Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 10, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Danpatgal via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Low mile 2012 iMiev's are listed anywhere from $7.5 to $10k. I planted the bug after I drove them back from the airport last night. We'll see what, if anything it develops into...but I'm pretty sure it's now on their short

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV 4the masses

2015-05-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Huh? Why the pessimism? EVWest sells complete VW conversion kits, including a 22 kWh battery pack, for $19K. That leaves 4K for the sled -- more than enough. b On May 17, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Good luck with that... On 5/17/2015 3:00 AM, brucedp5

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 14, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My guess: I think the demand for roadside charging will be fairly high as (another guess) 30%-50% of the residences will not have access to domestic charging - because they are in a multistory dwelling with few (or no)

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 14, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'd guess that one nightmare scenario for the utilities is for everyone in the ritzy neighborhood to arrive home with their Teslas, and plug them all into their superchargers at the same time! Indeed, that may well be a

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 14, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: dump pack Thinking this through a bit more...I'm not sure that it would make sense for a rapid-charging station to operate without a substantial dump pack of its own. Without one, you're left needing a grid connection

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 14, 2015, at 6:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 13 May 2015 at 10:58, Ben Goren via EV wrote: 15 kWh / 15 minutes is 60 kilowatts...not quite the level of insanity of a megawatt, but still in a range far beyond what you'd ever see in a residential

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, on the subject of L1 chargers being good enough for nearly everybody and L2 being overkill, I would ask based on what data? Sorry...I had in mind overnight home charging, with the assumption that the 20 kWh you get

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But real range needs are based on maximums. I'd agree with that. And I hope I'm not coming across as suggesting that in-home L1 charging is the only way that an EV would ever be charged. My point is that most people don't

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm coming from a perspective of practical experience with an electric car as our main vehicle. The big factor you left out is daily driving mileage. If you're putting 80 miles a day on the car, yes, L1 is probably

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It's the outliers that you have to accommodate. Yes, but not necessarily with rapid charging. When 200-mile ranges become the norm, as is promised soon -- say, a 40 kWh (usable) battery in a (conservative) 200 Wh / mile car

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 12:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Later in the weekend, the team turned up the wick and the car sprinted through the quarter mile in 12.56 seconds at 101.43 mph. Quite respectable in and of itself, and most impressive in a car that started life as the

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So I think the engineers need to put their thinking caps on, reduce the weight of every vehicle, make the CD of all new vehicles .16 or so and stop making these energy hogs. That's definitely where a good deal of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 13, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I thought that torque was calculated/measured at the wheels It can be measured anywhere, but is typically specified at the output shaft of the motor (whether electric or ICE) unless otherwise noted, for the simple

[EVDL] SolaRoad cycle path electricity yield exceeds expectations

2015-05-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Interesting potential source of future EV energy: http://phys.org/news/2015-05-solaroad-path-electricity-yield.html I'm a bit skeptical, though...by its very nature, anything put on the road is going to have to be a lot more durable and therefore expensive than what you'd put on a rooftop.

Re: [EVDL] pouch cells

2015-05-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 12, 2015, at 12:33 PM, ken via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: How are they for $ vs. power density. Middle of the road, and a lot more than a LEAF battery from Hybrid Auto Center. They're also rather below average in terms of $ / max discharge rate, and on the heavy side. b

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Very interesting...there's a 2012 w/ 15k miles listed not far from here for just under $9k; Leafs look like they tend to be at least half again as much. Something like that belongs on a short list. Thanks! b On May 10, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Danpatgal via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Our iMiev

Re: [EVDL] StoreDot promises electric car that charges in 5 minutes

2015-05-08 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 8, 2015, at 4:11 PM, len moskowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: StoreDot promises electric car that charges in 5 minutes There's some industrial-grade technobabble in that article. Be wonderful if there's some substance to the claims, of course, but I'm not holding my breath. The

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's powerwall is already sold out through mid 2016

2015-05-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 7, 2015, at 1:08 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Whether we argue that it makes sense financially, people are jumping in the frey. That is fantastic news for _everybody!_ If even the Gigafactory can't keep up, that tells you something huge about demand...and means

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all. And there's another factor. Our market is capitalistic, yes, but far from an actual free market. This is a good thing; monopolies are an inevitable

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I don't follow your reasoning. There are reasons not to like a lease but the fixed income aspect is not usually one of them. In fact, often it's the opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing field? It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd suggest would be politically unrealistic given how

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
for $124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but it's great around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month. --Rick On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not be...somebody pulled

[EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected possible frame damage. So...if the insurance company winds

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant (battery backup thinking)

2015-05-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 5, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Cruisin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Why not buy a Volt 16.5kwh battery and add your own inverter for a backup. That's what my customers are doing. Where does one actually buy a Volt battery? I've looked a couple times without much success. I suspect it might

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Enclosed human-electric hybrid spins around the UCF campus

2015-05-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
across intersections, up to speed from a dead stop, and up hills in a way no HPV only bike can do. On 25mph residential streets you will almost never hold up car traffic. On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote: They won't be pro-rating the warranty? There's no mention of any proration on their Web site. It'd be a pretty bad PR move to omit a detail like that on the publicity page only to slip it in on the fine print, so I

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I mean 8 Amps at around 400V is not an EV power level, it is actually rather underwhelming - I wonder why Tesla with a profile of high-power application is releasing such a low power spec. A nominal 5.8A @ 400V is

Re: [EVDL] virtual power plant

2015-05-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 4, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Again, the most optimal case would be that you can shift the full 10kWh each day, which would yield $2.60 per day or $950 per year. In 10 years that would give you $9,500 which is about the money you invested in a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Enclosed human-electric hybrid spins around the UCF campus

2015-05-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 3, 2015, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The Human Assisted Electric Vehicle could reach speeds of up to 40 mph and has a range of about 50 miles. The entire vehicle cost about $4,000 to produce. Velomobiles are wonderful, as are electric-assist velomobiles. I'm

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 1, 2015, at 6:24 PM, jim via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Regarding possible life of a lead acid battery system, we are on our 3rd lead acid battery for our wind and solar home power system. Might you be willing to spare a few more details? Specifically...things like how the array is

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 1, 2015, at 9:34 AM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: While Lithium batteries make a lot of sense for vehicles where energy density to weight is a big deal, I'm not sure of the advantage for stationary installations. Cost for Lithium is still a big issue. An ~40kWh pack of deep

Re: [EVDL] its your car, not theirs

2015-04-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Apr 28, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Tom Martin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The state in turn sent you a 'Certificate' of title. The auto you bought and paid for is the property of the state. Huh? The

Re: [EVDL] its your car, not theirs

2015-04-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 28, 2015, at 1:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is not quite the same as the Leaf battery model cited, I guess, but it's a similar principle: make it more difficult for the independent mechanic or private owner to service the battery. It also is making

Re: [EVDL] EV Boat

2015-04-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 26, 2015, at 6:06 PM, George McNeir via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In effect, those with knowledge of the Navitas NPS600 motor controller, eCycle electric motors, super cap/battery amalgamations, advanced alkaline fuel cells, thin/flexible PV modules, internal grid power distribution

Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +

2015-04-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly poor judgment by police officers. Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit goes on all the time, and it's

[EVDL] Japan showcases really, really fast … whoa, WTF was that?! • The Register

2015-04-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I don't remember if trains fall within the limits of discussion set forth by the charter or not...but, either way, this is *way* cool news about an electric vehicle: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/22/japan_train/ I have no idea how practical or economical it might be for Japan or the

Re: [EVDL] Tesla Twitter-Acct hacked *Bogus Free-Tesla offer

2015-04-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Let's hope Tesla's engineers are better at securing their over-the-air updates than their PR department is at securing their social media accounts b On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:18 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://mashable.com/2015/04/25/hackers-tesla-twitter-account/

[EVDL] Can Automakers Legally Stop You From Working On Your Car?

2015-04-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Not specific to EVs, except insofar as they're coming of age at the same time as the automakers are trying to follow in the computer industry's footsteps. http://www.hotrod.com/news/1504-can-automakers-legally-stop-you-from-working-on-your-car/ Homebrew conversions are going to have a great

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:03 AM, Russ Sciville via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Who would wish to drive around with a hydrogen tank in the back pressurised to 10,000 psi? There's lots of insanity associated with FCVs, but fuel safety isn't part of it. Hydrogen is much safer than gasoline in that

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: [T]his industry has put it into law that you can get credits for providing a zero-emission long range vehicle[] I think it would make the contrast between BEVs and FCVs much starker if the requirement wasn't

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It seems like the hydrogen conversion is still likely to create CO2. How does the hydrogen cycle reduce air pollution from using methane? Exactly. I'm sure the FCV has negligible _tailpipe_ emissions compared with

Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:10 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 24 Apr 2015 at 1:08, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Eventually people will wise up to the taxes, aka subsidies, needed to support a fuel cell auto industry when they start wondering where their tax payments are

Re: [EVDL] Toyota FCV runs on Musk's bull$$it

2015-04-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You should also watch Toyota’s new video which says the car can run on Elon Musk’s “bull$$it ”comments and show how they can take cow manure, and process it to hydrogen.. all they have to do is add “steam and heat”.

Re: [EVDL] Cmax solar concept.

2015-04-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 21, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I don't think any of the above are deal breakers, especially if the car can automatically roll down it's windows while charging under full sun. Yes, you're right. Those aren't the deal breaker. The deal breaker is that

[EVDL] ~43% Of World's Electric Cars Bought In 2014 | CleanTechnica

2015-04-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I do believe this is what a tipping point looks like: http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/19/43-of-worlds-electric-cars-bought-in-2014/ b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)

2015-04-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is likely the Tesla cars can pull it just fine, but will probably overheat towing, especially on hills. Towing packages for trucks have all manner of extra cooling gear, for transmission, oil coolers, oversize

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Tesla-S 85kWh evfleetworld Road Test

2015-04-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
No doubt the Tesla is an impressive car, but your first two points aren't all that impressive... On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: - Driving in the dark, the headlights are very impressive. Go around a corner and the car lights up around the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-X Spied w/ a Tow Hitch AWD r:225mi (v)

2015-04-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 14, 2015, at 5:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In any case, don’t get your hopes up too high on a truly versatile towing capacity because electric power isn’t similar to a traditional engine’s twist. Huh? Range questions aside, an electric vehicle with ~700 HP / ft-lbs

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-08 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 8, 2015, at 6:36 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Nothing in his lab's list of peer-reviewed publications on this topic: http://dailab.stanford.edu/pubs.htm My friend was able to get me a copy of the Nature article. The short version...is that I won't be replicating their

Re: [EVDL] Michelin radial 95/80 r16 radial

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The Michelin radial 95/80 r16 radial is the tire used by solar racing teams. Anyone know where to get them? I'd first directly contact one of the teams that you know used said tire and ask them where they got

[EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford offers safe alternative to conventional batteries

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Does anybody know any more about this research? http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/march/aluminum-ion-battery-033115.html Aluminum anode; graphite cathode. Unspecified salt for the electrolyte. It's only about two volts. The rest of the specs are vague...nothing at all about capacity. They

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Indeed...I just checked the abstract and it cites 70 mAh/g. It's an unfair comparison because of all the extra hardware from the box and what-not, but a CALB 180 Ah battery weighs 5.6 kg, which works out to 32 mAh/g. That they're in the same order of magnitude tells me this may well be

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 7, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: the electrolyte is not specified other than the phrase intercalation of chloroaluminate anions in the graphite I see that in the abstract...is that what you're referring to, or do you have the full article? I've

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Your needs may differ but, for me, unequivocally the charge time is more important. I'm not discounting the importance of charge time. It's just my understanding that the batteries today aren't the limiting factor in

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Time will tell if we soon will have a 1-minute rechargeable battery ...and a 1-minute *dischargeable* battery. That's probably an even bigger deal than the charge time. Right now, charging times seem to be

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum battery from Stanford

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I've no clue. I'm assuming they're making it using some sort of chemical reaction, presumably one not entirely unlike those ones chemistry teachers love to demonstrate with the carbon snakes boiling out of the beakers when they mix two colorless liquids. ...I think I'm going to see if the

[EVDL] Bosch uses UX approach to spark enthusiasm for electric driving - Putting people first

2015-04-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I really don't think I like the idea of where they're headed: http://www.experientia.com/blog/bosch-uses-ux-approach-to-help-spark-enthusiasm-for-electric-driving/ One thing I think we can all agree upon here: if the hunch mode

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The day Im forced to get into a self driving car is when I take my shot gun and blow it away . the very thought if a SDC makes me vomit Even a robotic taxi? For example, in a city you've flown to? b

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:07 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Maybe these same people would accept some sort of artificial intelligence program which would analyse their facebook postingsand social media and automatically vote for them in elections. I'm not sure if you're

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: And there is no AI system sufficiently advanced to make the right decision in every case. Your objections are a classic example of making the perfect the enemy of the good. In order to improve traffic safety,

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: ​I more or less agree with what you're ​saying - as long as there is still a choice. To be clear: I am most emphatically _*NOT*_ suggesting that all vehicles, or even all new vehicles be roboticized. I'm just

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes

2015-04-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:10 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Don't know if this is the actual case, but I think it would be easy for the management at Tesla to develop group think, forgetting that most U.S. citizens don't live in silicon valley and work in high tech, and overestimating

[EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes

2015-04-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Food for thought: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyanwyl/2015/04/02/evidence-of-forces-behind-the-tesla-factor-at-this-weeks-new-york-auto-show/?ss=tech I tend to think he's right. I also think that the first long-haul trucking company to adopt self-driving rigs will thereby become the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Renters hit roadblocks to get EVSE installed, help from eVgo

2015-04-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Apr 5, 2015, at 3:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Renters have a hard time finding electric charging stations in their apartment buildings. In a way, these sorts of growing pains are a good sign. It means that EV adoption is penetrating to the point that it's not just a few

Re: [EVDL] article: World’s first 1 megawatt all-electric race car to compete at Pikes Peak

2015-04-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
the title of first megawatt all-electric race car went to the Maniac Mazda over a decade ago... -Ben On Apr 1, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable. http://driveeo.com/blog/racing/eo-pp03-one-megawatt

Re: [EVDL] article: World’s first 1 megawatt all-electric race car to compete at Pikes Peak

2015-04-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Seems reasonably legit. Nothing about it seems unreasonable. http://driveeo.com/blog/racing/eo-pp03-one-megawatt-electric-race-car/ The pp03 refers to Pike's Peak #3, and they ran it last year and the year before: http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp02/ http://driveeo.com/pikes-peak/pp01/ b On

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So called small wind energy is a money pit with no real payback - you need an exceptional location for a small turbine to be worth the effort. Wind and hydro are just diluted forms of solar. On a planetary scale, they

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Thus, if the power companies were to continue to charge the same rate for electricity from pumped storage, they are making a better ROI than from building out new traditional power plants. Your analysis passes the

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, if you can install enough batteries, as I believe you have, to go completely off the grid, then of course there's no advantage to the power company. I don't have batteries yet and no plans to install them until

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Micro-hydro remains the most economical, trouble-free way for anyone with a stream and 100+ feet of head to obtain electric power. Granted, only a small minority meet those specifications, but I would submit that most

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is simple: measure the surface area of the car and multiply by the expected PV efficiency, then you know why a Solar Racer needs full sun overhead most of the day *and* be an extreme car to achieve any speed

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or very short drives) and can be parked in full sun (like on a parking deck top floor, no trees or other buildings) so you can gain charge over

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack isn't large enough to make a round trip but, with solar panels charging during the day, you top off enough to get home. ...and then, when it's

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I am sure that he won't start until things are clearer for him and he is getting our input for just that - advice in which direction to go. Well...in that case, my advice would be an awful lot of budgeting --

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But overall, the amount of power you can get from the sun in a normal-sized is very limited. That pretty much forces you to concentrate on vehicle efficiency. Extremely light, with exceptionally good aerodynamics and very

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I am able to reduce my foot print and I chose to do that using an EV and buying green electricity... That's why, when I put a bunch of panels on my roof some years back, I intentionally oversized it so I could power

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:49 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I say more power (sorry ;-) to Lawrence and wish him the best. I wish I lived nearby, so I could watch and cheer him on. There's a big part of me that wants to wish him the best with the project...but there's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 27, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The maximum battery running temperature was 68 degrees F Just to be clear...you're reporting the weather, right? You're telling us that, during the time you used the car that you're telling us about, the battery never heated

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Electric Bigfoot #20 @2015 VIAS.ca

2015-03-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 27, 2015, at 3:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Zero-emission monster truck can stomp with the best of the them I've never gotten the monster truck thing...but is is good for EVs in general. Anything that get somebody afflicted with testosterone poisoning to end an

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: That works for me, and it pretty much sums up what LEAF V1.5 (2013-2015) displays right now. Good to know that it's a feature of one of the first-tier electric vehicles on the market. Gives one hope that it'll be a standard

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It's interesting to note how gas gauges are set up, psychologically. Here's one explanation: http://theappslab.com/2010/12/21/how-does-your-gas-gauge-really-work/ Somehow...I'm not surprised. The newest car I own is a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The car or some big computer can't read you mind, so if it is going to make an informed, accurate estimate - you are going to have to tell it what your destination is. You want accuracy, you have to tell it what is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 25, 2015, at 12:47 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So maybe my analogy above is wrong. EVs vs ICEVs is more like satellite or digital radio vs traditional FM broadcast: they're better, all right, but they solve a problem that most users / buyers just don't

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 25, 2015, at 2:00 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When it comes to estimating remaining range, the problem gets even more difficult. I think that's where the real problems come in -- and they're the exact same problems for any other vehicle. Are the miles

Re: [EVDL] How to build a very efficient EV for road use with solar panels.

2015-03-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 24, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'd like to run two mid sized motors. One on each rear wheel. That's a very ambitious design. You need a controller that can coordinate the power for each wheel to ensure the exact same amount of power on

Re: [EVDL] Article: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces

2015-03-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 24, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So which is better? 90% efficient for EVs versus 20% efficient for ICE. ...and that assumes that EVs are forever stuck with getting their electricity from coal-fired plants. I'd bet a suitable beverage that coal

Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

2015-03-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html There's another point worth noting. If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the

Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries

2015-03-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way to recycle those peanuts.

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks beElectric?

2015-03-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 21, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Maybe other delivery companies may change there thinking. For fixed-route fleet vehicles, so long as range and other capabilities are adequate, you'd have to be nuts to go with anything other than electric. The savings in

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks beElectric?

2015-03-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 21 Mar 2015 at 9:04, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, really, the only question is whether the EV meets the necessary specifications of range, load capacity, and that sort of thing. If it does, it's game over

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?

2015-03-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So, not many [miles], but more in a day than they would be able to if this was an electric car. I also got the distinct impression that he thinks that idling an electric vehicle eats into available range. His

Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric?

2015-03-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 19, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: (*) My ICE minivan purportedly gets 25mph. But in the city, with stop and go, it's about 12mpg. My 1968 VW Westfalia does a lot better than 12 MPG even in the city b ___

[EVDL] Fwd: [NEDRA] 100-plus-racers-just-bought-fiat-500e-electric-cars

2015-03-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I'm certain this will be of at least equal, if not more, interest here. I still say the major automakers are missing out on a gold mine by not yet releasing relatively inexpensive electric-powered sports cars for the testosterone-poisoned crowd. Perhaps this will help nudge them in that

Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die...

2015-03-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Jorg Brown via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Fundamentally the problem is economics: in a car you have a $100 tank that you're filling up with $50 of fuel. But in an EV, you have a $40,000 pack that you're filling up with $5 of fuel. That's...that's an excellent

Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die...

2015-03-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, fork lift batteries cost many thousands of dollars. And they weigh many times more than an EV pack. And yet they *do* routinely swap them anyway. Yes and no. The owners of the forklifts and the batteries swap the

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: And the other error in my thinking is that MFR's simply are not going to make a NO-FRILLS 40 mile EV this early in the game Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true no-frills EV from major

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My answer: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding $10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-SX Owners HacksMods Could Cause Injury, Hurt Brand

2015-03-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 9, 2015, at 8:09 PM, David Nelson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If our vehicle owners customize our vehicles... I thought when a vehicle was purchased and the owner held the title that the vehicle was no longer the manufacturers. For ages, you haven't been able to buy software; you

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
for a 200 mile battery is like commuting 10 miles a day and dropping off the kids in a hummer. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 11:59 AM To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote: Sure, different strokes for different folks, but EV enthusiasts are shooting us in the foot when they claim that EV's are no viable until they have 200 mile batteries! That's not at all what I and others are doing. If you

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