On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:19 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
[T]he kind of developments being researched by BASF could very well pave the
way to cars that could travel more than 1,000 miles on a battery pack the
same size as the ones in today’s mid-priced electric cars.
If there isn't, there soon will be.
(And, yes, there's Barstow and Baker...and, curiously enough, that I wasn't
aware of before glancing at the map just now, the Ivanpah Solar Electric
Generating System is just on the California side of the border north of the 15.)
On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:47
On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:08 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
They offer something that dramatically and powerfully compensates for the
I think that recent viral video of the Tesla trouncing the Dodge in a drag
race, especially accompanied by the other
On Feb 12, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV email@example.com wrote:
It is clear that it is possible to build a practical solar vehicle.
Not only that, it's downright common. I'd venture to suggest that the majority
of EVs on the road today are probably solar powered. At the very
On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Am preparing a talk for this weekend about the unbelievable economics of
solar power where I always stress the economics all comes from the absence
of any BATTERY storage expense and the 95% efficiency of grid-tie and
On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:27 PM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
While some people may resist self-driving, autonomous vehicles, at some
point there could seriously be a paradigm shift when an owner could let a
company take control of their EV when they are not using it.
On Jan 24, 2015, at 1:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Blood pressure normal: under 120/80, heart rate normal: ~60
Great news! Here's hoping this particular charge lasts many hundreds of
thousands of miles
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A non-text attachment was
The engine growl in some of America’s best-selling cars and trucks is actually
a finely tuned bit of lip-syncing, boosted through special pipes or digitally
Orchestrated engine noise has become a necessity for electric cars, which run
so quietly that they can provide a
On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
The current infrastructure will be outdated within 10 years. Maybe sooner.
It's a very safe bet that the overwhelming majority of EVs now and forever will
be slow-charged at home or work or in parking lots or at the
On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
What percentage of households can charge at home?
Today? Your guess of a bit over half might even be on the optimistic side,
considering all the apartment dwellers.
But it's going to be very soon, I think, when anybody
On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Rick Beebe via EV email@example.com wrote:
Oak Ridge National Labs designed and built an AC Cobra EV in just six weeks
using 3D printing. Pretty amazing and an awesome looking vehicle.
I want one!
On Jan 18, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
My own approach to solar would be to have it grid-intertie only
That has been the ideal option for quite some time, but the utilities are
starting to push hard to get dirty liberal bleeding-heart hippie solar people
On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV email@example.com wrote:
Most people only have so much roof available for solar energy. And
it is not enough for our total energy needs.
On the contrary. To within back-of-the-envelope precision, the residential
rooftop surface area in the
On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
If the amount of energy as hot water that you pull out of the garage is
larger than the
energy going into the garage as electric power, then the garage is cooled by
the heat pump WH.
Seems like the proper answer
On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote:
Compare the 60% efficiency of the PV/Heatpump water heater to the 50% losses
half the year of the 70% thermal panels and higher cost and the PV panels
with heatpump water heating win hands down.
I hadn't heard of heat
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV email@example.com wrote:
Solar Thermal makes no sense anymore.
Not for living space, but it makes plenty of sense for hot water.
On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:21 AM, tomw via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
His book, Solar Hot
Water Heating, describes (among other systems) using solar hot water
collectors to heat a 2 ft thick layer of sand which is insulated inside the
house foundation with a concrete slab floor on top of it,
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:29 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com wrote:
I'm no expert, but I suppose it might come to pass if PV efficiency jumps
and cost tumbles,
PV efficiency is already plenty. The insolation on the average single-family
home's roof at today's efficiency is
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I heard Elon Musk claim that you could provide all the current global power
use with 100 square miles of PV. A friend and I roughed that out and he is
not far off (there are a lot of assumptions you can make to vary it
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Not everyone has [...]
Of course not.
Just as EVs aren't suitable for everybody, either.
But exceptions, even if numerous, don't invalidate the usage for huge swaths of
Obviously, if you live in a
On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV email@example.com wrote:
But NOT for the typical modern non-FOSSIL FUEL BURNING all electric homes
with AC and Electric Heat pumps... IE, if a home continues to burn fossil
fuel for heat, Oil, and Propane, then we have not fully switched to
The more I think about it, the more I think that the grid's days are numbered.
No, not that it'll go away entirely -- at least, not for a lifetime or more.
But, rather, that, in ten to twenty years, people will be as comfortable not
having a grid connection as they are today not having a
On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Oh, my zero-usage electric bill is an $8 fixed rate meter fee per
month, or $100 a year.
Good for you. And all your calculations make perfect sense with that baseline.
Today, I generate ~150% net of usage (to
On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Michael Ross via EV email@example.com wrote:
Presently, the grid is a better deal than
Presently is the key word.
Utilities presently typically charge basic connection fees under $20 / month.
But utilities scared of solar are moving towards charging
On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Michael Ross via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the
grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't
make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or
On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Actually, there is way less motivation for the utility to penalize the
homeowner in a case like this.
The big picture for the utilities is that people with solar buy substantially
less electricity, which in turn means
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
But, if the SRP proposal goes through, it'll either be
a fixed $50 or $67 per month..
That is preposterous and only shows how the greed of well funded oil money
campaigns can convince people against their better
On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Jan Steinman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Flooded cell NiFe have a fairly high internal resistance and, as you note, a
large voltage swing. But they are the champs when it comes to longevity.
Does that voltage swing require special inverters, etc., to use them
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Giving them terrible efficiency. That's almost 50%. Given that an
electron-in to charge at 70 volts comes out at 36 volts is a 50% loss of
power and hence efficiency. Such batteries are great for standby back
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV email@example.com wrote:
Remember, we are talking about ENERGY, not the cost of the battery.
No, we're discussing the financial sense of the system as an whole.
Give anybody a choice between two systems, each of which keeps the lights on
On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Jan Steinman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Ideally, you'd follow a NiFe battery with a boost/buck MPP regulator that is
designed to charge batteries from a solar panel, which also has big voltage
swings. Such a think will deliver a constant 13.8 volts with an
Lots of discussion and good points since I last checked in yesterday. Thanks,
everybody! I'll try to hit all the high points in this single note.
On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote:
It is important to know what your present and future power needs are.
On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Of course, if the CO2 is ultimately added to oil, then doesn't the CO2
eventually return to the atmosphere during refining or usage?
Unless the CO2 is pumped back into the ground to stay, it's going to wind up in
On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
For example, using CO2 from power plant emissions in fracking doesn't help
unless fracking has to use CO2 and the only other way would be to produce CO2
specifically for fracking.
That's why I didn't use fracking as
So, I have my roof covered with solar panels. And Salt River Project, my
utility, is threatening to at least triple monthly basic connection fees for
I've decided that's not an option for me. Before I pay such Danegeld, I'll get
a bunch of batteries and drop off the grid
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
How do you see reusing the CO2 improving the picture?
Because, first, the CO2 is going to get used once whether we want it to or not;
and, second, if we can use that CO2 a second time, we idon't/i have to
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
PH: you're assuming that there isn't some other gas that could be used -
perhaps compressed air or compressed nitrogen or whatever.
Nitrogen is its own element; there's no carbon in nitrogen. And there's less
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, John Lussmyer via EV email@example.com wrote:
Actually, bad assumption. Many/Most PV Inverters don't like being fed from
batteries. Throws off their attempts to find the Max Power Point.
I didn't know that. Would it matter that the batteries would mostly be
On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Is something not clear, here?
I fear we're typing past each other, so this will be my last post on this
thread that's not all that much on topic. The last word is yours, if you want
My point, again, is that EVs,
On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:30 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
It's more efficient and cheaper to take the energy you were going to use to
reduce the CO2 and use it to drive the vehicles directly, rather than making
synthetic fuel with that energy.
...but only in those
On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:52 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Last weekend the sixth annual Trophée Andros Electrique electric ice racing
series kicked off with back-to-back races dominated by Adrien Tambay,
reports Electric Autosport. Though powered by small 67 kw/90 horsepower
On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV email@example.com wrote:
Seriously though, what does this have to do with electrics specifically.
Doesn't it apply to all mopeds, motorcycles and bikes?
I've heard of more than one person with long hair getting scalped (or
On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5
to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD).
The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and
according to Vyas it
On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com wrote:
I see significant advantages to battery leasing, but I wouldn't buy a
Renault with a leased battery, solely because they threaten to disable the
battery if you don't keep up the lease payments.
On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Any apartment dweller that thinks an EV that they have to take to a
“CHARGING STATION” every single day for an hour a day is delusional.
Any apartment dweller with a 30 mile daily need that buys a car with a 200
On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:13 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
Years ago Solectria found that by leveling the load on a lead battery,
reducing its peak current requirements, supercaps / ultracaps could improve
an EV's range. Unfortunately, though, it was a little more
(Phys.org) —Today when an electric vehicle is plugged into the grid, it's
almost always in charge mode, meaning it consumes power. But it's also
possible for an electric vehicle to operate in discharge mode,
On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
However, it is probably better to start equipping the streets with
charging points along the curb - for example on every street light...
When electric vehicles start to comprise a signifiant percentage of the
On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ben Goren via EV email@example.com wrote:
I predict 
Thinking on this a bit more...we're also likely to see some interesting social
dynamics emerge. Imagine a bunch of people, all EV owners, visit a fellow EV
owner. Access to the charger(s) would quickly
On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote:
Ironically, every parking meter I've ever seen already charges *way* more per
hour than the cost of the electricity you could get from an AC outlet on that
Oh, it's worse than that. Much worse.
At $5 / hour...that's
On Nov 23, 2014, at 9:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
As part of a side project, Theobald teamed up with coworkers to convert the
VW bus from a gas-guzzler to an electric vehicle. Wanting to take it a step
further, however, and completely eradicate his carbon footprint, moving
On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
The GVW BelAZ 75710 uses four Siemens electric traction motors. Each of them
has an output of 1,200 kilowatts (~1,800 hp).
That is...an hell of a lot. Indeed, it's just about what the Zombie 222 is
capable of: 3600 amps at
On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
So, how about if the charter restricts it to vehicles powered by electric
motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or other
In other words, itemize what fuel sources the list
On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV email@example.com wrote:
Actually, all the public hydrogen refueling stations are in three states;
California, Connecticut, and South Carolina. There are 13 in the US total.
On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid
cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes
I think we've already had this conversation. The brute force solution is to
have a similar
On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV email@example.com wrote:
If his colleague would either have asked anyone at that 1-day seminar to
borrow the car for a few hours or he would have called a cab, he would
have been with his wife as quickly as when his EV would have been fully
On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, tomw via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
A person's viewpoint on this and many other things depends on how risk averse
s/he is, and we all tend to think our level of risk aversion is just about
right and any that is quite different is unreasonable.
Range anxiety, I
On Nov 19, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV email@example.com wrote:
Range anxiety doesn't so much come from the range of the vehicle but the
ability to charge.
That's a good point. You can argue all day about the relative merits of at-home
and on-the-go charging, but the fact remains
On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Rick Beebe via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Personally I think plug-in hybrids like the Volt and my C-Max are probably
the ideal vehicle to introduce people to EVs.
I agree enough that that's the route I'm planning on taking for my own
conversion: add a couple
On Nov 19, 2014, at 12:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
So, that's one more advantage for home charging : improved privacy.
Privacy improved even over gasoline...use your credit card at the gas station,
and at least your bank knows where you are. Charge at home and,
On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:22 PM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Recently (over the last couple of weeks), the automakers that are pushing
fcvs, spending money to provide copy to the media outlets so as to get their
word out (anti-EV, HEY! Look at our fcvs, etc.).
I've seen a couple of
On Nov 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
Range anxiety is often cited as one of the major reasons battery electric
vehicles have yet to take off in the mass market. But does it actually exist
That friend of mine whom I mentioned a week or three ago
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:47 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The electric utility for the norther part of the state, Northern Indiana
Public Service Company, offers that zero rate between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. to
registered electric-car owners who install a separate meter just for EV
On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV email@example.com wrote:
Or, you can build my Battery Balancer (or something like it -- the plans are
open source and on the web). It does what any battery tester has to do:
Select a battery or module, charge it under known conditions, discharge
On Nov 15, 2014, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
One of the biggest draws is an electric Harley.
Harley-Davidson deserves a great deal of kudos for the way they're approaching
this. They're certainly doing a good job with the hype...I just wish they
weren't drawing it
On Nov 15, 2014, at 11:46 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
As for muscle cars, they appeal to a totally different kind of buyer from
those who buy high-end European performance cars. The latter may indeed be
swayed to EVs by rational performance arguments. The former
On Nov 12, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Lee Hart via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Tesla isn't profitable (yet).
Not to go all citation needed, on you, but do you have any details on that?
It's my understanding that they're bringing in more money than they're
spending, but that they still have startup
On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:57 AM, tomw via EV email@example.com wrote:
A gps based system could report
only total miles traveled to protect those concerned with others knowing
where they drive.
Could it? Sure, in theory. Would it? In this day and age? Who're you trying to
*You* may be fine
On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Chris Tromley via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
With all due respect to the Swiss researchers, I believe Plasma Boy was
faster than that a few years ago in his White Zombie - a door-slammer
Datsun 1200 conversion.
Not just Plasma Boy, but several others, as well.
On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Rush Dougherty r...@ironandwood.org wrote:
Put simply, the government has no business knowing how
much I drive where and when.
So I guess you take the battery out of your cellphone when you're driving...
Getting a bit far afield, are we? The topic of discussion
On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote:
That's a no brainer. Get a Volt!
First thing I suggested to him.
It's out of his price range...he's looking for under $20K if possible -- thus,
he's holding out (for now) for another year or so until a certain 2013 model
On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:39 PM, EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net wrote:
But no matter how cheaply I could get it, this is just not the right time for
me to start another project.
Much the same situation for me, else I'd have bid on it and *not* posted about
But, if I find a winning
On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Alan Brinkman via EV email@example.com wrote:
How about a used Volt? Or a used Leaf and a low cost beater ICE as a backup?
Or a used Smart electric car with a used ICE beater?
All suggestions I made.
He's nervous about the quality of used batteries, even though I
On Nov 1, 2014, at 3:54 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
This is my observation about countering anti-EV rhetoric. If you find
things are different where you are, I'd like to hear about it!
I don't seem to run into a lot of anti-EV rhetoric outside of the types of
Sorry to hear. I've got some replies from him squirreled away that I'll be
referring to once the conversion gets under way
On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com wrote:
Posting for Andrew Miles, son of our longtime friend Dennis Miles:
It is with a
On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The overall design should result in an EV that's actually less expensive
than a comparable gas car
This is promising, of course...but it also must be pointed out that many of
their claimed and very impressive innovations are
On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
He converted this 1974 Saab Sonett III to run on
electric power all the way back when it was new. It's now for sale on eBay [
Looks like a sweet ride. It also looks like it's not yet been
On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
You basically get regen sort-of free with AC induction motor controllers
and with some sepex controllers. However, with a series motor, regen is
almost never included in the controller by default. In fact
On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
The report said there was a fault with the
While that _could_ be the case, as often as not it's the driver panicking,
mashing his foot as hard as he can to stop the car...only he's mashing the
On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:11 AM, David Chapman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I should have added that I am looking at running a clutchless single speed
gearbox around 3:1 final drive. Dach.
In that case, you're going to need an oversized motor to be able to handle
either the torque demands
On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:32 PM, David Chapman via EV email@example.com wrote:
I was wondering if anyone on the list had found a motor that is a good fit HP
and voltage wise (120v or so) for a bug? Would like to build something
VWs in general and Bugs (and Ghias) in particular
On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The auction is already live at:
They're not doing a good enough job at getting the word out about the auction;
only ten beds as I type and the highest bid is $2k shy of MSRP. Especially
On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:22 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
British Firm Turns Nissan e-NV200 Electric Van Into Cosy, Family-Friendly
I wish them the best of luck, of course, but this strikes me as a classic case
where the vehicle's 80-ish-mile range is an overwhelming
On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
First Tesla Battery Swap Station Online Soon
I gotta give Tesla props for the fantastic engineering feat they've pulled off
with this one, but I just don't see it being practical.
First, it only makes sense if it's a
On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:49 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV email@example.com
As long as EVs are ...a poor purchasing decision ... the
only way we'll get significant numbers of ordinary folks to buy them is to
give them (the people, I mean) cash or other monetary incentives.
This is true
On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV firstname.lastname@example.org
As for cellphones the real limiter on how fast you can recharge tends to be
the connector, cables and power supply.
Cars, too. 10 kWh / minute is 600 kilowatts, a most impressive power transfer
rate. That's going
On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:35 AM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
After that EVangelizing, my throat was sore, but I was quite pleased I could
Wonderful news! Welcome back, and congratulations! We're quite lucky to live in
a time with true miracle workers such as your
On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Roland via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
These are the batteries from the Hybrid Auto Center that I am going to use.
You can get them preassemble or unassembled in metal case modules that
contains four cells each connected two in series and then two in parallel
On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Roland via EV email@example.com wrote:
If you just type in your search engine - hybridautocenter.com - you will get
to the main page.
And, unless I'm mistraken, these would be the four-cell (2S2P) battery modules:
On Oct 7, 2014, at 3:04 AM, brucedp5 via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Kurt Neutgens worked 17 years at Ford Motor Co., including time as
engineering manager for Ford’s F-150 pickup truck, but his dream was to
someday develop an electric vehicle.
So when Ford offered buyouts in 2006, he
On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:39 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV email@example.com wrote:
I wondered then, why has not some one written generic code to control the
factory installed cpus.
The embedded systems in cars are varied and lacking in uniformity, and they're
difficult to access and there's not
On Oct 5, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
[T]hey could not support TLS on their computers and would not upgrade the
computer until there was a strong need. The computer would be dealing with
billing for the power used to charge the vehicle!!!
For my own selfish reasons, I hope your recovery is much faster than
On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:05 PM, brucedp5 via EV email@example.com wrote:
I had queued this message for 10/8 my last day, but it might be better to
post it now even though we all expect the best for the
On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Collin Kidder via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, you
wouldn't have to activate it were it not for the fact that they turned it
off in the first place.
Nice car you've got there that we've
On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Haritech (Gmail) via EV email@example.com wrote:
Trouble is you didn't own the car when it was disabled.
Then the sale was fraudulent, whether intentionally so or otherwise. The buyer
thought he was buying a salvageable car, not a pile of scrap metal.
On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yes, but again, it depends on what the buyer signed. For example, with
software, the licensing agreements usually state that you do not own the
software but only have the right to use it which can be terminated under
On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV email@example.com wrote:
But, the whole point of transferring a title is to officially change
ownership. It it mighty hard to get any kind of damages from an original
owner unless one can show that there was fraud or misrepresentation.
On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Collin Kidder via EV firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It is very common. People buy cars with a salvage title and fix them.
Exactly -- the car basically becomes a kit and / or homemade car...very much
like the overwhelming majority of EVs owned by the people reading these
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On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:34 AM, David Kerzel via EV email@example.com wrote:
When You connect to the grid then the power company has say in anything that
can energies the power lines and they may require only listed devices.
...and, let's not forget: linemen have one of the roughest jobs, and
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