Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 6, 2015, at 2:19 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: [T]he kind of developments being researched by BASF could very well pave the way to cars that could travel more than 1,000 miles on a battery pack the same size as the ones in today’s mid-priced electric cars. I'm sure

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Uber CEO sez will replace all of its drivers with Auton-EVs

2015-02-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
If there isn't, there soon will be. (And, yes, there's Barstow and Baker...and, curiously enough, that I wasn't aware of before glancing at the map just now, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System is just on the California side of the border north of the 15.) b On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:47

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: PGE wants CA ratepayers to pay bill for $653M public

2015-02-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Feb 12, 2015, at 8:08 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: They offer something that dramatically and powerfully compensates for the utility handicap I think that recent viral video of the Tesla trouncing the Dodge in a drag race, especially accompanied by the other

Re: [EVDL] What is needed to build a successful practical solar vehicle.

2015-02-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Feb 12, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is clear that it is possible to build a practical solar vehicle. Not only that, it's downright common. I'd venture to suggest that the majority of EVs on the road today are probably solar powered. At the very

Re: [EVDL] EV/Hybrid-to-home emergency power

2015-02-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Feb 6, 2015, at 9:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Am preparing a talk for this weekend about the unbelievable economics of solar power where I always stress the economics all comes from the absence of any BATTERY storage expense and the 95% efficiency of grid-tie and

Re: [EVDL] Watt-If Auton-EV earnsU Uber/Lyft$ after dropping you off

2015-02-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Feb 4, 2015, at 12:27 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: While some people may resist self-driving, autonomous vehicles, at some point there could seriously be a paradigm shift when an owner could let a company take control of their EV when they are not using it. Robots are

Re: [EVDL] a production-plugin Porsche ...

2015-01-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 24, 2015, at 1:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Blood pressure normal: under 120/80, heart rate normal: ~60 Great news! Here's hoping this particular charge lasts many hundreds of thousands of miles b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was

[EVDL] America’s best-selling cars and trucks are built on lies: The rise of fake engine noise - The Washington Post

2015-01-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
The engine growl in some of America’s best-selling cars and trucks is actually a finely tuned bit of lip-syncing, boosted through special pipes or digitally faked altogether [...] Orchestrated engine noise has become a necessity for electric cars, which run so quietly that they can provide a

Re: [EVDL] 100 new level 3 chargers for busy corridors

2015-01-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 23, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The current infrastructure will be outdated within 10 years. Maybe sooner. It's a very safe bet that the overwhelming majority of EVs now and forever will be slow-charged at home or work or in parking lots or at the

Re: [EVDL] 100 new level 3 chargers for busy corridors

2015-01-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: What percentage of households can charge at home? Today? Your guess of a bit over half might even be on the optimistic side, considering all the apartment dwellers. But it's going to be very soon, I think, when anybody

Re: [EVDL] 3D printed electric AC Cobra

2015-01-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Rick Beebe via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Oak Ridge National Labs designed and built an AC Cobra EV in just six weeks using 3D printing. Pretty amazing and an awesome looking vehicle. I want one! b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: [EVDL] Cheap solar for EV charging

2015-01-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 18, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My own approach to solar would be to have it grid-intertie only That has been the ideal option for quite some time, but the utilities are starting to push hard to get dirty liberal bleeding-heart hippie solar people

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (solar-thermal-NOT)

2015-01-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Most people only have so much roof available for solar energy. And it is not enough for our total energy needs. On the contrary. To within back-of-the-envelope precision, the residential rooftop surface area in the

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (solar-thermal-NOT)

2015-01-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 16, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If the amount of energy as hot water that you pull out of the garage is larger than the energy going into the garage as electric power, then the garage is cooled by the heat pump WH. Seems like the proper answer

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (solar-thermal-NOT)

2015-01-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 12, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote: Compare the 60% efficiency of the PV/Heatpump water heater to the 50% losses half the year of the 70% thermal panels and higher cost and the PV panels with heatpump water heating win hands down. I hadn't heard of heat

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (solar-thermal-NOT)

2015-01-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 12, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Solar Thermal makes no sense anymore. Not for living space, but it makes plenty of sense for hot water. b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:21 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: His book, Solar Hot Water Heating, describes (among other systems) using solar hot water collectors to heat a 2 ft thick layer of sand which is insulated inside the house foundation with a concrete slab floor on top of it,

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution

2015-01-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:29 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm no expert, but I suppose it might come to pass if PV efficiency jumps and cost tumbles, PV efficiency is already plenty. The insolation on the average single-family home's roof at today's efficiency is

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution

2015-01-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: I heard Elon Musk claim that you could provide all the current global power use with 100 square miles of PV. A friend and I roughed that out and he is not far off (there are a lot of assumptions you can make to vary it

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution

2015-01-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Not everyone has [...] Of course not. Just as EVs aren't suitable for everybody, either. But exceptions, even if numerous, don't invalidate the usage for huge swaths of the population. Obviously, if you live in a

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - (now Home solar)

2015-01-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jan 9, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But NOT for the typical modern non-FOSSIL FUEL BURNING all electric homes with AC and Electric Heat pumps... IE, if a home continues to burn fossil fuel for heat, Oil, and Propane, then we have not fully switched to

Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution

2015-01-08 Thread Ben Goren via EV
The more I think about it, the more I think that the grid's days are numbered. No, not that it'll go away entirely -- at least, not for a lifetime or more. But, rather, that, in ten to twenty years, people will be as comfortable not having a grid connection as they are today not having a

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid (cost 10, 000 times more)

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Oh, my zero-usage electric bill is an $8 fixed rate meter fee per month, or $100 a year. Good for you. And all your calculations make perfect sense with that baseline. Today, I generate ~150% net of usage (to

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid (cost 10, 000 times more)

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Presently, the grid is a better deal than storage. Presently is the key word. Utilities presently typically charge basic connection fees under $20 / month. But utilities scared of solar are moving towards charging

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid (cost 10, 000 times more)

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:56 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid (cost 10, 000 times more)

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Actually, there is way less motivation for the utility to penalize the homeowner in a case like this. The big picture for the utilities is that people with solar buy substantially less electricity, which in turn means

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid (cost 10, 000 times more)

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, if the SRP proposal goes through, it'll either be a fixed $50 or $67 per month.. That is preposterous and only shows how the greed of well funded oil money campaigns can convince people against their better

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Flooded cell NiFe have a fairly high internal resistance and, as you note, a large voltage swing. But they are the champs when it comes to longevity. Does that voltage swing require special inverters, etc., to use them

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Giving them terrible efficiency. That's almost 50%. Given that an electron-in to charge at 70 volts comes out at 36 volts is a 50% loss of power and hence efficiency. Such batteries are great for standby back up

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Remember, we are talking about ENERGY, not the cost of the battery. No, we're discussing the financial sense of the system as an whole. Give anybody a choice between two systems, each of which keeps the lights on

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Jan Steinman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ideally, you'd follow a NiFe battery with a boost/buck MPP regulator that is designed to charge batteries from a solar panel, which also has big voltage swings. Such a think will deliver a constant 13.8 volts with an

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Lots of discussion and good points since I last checked in yesterday. Thanks, everybody! I'll try to hit all the high points in this single note. On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: It is important to know what your present and future power needs are.

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Of course, if the CO2 is ultimately added to oil, then doesn't the CO2 eventually return to the atmosphere during refining or usage? Unless the CO2 is pumped back into the ground to stay, it's going to wind up in the

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: For example, using CO2 from power plant emissions in fracking doesn't help unless fracking has to use CO2 and the only other way would be to produce CO2 specifically for fracking. That's why I didn't use fracking as

[EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, I have my roof covered with solar panels. And Salt River Project, my utility, is threatening to at least triple monthly basic connection fees for solar customers. I've decided that's not an option for me. Before I pay such Danegeld, I'll get a bunch of batteries and drop off the grid

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: How do you see reusing the CO2 improving the picture? Because, first, the CO2 is going to get used once whether we want it to or not; and, second, if we can use that CO2 a second time, we idon't/i have to extract an

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: PH: you're assuming that there isn't some other gas that could be used - perhaps compressed air or compressed nitrogen or whatever. Nitrogen is its own element; there's no carbon in nitrogen. And there's less than a

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:53 PM, John Lussmyer via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Actually, bad assumption. Many/Most PV Inverters don't like being fed from batteries. Throws off their attempts to find the Max Power Point. I didn't know that. Would it matter that the batteries would mostly be

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Is something not clear, here? I fear we're typing past each other, so this will be my last post on this thread that's not all that much on topic. The last word is yours, if you want it. My point, again, is that EVs,

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 21, 2014, at 3:30 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It's more efficient and cheaper to take the energy you were going to use to reduce the CO2 and use it to drive the vehicles directly, rather than making synthetic fuel with that energy. ...but only in those

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tambay victorious e-IceSnow-Racing.fr @valthorens.com (videos)

2014-12-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:52 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Last weekend the sixth annual Trophée Andros Electrique electric ice racing series kicked off with back-to-back races dominated by Adrien Tambay, reports Electric Autosport. Though powered by small 67 kw/90 horsepower

Re: [EVDL] Police.cn warn of dangers long scarves e-mopeds don't mix

2014-12-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 10, 2014, at 5:00 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: No capes! Seriously though, what does this have to do with electrics specifically. Doesn't it apply to all mopeds, motorcycles and bikes? I've heard of more than one person with long hair getting scalped (or

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph

2014-12-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5 to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD). [...] The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and according to Vyas it

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i for batteries included ZOE-iKangoo-i EVs w/ Buyable Pack

2014-12-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I see significant advantages to battery leasing, but I wouldn't buy a Renault with a leased battery, solely because they threaten to disable the battery if you don't keep up the lease payments. Amen. We've

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)

2014-11-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Any apartment dweller that thinks an EV that they have to take to a “CHARGING STATION” every single day for an hour a day is delusional. Any apartment dweller with a 30 mile daily need that buys a car with a 200

Re: [EVDL] Supercapacitors: A New Hero in the Spotlight

2014-11-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 25, 2014, at 1:13 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Years ago Solectria found that by leveling the load on a lead battery, reducing its peak current requirements, supercaps / ultracaps could improve an EV's range. Unfortunately, though, it was a little more

[EVDL] Electric vehicles could stabilize large disturbances in power grid

2014-11-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
http://phys.org/news/2014-11-electric-vehicles-stabilize-large-disturbances.html (Phys.org) —Today when an electric vehicle is plugged into the grid, it's almost always in charge mode, meaning it consumes power. But it's also possible for an electric vehicle to operate in discharge mode,

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, it is probably better to start equipping the streets with charging points along the curb - for example on every street light... When electric vehicles start to comprise a signifiant percentage of the

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I predict [] Thinking on this a bit more...we're also likely to see some interesting social dynamics emerge. Imagine a bunch of people, all EV owners, visit a fellow EV owner. Access to the charger(s) would quickly

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:10 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: Ironically, every parking meter I've ever seen already charges *way* more per hour than the cost of the electricity you could get from an AC outlet on that meter. Oh, it's worse than that. Much worse. At $5 / hour...that's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Theobald’s sun-powered customized 1966 VW e-Bus

2014-11-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 23, 2014, at 9:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As part of a side project, Theobald teamed up with coworkers to convert the VW bus from a gas-guzzler to an electric vehicle. Wanting to take it a step further, however, and completely eradicate his carbon footprint, moving

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Largest Truck In World Uses Four-1.2MW Electric-Motors

2014-11-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The GVW BelAZ 75710 uses four Siemens electric traction motors. Each of them has an output of 1,200 kilowatts (~1,800 hp). That is...an hell of a lot. Indeed, it's just about what the Zombie 222 is capable of: 3600 amps at

Re: [EVDL] Charter change?

2014-11-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 22, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So, how about if the charter restricts it to vehicles powered by electric motors and a fuel source *other than* conventional gasoline, diesel, or other fossil fuels? In other words, itemize what fuel sources the list

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, $till being manipulated

2014-11-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:52 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Actually, all the public hydrogen refueling stations are in three states; California, Connecticut, and South Carolina. There are 13 in the US total. http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html That's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV

2014-11-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The problem is not charging time. The problem is the electrical power grid cannot supply the energy to charge a car in 10 minutes I think we've already had this conversation. The brute force solution is to have a similar

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If his colleague would either have asked anyone at that 1-day seminar to borrow the car for a few hours or he would have called a cab, he would have been with his wife as quickly as when his EV would have been fully

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A person's viewpoint on this and many other things depends on how risk averse s/he is, and we all tend to think our level of risk aversion is just about right and any that is quite different is unreasonable. Range anxiety, I

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2014, at 8:32 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Range anxiety doesn't so much come from the range of the vehicle but the ability to charge. That's a good point. You can argue all day about the relative merits of at-home and on-the-go charging, but the fact remains

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Rick Beebe via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Personally I think plug-in hybrids like the Volt and my C-Max are probably the ideal vehicle to introduce people to EVs. I agree enough that that's the route I'm planning on taking for my own conversion: add a couple

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2014, at 12:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So, that's one more advantage for home charging : improved privacy. Privacy improved even over gasoline...use your credit card at the gas station, and at least your bank knows where you are. Charge at home and,

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, $till being manipulated

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:22 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Recently (over the last couple of weeks), the automakers that are pushing fcvs, spending money to provide copy to the media outlets so as to get their word out (anti-EV, HEY! Look at our fcvs, etc.). I've seen a couple of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 18, 2014, at 3:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Range anxiety is often cited as one of the major reasons battery electric vehicles have yet to take off in the mass market. But does it actually exist in practice? That friend of mine whom I mentioned a week or three ago

Re: [EVDL] Indy 125 $0pkWh rate 10p-6a + an e-meter installation subsidy

2014-11-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 17, 2014, at 9:47 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The electric utility for the norther part of the state, Northern Indiana Public Service Company, offers that zero rate between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. to registered electric-car owners who install a separate meter just for EV

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid battery reconditioning

2014-11-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Or, you can build my Battery Balancer (or something like it -- the plans are open source and on the web). It does what any battery tester has to do: Select a battery or module, charge it under known conditions, discharge

Re: [EVDL] EVent: Livewire EV @motorcycleshows.com/long-beach 11/1516 $ (video)

2014-11-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 15, 2014, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One of the biggest draws is an electric Harley. Harley-Davidson deserves a great deal of kudos for the way they're approaching this. They're certainly doing a good job with the hype...I just wish they weren't drawing it

Re: [EVDL] EVent: Livewire EV @motorcycleshows.com/long-beach 11/1516 $ (video)

2014-11-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 15, 2014, at 11:46 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As for muscle cars, they appeal to a totally different kind of buyer from those who buy high-end European performance cars. The latter may indeed be swayed to EVs by rational performance arguments. The former

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Mercedes Sez There's No Money In Selling EVs

2014-11-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 12, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Tesla isn't profitable (yet). Not to go all citation needed, on you, but do you have any details on that? It's my understanding that they're bringing in more money than they're spending, but that they still have startup

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 8, 2014, at 8:57 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A gps based system could report only total miles traveled to protect those concerned with others knowing where they drive. Could it? Sure, in theory. Would it? In this day and age? Who're you trying to kid? *You* may be fine

Re: [EVDL] EVrecord: 0-100kph:1.785s Grimsel.ch e-racer Out-Accelerate Formula1

2014-11-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:47 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: With all due respect to the Swiss researchers, I believe Plasma Boy was faster than that a few years ago in his White Zombie - a door-slammer Datsun 1200 conversion. Not just Plasma Boy, but several others, as well.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Rush Dougherty r...@ironandwood.org wrote: Put simply, the government has no business knowing how much I drive where and when. So I guess you take the battery out of your cellphone when you're driving... Getting a bit far afield, are we? The topic of discussion

Re: [EVDL] EV-spirits: Use a Halloween Costume for the EV-cause

2014-11-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 6, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu wrote: That's a no brainer. Get a Volt! First thing I suggested to him. It's out of his price range...he's looking for under $20K if possible -- thus, he's holding out (for now) for another year or so until a certain 2013 model

Re: [EVDL] EV4sale: Walter Kern’s 1974 Saab Sonett III EV...

2014-11-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 5, 2014, at 10:39 PM, EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net wrote: But no matter how cheaply I could get it, this is just not the right time for me to start another project. Much the same situation for me, else I'd have bid on it and *not* posted about it! But, if I find a winning

Re: [EVDL] EV-spirits: Use a Halloween Costume for the EV-cause

2014-11-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 6, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Alan Brinkman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: How about a used Volt? Or a used Leaf and a low cost beater ICE as a backup? Or a used Smart electric car with a used ICE beater? All suggestions I made. He's nervous about the quality of used batteries, even though I

Re: [EVDL] EV-spirits: Use a Halloween Costume for the EV-cause

2014-11-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 1, 2014, at 3:54 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is my observation about countering anti-EV rhetoric. If you find things are different where you are, I'd like to hear about it! I don't seem to run into a lot of anti-EV rhetoric outside of the types of

Re: [EVDL] Sad news about Dennis Miles

2014-11-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Sorry to hear. I've got some replies from him squirreled away that I'll be referring to once the conversion gets under way b On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:23 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Posting for Andrew Miles, son of our longtime friend Dennis Miles: It is with a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Featherlight-weight Visio.M EV r:100mi p:13.5kWh le$$-than-ice

2014-11-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 3, 2014, at 1:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The overall design should result in an EV that's actually less expensive than a comparable gas car This is promising, of course...but it also must be pointed out that many of their claimed and very impressive innovations are

Re: [EVDL] EV4sale: Walter Kern’s 1974 Saab Sonett III EV r:30/50mi ts:65+mph

2014-11-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: He converted this 1974 Saab Sonett III to run on electric power all the way back when it was new. It's now for sale on eBay [ http://www.ebay.com/itm/271654497901 Looks like a sweet ride. It also looks like it's not yet been

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You basically get regen sort-of free with AC induction motor controllers and with some sepex controllers. However, with a series motor, regen is almost never included in the controller by default. In fact

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Bad Tesla-S brakesploughed through windows, tables hit wall.cn

2014-10-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:11 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The report said there was a fault with the brakes. While that _could_ be the case, as often as not it's the driver panicking, mashing his foot as hard as he can to stop the car...only he's mashing the accelerator rather

Re: [EVDL] VW conversion addendum

2014-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:11 AM, David Chapman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I should have added that I am looking at running a clutchless single speed gearbox around 3:1 final drive. Dach. In that case, you're going to need an oversized motor to be able to handle either the torque demands

Re: [EVDL] VW conversion motor needed

2014-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 22, 2014, at 11:32 PM, David Chapman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I was wondering if anyone on the list had found a motor that is a good fit HP and voltage wise (120v or so) for a bug? Would like to build something freeway capable. VWs in general and Bugs (and Ghias) in particular

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW Is Auctioning-off their 1st E-Golf EV, ends 10/29

2014-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2014, at 2:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The auction is already live at: Charitybuzz.com/vwegolf. They're not doing a good enough job at getting the word out about the auction; only ten beds as I type and the highest bid is $2k shy of MSRP. Especially considering

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: e-NV200 e-Van Converted into a Camper / B-class e-RV

2014-10-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:22 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: British Firm Turns Nissan e-NV200 Electric Van Into Cosy, Family-Friendly Camper Van I wish them the best of luck, of course, but this strikes me as a classic case where the vehicle's 80-ish-mile range is an overwhelming

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 1st Tesla Battery Swap Site Will Go Live In December 2014

2014-10-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: First Tesla Battery Swap Station Online Soon I gotta give Tesla props for the fantastic engineering feat they've pulled off with this one, but I just don't see it being practical. First, it only makes sense if it's a

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:49 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As long as EVs are ...a poor purchasing decision ... the only way we'll get significant numbers of ordinary folks to buy them is to give them (the people, I mean) cash or other monetary incentives. This is true

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As for cellphones the real limiter on how fast you can recharge tends to be the connector, cables and power supply. Cars, too. 10 kWh / minute is 600 kilowatts, a most impressive power transfer rate. That's going

Re: [EVDL] OT: Alive, back-home after-surgery, and working on getting well ...

2014-10-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 10, 2014, at 1:35 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: After that EVangelizing, my throat was sore, but I was quite pleased I could still 'do-it'. Wonderful news! Welcome back, and congratulations! We're quite lucky to live in a time with true miracle workers such as your

Re: [EVDL] Need Lithium batteries.

2014-10-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: These are the batteries from the Hybrid Auto Center that I am going to use. You can get them preassemble or unassembled in metal case modules that contains four cells each connected two in series and then two in parallel

Re: [EVDL] Need Lithium batteries.

2014-10-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 10, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If you just type in your search engine - hybridautocenter.com - you will get to the main page. And, unless I'm mistraken, these would be the four-cell (2S2P) battery modules:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: orangeev.com e-truck maker revs up

2014-10-07 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 7, 2014, at 3:04 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Kurt Neutgens worked 17 years at Ford Motor Co., including time as engineering manager for Ford’s F-150 pickup truck, but his dream was to someday develop an electric vehicle. So when Ford offered buyouts in 2006, he

Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:39 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I wondered then, why has not some one written generic code to control the factory installed cpus. The embedded systems in cars are varied and lacking in uniformity, and they're difficult to access and there's not

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 5, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: [T]hey could not support TLS on their computers and would not upgrade the computer until there was a strong need. The computer would be dealing with billing for the power used to charge the vehicle!!! Then it

Re: [EVDL] afk ...

2014-10-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
For my own selfish reasons, I hope your recovery is much faster than anticipated! b On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:05 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I had queued this message for 10/8 my last day, but it might be better to post it now even though we all expect the best for the

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Collin Kidder via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, you wouldn't have to activate it were it not for the fact that they turned it off in the first place. Exactly. Nice car you've got there that we've

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Haritech (Gmail) via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Trouble is you didn't own the car when it was disabled. Then the sale was fraudulent, whether intentionally so or otherwise. The buyer thought he was buying a salvageable car, not a pile of scrap metal. But,

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, but again, it depends on what the buyer signed. For example, with software, the licensing agreements usually state that you do not own the software but only have the right to use it which can be terminated under

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, the whole point of transferring a title is to officially change ownership. It it mighty hard to get any kind of damages from an original owner unless one can show that there was fraud or misrepresentation. And, in

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Collin Kidder via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is very common. People buy cars with a salvage title and fix them. Exactly -- the car basically becomes a kit and / or homemade car...very much like the overwhelming majority of EVs owned by the people reading these

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repairdrive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Chinese inverters legality?

2014-10-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:34 AM, David Kerzel via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When You connect to the grid then the power company has say in anything that can energies the power lines and they may require only listed devices. ...and, let's not forget: linemen have one of the roughest jobs, and

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