV email@example.com wrote:
In effect, those with knowledge of the Navitas NPS600 motor controller,
eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline
fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules, internal grid power distribution
On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly
poor judgment by police officers.
Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit
goes on all the time, and it's
I don't remember if trains fall within the limits of discussion set forth by
the charter or not...but, either way, this is *way* cool news about an electric
I have no idea how practical or economical it might be for Japan or the
Let's hope Tesla's engineers are better at securing their over-the-air updates
than their PR department is at securing their social media accounts
On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:18 PM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
Not specific to EVs, except insofar as they're coming of age at the same time
as the automakers are trying to follow in the computer industry's footsteps.
Homebrew conversions are going to have a great
On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Russ Sciville via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Who would wish to drive around with a hydrogen tank in the back pressurised
to 10,000 psi?
There's lots of insanity associated with FCVs, but fuel safety isn't part of
it. Hydrogen is much safer than gasoline in that
On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
[T]his industry has put it into law that you can get
credits for providing a zero-emission long range vehicle
I think it would make the contrast between BEVs and FCVs much starker if the
On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It seems like the hydrogen conversion is still likely to create CO2. How
does the hydrogen cycle reduce air pollution from using methane?
I'm sure the FCV has negligible _tailpipe_ emissions compared with
On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:10 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
On 24 Apr 2015 at 1:08, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to
support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where
their tax payments are
On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon
Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and
process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add “steam and heat”.
On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Jay Summet via EV email@example.com wrote:
I don't think any of the above are deal breakers, especially if the car can
automatically roll down it's windows while charging under full sun.
Yes, you're right. Those aren't the deal breaker.
The deal breaker is that
I do believe this is what a tipping point looks like:
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On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably
overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all
manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize
No doubt the Tesla is an impressive car, but your first two points aren't all
On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Mike Nickerson via EV email@example.com wrote:
- Driving in the dark, the headlights are very impressive. Go around a
corner and the car lights up around the
On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing
capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s
Range questions aside, an electric vehicle with ~700 HP / ft-lbs
On Apr 8, 2015, at 6:36 AM, tomw via EV email@example.com wrote:
Nothing in his lab's list of peer-reviewed publications on this topic:
My friend was able to get me a copy of the Nature article.
The short version...is that I won't be replicating their
On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The Michelin radial 95/80 r16 radial is the tire used by solar racing teams.
Anyone know where to get them?
I'd first directly contact one of the teams that you know used said tire and
ask them where they got
Does anybody know any more about this research?
Aluminum anode; graphite cathode. Unspecified salt for the electrolyte.
It's only about two volts. The rest of the specs are vague...nothing at all
about capacity. They
Indeed...I just checked the abstract and it cites 70 mAh/g. It's an unfair
comparison because of all the extra hardware from the box and what-not, but a
CALB 180 Ah battery weighs 5.6 kg, which works out to 32 mAh/g. That they're in
the same order of magnitude tells me this may well be
On Apr 7, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
the electrolyte is not specified other than the phrase intercalation of
chloroaluminate anions in the graphite
I see that in the abstract...is that what you're referring to, or do you have
the full article?
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Your needs may differ but, for me, unequivocally the charge time is more
I'm not discounting the importance of charge time. It's just my understanding
that the batteries today aren't the limiting factor in
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
Time will tell if we soon will have a 1-minute rechargeable battery
...and a 1-minute *dischargeable* battery. That's probably an even bigger deal
than the charge time.
Right now, charging times seem to be
I've no clue. I'm assuming they're making it using some sort of chemical
reaction, presumably one not entirely unlike those ones chemistry teachers love
to demonstrate with the carbon snakes boiling out of the beakers when they mix
two colorless liquids.
...I think I'm going to see if the
I really don't think I like the idea of where they're headed:
One thing I think we can all agree upon here: if the hunch mode
On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV
The day Im forced to get into a self driving car is when I take my shot gun
and blow it away . the very thought if a SDC makes me vomit
Even a robotic taxi? For example, in a city you've flown to?
On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
Maybe these same people would accept some sort of artificial intelligence
program which would analyse their facebook postingsand social media and
automatically vote for them in elections.
I'm not sure if you're
On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Chris Tromley via EV email@example.com wrote:
And there is no AI system sufficiently advanced to make the right
decision in every case.
Your objections are a classic example of making the perfect the enemy of the
In order to improve traffic safety,
On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Chris Tromley via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I more or less agree with what you're saying - as long as there is still
To be clear: I am most emphatically _*NOT*_ suggesting that all vehicles, or
even all new vehicles be roboticized.
On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:10 AM, tomw via EV email@example.com wrote:
Don't know if this is the actual case, but I think it would
be easy for the management at Tesla to develop group think, forgetting that
most U.S. citizens don't live in silicon valley and work in high tech, and
Food for thought:
I tend to think he's right.
I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving
rigs will thereby become the
On Apr 5, 2015, at 3:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Renters have a hard time finding electric charging stations in their
In a way, these sorts of growing pains are a good sign. It means that EV
adoption is penetrating to the point that it's not just a few
the title of first megawatt all-electric race
car went to the Maniac Mazda over a decade ago...
On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV email@example.com wrote:
Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable.
Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable.
The pp03 refers to Pike's Peak #3, and they ran it last year and the year
On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Michael Ross via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
So called small wind energy is a money pit with no
real payback - you need an exceptional location for a small turbine to be
worth the effort.
Wind and hydro are just diluted forms of solar. On a planetary scale, they
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Thus, if the power companies were to continue to charge the same rate for
electricity from pumped storage, they are making a better ROI than from
building out new traditional power plants.
Your analysis passes the
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Ben, if you can install enough batteries, as I believe you have, to go
completely off the grid, then of course there's no advantage to the power
I don't have batteries yet and no plans to install them until
On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Jan Steinman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Micro-hydro remains the most economical, trouble-free way for anyone with a
stream and 100+ feet of head to obtain electric power. Granted, only a small
minority meet those specifications, but I would submit that most
On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Cor van de Water via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It is simple: measure the surface area of the car and multiply by the
expected PV efficiency,
then you know why a Solar Racer needs full sun overhead most of the day *and*
be an extreme car
to achieve any speed
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or very short
drives) and can be parked in full sun
(like on a parking deck top floor, no trees or other buildings) so you can
gain charge over
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack isn't
large enough to make a round trip but, with solar panels charging during the
day, you top off enough to get home.
...and then, when it's
On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
I am sure that he won't start until things are clearer for him and he is
our input for just that - advice in which direction to go.
Well...in that case, my advice would be an awful lot of budgeting --
On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
But overall, the amount of power you can get from the sun in a normal-sized
is very limited. That pretty much forces you to concentrate on vehicle
efficiency. Extremely light, with exceptionally good aerodynamics and very
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
I am able to reduce my foot print and I chose to do that using
an EV and buying green electricity...
That's why, when I put a bunch of panels on my roof some years back, I
intentionally oversized it so I could power
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:49 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
I say more power (sorry ;-) to Lawrence and wish him the best. I
wish I lived nearby, so I could watch and cheer him on.
There's a big part of me that wants to wish him the best with the project...but
On Mar 27, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Roland via EV email@example.com wrote:
The maximum battery running temperature was 68 degrees F
Just to be clear...you're reporting the weather, right? You're telling us that,
during the time you used the car that you're telling us about, the battery
On Mar 27, 2015, at 3:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Zero-emission monster truck can stomp with the best of the them
I've never gotten the monster truck thing...but is is good for EVs in general.
Anything that get somebody afflicted with testosterone poisoning to end an
On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jamie K via EV email@example.com wrote:
That works for me, and it pretty much sums up what LEAF V1.5 (2013-2015)
displays right now.
Good to know that it's a feature of one of the first-tier electric vehicles on
the market. Gives one hope that it'll be a standard
On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Jamie K via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It's interesting to note how gas gauges are set up, psychologically. Here's
Somehow...I'm not surprised.
The newest car I own is a
On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Michael Ross via EV email@example.com wrote:
The car or some big computer can't read you mind, so if it is going to make
an informed, accurate estimate - you are going to have to tell it what your
destination is. You want accuracy, you have to tell it what is
On Mar 25, 2015, at 12:47 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
So maybe my analogy above is wrong. EVs vs ICEVs is more like satellite or
digital radio vs traditional FM broadcast: they're better, all right, but
they solve a problem that most users / buyers just don't
On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:00 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
comes to estimating remaining range, the problem gets even more difficult.
I think that's where the real problems come in -- and they're the exact same
problems for any other vehicle.
Are the miles
On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'd like to run two mid sized motors. One on each rear wheel.
That's a very ambitious design. You need a controller that can coordinate the
power for each wheel to ensure the exact same amount of power on
On Mar 24, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV email@example.com wrote:
So which is better? 90% efficient
for EVs versus 20% efficient for ICE.
...and that assumes that EVs are forever stuck with getting their electricity
from coal-fired plants. I'd bet a suitable beverage that coal
On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
There's another point worth noting.
If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the
On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV email@example.com wrote:
A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the
research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way
to recycle those peanuts.
On Mar 21, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Roland via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Maybe other delivery companies may change there thinking.
For fixed-route fleet vehicles, so long as range and other capabilities are
adequate, you'd have to be nuts to go with anything other than electric. The
On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
On 21 Mar 2015 at 9:04, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
So, really, the only question is whether the EV meets the necessary
specifications of range, load capacity, and that sort of thing. If it does,
it's game over
On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
So, not many [miles], but more in a day than they would be able to if
this was an electric car.
I also got the distinct impression that he thinks that idling an electric
vehicle eats into available range.
On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
(*) My ICE minivan purportedly gets 25mph. But in the city, with stop and
go, it's about 12mpg.
My 1968 VW Westfalia does a lot better than 12 MPG even in the city
I'm certain this will be of at least equal, if not more, interest here.
I still say the major automakers are missing out on a gold mine by not yet
releasing relatively inexpensive electric-powered sports cars for the
testosterone-poisoned crowd. Perhaps this will help nudge them in that
On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Jorg Brown via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Fundamentally the problem is economics: in a car you have a $100 tank
that you're filling up with $50 of fuel. But in an EV, you have a $40,000
pack that you're filling up with $5 of fuel.
That's...that's an excellent
On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV email@example.com wrote:
However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh
many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway.
Yes and no.
The owners of the forklifts and the batteries swap the
On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
And the other error in my thinking is that MFR's simply are not going to
make a NO-FRILLS 40 mile EV this early in the game
Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true no-frills EV
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV email@example.com wrote:
My answer: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short
and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding
$10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I
On Mar 9, 2015, at 8:09 PM, David Nelson via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
If our vehicle owners customize our vehicles...
I thought when a vehicle was purchased and the owner held the title
that the vehicle was no longer the manufacturers.
For ages, you haven't been able to buy software; you
for a 200 mile battery is like commuting 10 miles a day
dropping off the kids in a hummer.
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On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote:
Sure, different strokes for different folks, but EV enthusiasts are shooting
us in the foot when they claim that EV's are no viable until they have 200
That's not at all what I and others are doing.
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