Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

2015-12-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > The average American 20 mile/day is about > $40 worth of electricity. Wha…? Assume 3 miles per kWh. Rounding up, that’s 7 kWh for your daily mileage. Most places are within shouting distance of $0.10 / kWh for

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

2015-12-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > Though small, It’s a data point we need to include in > our quiver and come up with some numbers... I think focussing on the small fry might be distracting and counterproductive. If you really want to do that sort

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

2015-12-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station consume Nowhere near as much as you’re suggesting. As a general rule, Americans use about as much energy on personal transportation as for household electricity, with the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Mark Abramowitz wrote: > >> Stock price is irrelevant to the value of a company's used product. >> Frequently also irrelevant to the value of the underlying company. > > Agreed. Stock price was just an easy way to

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I'd say the problem is that "Mr. Market" won't buy a product with extremely > long life. You may well be right. At the same time, reliability is a popular selling feature, and, if somebody can make a durable battery

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Holy Crap, Used Leafs Are Incredibly Cheap

2015-11-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 24, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > And of course, you have to expect that the batteries will get worse over > time. All batteries do. True in practice for today's EVs, but _not_ true as an absolute rule. Iron Edison-style batteries have functionally

Re: [EVDL] A math formula can model li-ion pack aging, Pyrite pack

2015-11-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:48 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Maybe non-plug hybrid designers really don't care about battery capacity > (though that woiuld surprise me). However, for true EVs, we definitely care > about usable capacity. It'll be a function of total

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf electric vehicle pooled purchases save$

2015-11-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 18, 2015, at 4:39 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > This discount, co-developed by the counties, Nissan North America and > Boulder Nissan, brings the entry-level Leaf S down to $23,461 from $31,810 > before the federal ($7,500) and state (PDF) (~$5,000) tax credits for

Re: [EVDL] 2016 30kWh Leaf : Best year to buy ...

2015-11-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 13, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Cruisin via EV wrote: > Regardless where you buy a Leaf at, take note of the high pitch wine sound > from the motor. VERY aggravating to most people. Strange. I haven't noticed it at all. > Also, excessive road noise > due to lack of insulation.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-Jerry plugs in “The Spirit of AZ" Leaf EV across AZ

2015-11-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:54 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Prescott I'm not surprised. Prescott (rhymes with, "biscuit") has seen lots of transformations over the years...from the first territorial capital to a mining town and, today, a thriving arts and culture scene. If any

Re: [EVDL] 2016 30kWh Leaf : Best year to buy ...

2015-11-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, allan bullock wrote: > Check the reviews like consumer reports. It is down rated due to the motor > whine. It is loudest at around 55mph, very noticeable. That may be part of it. It's my parent's car, and I don't remember spending any significant

Re: [EVDL] 2016 30kWh Leaf : Best year to buy ...

2015-11-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 13, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Most > manufacturers spec a too low tire pressure so that you get a soft and > quiet ride, but pump the tires to the pressure that they have a long > life (you can easily have a difference of 2 times in tire life,

Re: [EVDL] Best year of Leaf to buy used.

2015-11-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 12, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Here I am finally possibly buying an OEM EV. Long way from my 1956VW with an > ADC and 12v marine batteries. Amazing turn of EVents, indeed -- and seemingly overnight. When I put the PV array on my roof a few

Re: [EVDL] Best year of Leaf to buy used.

2015-11-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 12, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > I have seen some very good prices on 2013 Leafs with chademo & 6.6 chargers. > I'm selling the veggie mobile and will need a car and since 12k is affordable > to me I'm thinking of replacing the mess and thrift

Re: [EVDL] Watt-Hr Motorcycle Efficiency...

2015-11-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Ing. Marco Antonio Gaxiola via EV wrote: > Considering the rule of EVs efficiency of 250Watt-hr per mile on a 2500 lbs > compact car, May it apply same in order to calculate the energy efficiency > of a prototype motorcycle? We had this

Re: [EVDL] Best year of Leaf to buy used.

2015-11-12 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote: > It would be cool if, when the time comes to replace the batteries (in another > 5+ years), Nissan would offer higher range choices for replacement packs. Nissan is almost going to have to...but, even if they don't,

Re: [EVDL] Big-Electric Shocks Big-Oil

2015-10-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > “We really need to have a big push for charging,” Tony > Earley, chief executive officer of PG, said in an Oct. 15 appearance at > San Francisco’s Commonwealth Club. “The charging station ought to be part of > our grid

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla

2015-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:18 AM, tomw via EV wrote: > Is it capable of the 50kW continuous > estimated for the full size pickup? For this sort of back-of-the-envelope guesstimating, you can use a 1:1 conversion for kW and HP. Getting 50 HP out of a 1800 cc aircooled VW motor is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla

2015-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote: > I have four of these: http://is.gd/j4BtyS on order for about $1300 each. Updates on how those work out for you would be appreciated. Oh paper, they're worth considering for my PHEV Mustang b& -- next part

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV Drivers Love 'Em, But Don't Buy 'Em, Why Leasing Rules Big

2015-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:29 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > It's essentially down to the "smartphone mentality," the report says: buyers > aren't interested in keeping their cars long term, because they expect > something better to supersede them fairly soon. I really, really hope

[EVDL] VW's 'dieselgate' puts spotlight on electric cars in Germany

2015-10-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Depressing to consider that, even in Germany with all its solar and wind power and now the VW diesel mess...even *that* isn't enough to launch EVs into the mainstream. http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html "The government's goal 'is quite simply not

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla

2015-10-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 22, 2015, at 9:35 AM, John Lussmyer wrote: > My truck cruises at around 30KW at 60mph. A 10KW generator isn't going to > extend the range much at all. Did I slip a decimal? 500 Wh / mile and 50 MPH (for easy numbers) is 2 miles per kWh is 25 kWh for an

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup TruckBefore Tesla

2015-10-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I do like the > utility of having a bed to carry stuff around for those times that > I need it, even though I have also managed to carry a 2-person > sofa bed in my Classic Prius or 2 50-gal drums. I can attest

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla

2015-10-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 22, 2015, at 12:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > In order for the individual to > see the value proposition, the truck would need a range of at least 200-250 > miles, a towing capacity of 4,000 lbs+, and cost under $60,000. We can do some math on that. Trucks,

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM Would Be Smart To Launch An e-Pickup Truck Before Tesla

2015-10-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:47 AM, John Lussmyer wrote: > My Electric F-250 gets around 650Wh/Mile. My range is about 70 miles. > No Towing. (that would REALLY suck power!) > Even with those restrictions, I find it very useful. I've had it at a bunch > of car shows, and

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > “We can’t build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I’d love to.” I _still_ say this would be a major tipping point. And I don't buy that Nissan, maker of the world's best-selling full-sized electric vehicle, can't

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote: > True. I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial > installations. My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets. Hmmm...I may well be confused. I just checked my panel. Most of the regular

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:03 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> "We can't build an electric GT-R today. But do I want to? I'd love to." > > I'll bet Elon Musk LOVES reading statements like that. I don't think he does. Tesla shareholders focused on quarterly earnings

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Watt-if Nissan aimed a GT-R production EV solely for performance

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Curt Coleman wrote: > Interested in a no battery solution? Huh? This some over-unity reference? b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 21, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Roland wrote: > A electrical worker say he has install a 30 amp circuit, may only mean that > the wire size is rated for 24 amps at 50 foot circuit run or 16 amps at a 70 > foot run for a 1 percent voltage drop. I don't remember the actual gauge wire

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls wrote: > I've never lived in an apartment, but I know people who often have to park > blocks from home because that's the closest parking. It might be a zoning thing here, but every apartment complex in the Phoenix area is pretty much

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage. ...and that's the case with houses built as far back as the Carter administration.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Bosch Targets 263 Wh/kg Li-ion packs

2015-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:26 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Bosch Targets 50 kWh Battery That Weighs Only 190 Kilograms, 15-Minute > Charge To 75% That means charging at 150 kW...call it 700 amps (with rounding) at 220 volts. Where's that kind of power going to come from? Dump

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on how you > measure, who don't have consistent access to dedicated off street charging. Almost all those people are apartment dwellers. And I think

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

2015-10-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > In broad strokes, if you're confident that you can charge your car at home > every night--or at work every day--then recharge rate may not be quite so > important. They're handwaving away the most important point. People

Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen will have a role. (just not in cars)...

2015-10-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 18, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Agree 100% that dumping excess solar/wind energy into H2 for storage is an > absolute good idea that will work. The gaseous form is one of the worst of the options for hydrogen storage. In a cruel twist of

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Roland wrote: > Install the hydrogen tank in a ICE vehicle using standard propane equipment > that I was already running the engine on. We're obviously veering sharply offtopic, now. Some years back I looked into doing pretty much that -- running H2

[EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Off-topic because EVs aren't what they're switching to. http://phys.org/news/2015-10-toyota-aims-gasoline-cars.html Between VW and now Toyota, the big automakers are signaling that we're now officially at the end of the ICE era and that the transition to a post-ICE world has begun. Toyota's

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2015, at 8:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Compared to EVs, they were noisy, stinky, and > unreliable. The fuel was hard to get, and dangerous to store. But there're a lot of big differences today. For one, the whole field of vehicles was brand-new --

[EVDL] VW responds to diesel scandal, says “the future is electric” | Ars Technica

2015-10-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
If this is to be believed...it could be absolutely huge! Anybody here have any further information and / or insight? http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/10/vw-responds-to-diesel-scandal-says-the-future-is-electric/ If it turns out the way I'm sure all us here would hope it would, those "rogue

Re: [EVDL] Three-wheel carbon fiber runabout with solar panels

2015-10-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
That was written a decade ago. Today, we've not only got the Volt and i3, exactly the sorts of PHEVs he describes, but a decent selection of pure electrics (like the Leaf) that are better than his beloved EV1. ...not to mention Teslas b& On Oct 15, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Made-in-India li-ion batteries for converting all ice to EVs

2015-10-13 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Something tells me this isn't to be taken at face value. It _reads_ as if they're going to retrofit all existing ICE vehicles with batteries and electric motors over the next two years. In all of India. I can't imagine India even switching all new manufacturing to electric in two years...the

Re: [EVDL] OEM EV charging on 120V with no ground?

2015-10-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV wrote: > If this is a permanent thing you might want to drive a ground rod next to > the pedestal. Even if not permanent, there're ways of creating grounds -- including driving a rod or looking for something conductive

Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

2015-10-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 4, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Limit it to just the time span of the EVDL. On the contrary; limit it only to that which people willing to volunteer their time are interested in contributing. Sure, encourage people to step up for stuff you yourself

Re: [EVDL] EV pioneers

2015-10-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 3, 2015, at 12:19 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Anyone have thoughts on this idea? You're absolutely right. _A_ wiki would be good for this sort of thing, but _the_ Wikipedia is not the proper wiki. Ironically enough, a well-established EVDL wiki could

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery Pack?

2015-09-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:20 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote: > A tribute to Tesla's market strategy is, the cost of batteries is relitively > high now. If you're going to put them in a car, make it an expensive one ie. > Tesla Model S or X. This is another very important point.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery Pack?

2015-09-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:12 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote: > The difference in per mile costs for an efficient EV vs a > heavy user is still not all that much. This is a _very_ significant part of the equation. My parents recently bought a Leaf. They love it, can't stop talking

Re: [EVDL] Grid-tie Solar for EV charging

2015-09-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 23, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > And any fool can see that > the utility is getting my solar at a time when they are PAYING more than > 12 cents per kWh average and that I am taking it back out when their > average cost is only 5 cents. Yes -- the

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

2015-09-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Lee Hart <leeah...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Ben Goren via EV wrote: > >> Not just current state of the art...it's never going to be practical >> for the four-door five-passenger freeway sedan that dominates the >> roadways; there just i

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

2015-09-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > That's 1% to 4%. Better than most banks. And FAR better for the future > since it displaces X amount of coal burning. If that's your goal, _far_ better to put the panels on your rooftop and backfeed into the grid

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

2015-09-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:46 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > The autonomous onboard-PV EV is a sweet dream. Who wouldn't love to drive > on pure sunshine and never have to fuel up or plug in? But at the current > state of the art, that's your heart talking, not your

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

2015-09-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Only if the Golf Cart and dump-pack are FULLY discharged every day. Hmmm...I don't think that's quite right, but the basic point you make is a good one. If the car has, say, a 300 mile range, and the fixed

Re: [EVDL] Tesla power.

2015-08-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: All these words and none to summarize why I would want to try to get it to work. It's just a short cellphone video clip of an hamster running in a wheel in the rear trunk of a parked Tesla. Ha, ha. Next week it'll be a

Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery

2015-08-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com wrote: On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is

Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery

2015-08-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier. I can't help but think this is the perfect being the enemy of the good. Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get

Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery

2015-08-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I could hold it to 50-55 mph. Ah...well, I think my point is still proven -- at least, if you amend it to include driving habits. The only full-sized

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 17, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But for 83% of us, it has dropped to Zero NOW. We aren't waiting. In addition to this very important point, there's another equally-important point to be made. Coal is nasty, yes. But so is petroleum. And even those

Re: [EVDL] EV facts, coal and shooting ourselves in the foot

2015-08-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Coal power is history. It is not because of more strict regulations (even though the polluter pays would have been nice for so many people suffering from the results of decades of burning coal) but simply the

Re: [EVDL] Aluminum-Air-Water Primary Battery Backup for LiIon Pack

2015-08-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 5, 2015, at 8:18 AM, len moskowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: 60 pounds of battery for 1000 miles of range Before you get too excited...these batteries are not rechargeable. They work by combining the aluminum in the battery with atmospheric oxygen -- essentially, they burn the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Offset Supercharging degradation w/ pack balancing

2015-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 4, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: We already went round and round with this no self discharge, no BMS fellow a few months ago. Yes, we did. I think a good analogy might be the Tire Pressure Monitoring System found in every new car for ages. You could

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Amsterdam.nl Tesla taxis crowd free-for-life supercharger EVSE

2015-07-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 3, 2015, at 12:58 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I felt bad for them, Ms Jamil said, noting that the other seven Model S sedans were unattended, a sign that their owners may be picking up items at the nearby shopping center while their cars charged. The two drivers

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: team-sport.co.uk Electric go-karts safer w/ more acceleration

2015-06-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 27, 2015, at 4:38 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Electric go-karts offer new thrill for youngsters at Acton track The local kart racing facility is all electric. Lots of fun to drive, and a much more pleasant experience than a gasoline-powered kart ride...I don't think

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D

2015-06-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: David's point, I believe is that the exercise of pitting a highly modified, purpose-built drag racer against a production car is rather childish Erm...I don't think you understand how these things work. I very, very

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zombie222 electric 1968 Mustang 0-60mph:2s destroys Tesla-SP85D

2015-06-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 24, 2015, at 3:14 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: ​I continue to be baffled by the drag guys' fascination with comparing a highly - and specifically - modified race car to a stock-and-standard high performance ​OEM car. Teslas aren't why Weyland built the Zombies. I

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I am curious as to how Paul came to his belief. His methodology is inadequate to the task -- rather like using a roadside truck scale to weigh the first four people to pass by and concluding that all humans weigh exactly 200

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-17 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben Goren via EV wrote: _Every_ charger has a battery management system. Only if you define BMS as Bare Minimum System. Yes -- exactly my point. The management might only be sufficient for shoving electrons into one side

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not understanding why you have a problem with Honda developing their line based on consumer demand, or the most profit. Don't you understand that this is how all the automakers compete, not to mention companies

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You do too. Yours is just manual. And that can work as long, as you're thoroughly knowledgable and attentive. That's the key point. _Every_ charger has a battery management system. The only question is the

Re: [EVDL] OT: Change in automakers' direction ...

2015-06-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:40 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Many of these guys actively LIKE -- deliberately PREFER -- the noise, stink, and grime that their ICEVs produce. That may even be more important to them than their actual performance. They really DO have

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 15, 2015, at 7:24 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I agree. This is a dead weight holding back sales of used conversions. For many good reasons, lots of EV hobbyists convert old vehicles. The problem is that when you go to sell, the vehicle is even older. And

Re: [EVDL] Last call for LeSled

2015-06-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: With the right pack this vehicle out range and perform any factory EV. It will also be better when the factory EV is broken as it will be fixable by the owner or any ev converter. The factory ev will cost big

[EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?

2015-06-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good direction?

Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy

2015-06-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Virtually all of these 10 million jobs will be eliminated within 10-15 years, and this list is by no means exhaustive. This is the big wildcard -- and not just as it relates to vehicles, electric or otherwise. Not since

Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy

2015-06-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter Couple more thoughts on this First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with replacing the

Re: [EVDL] Easy EV Comparison

2015-06-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I think a lot of the gas folks really do get that. The problem is that, especially in the more sprawling metropolises, their lives are built such that a car with only a two gallon tank just isn't any use to them. I have a good friend who lives in Surprise, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. She

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging a Nissan?

2015-06-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 3, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The guess-o-meter provides neither number. Ignoring the guess-o-meter for the moment...how accurate is the remaining charge meter? Can one use it mentally like one does the gas gauge on an ICE vehicle? That is, if you

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks, everybody, for all the advice. Sunday evening when I had dinner at their place, I set the car to only charge to 80%. I also set the timer so that it'll finish charging by 6:00 am, thinking that that was when their time-of-use plan kicked up to the higher rate. They actually don't have

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging a Nissan?

2015-06-03 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, slow charging is just fine, in fact, better for the life of the battery than fast charging. The reason they cannot recommend it is the simply the *ergonomics* of customer expectations of the miles-to-go gauge.

[EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, Dad just drove Mom home in a 2013 Leaf. ~12k miles, California vehicle; couldn't tell it from new. There was one bar missing from the charge gauge; the numeric meter read, 98%. Everybody's excited. It should be well and truly perfect for them. One thought I had that I'm hoping somebody

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 31, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Charles Galpin cgal...@lhsw.com wrote: Ben, do you mind sharing how much they paid? Leaf’s are getting pretty cheap here too. There is a 2012 SV with 15k miles for $11k locally which is calling my name. The charge on my credit card -- including all taxes and

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 31, 2015, at 1:46 PM, Jay Summet j...@summet.com wrote: but proably not at all worth the time/effort. Ah, well. 'Twas a thought My understanding is that the 20%-80% range is the safe range. Certainly makes things easier...take the time to charge to 80%, program the car to

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
inside than out. Put a highly reflective coating on=20 the roof to reflect more sunlight. Sigh, all of these things cost=20 money... Peri -- Original Message -- From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 31-May-15 12:03:27 PM

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 31, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The 2013 battery modules do have more air holes in them for passive thermal heating than the 2011/2012 modules. That sparks another interesting thought...would there be any particularly good place to position a box fan to

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 31, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Jay Summet via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One place where Lithium may work better over Lead is for instant/auto start/stop applications. I would think that such systems will have a relatively short life in the design studios. If you've got an hybrid of any

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 31, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't say this with pride; I'm actually sad to see it work out this way. It's just that our society creates an overwhelming pressure to keep doing the Same Old Thing, no matter what, no matter how many better ideas come

[EVDL] Almost....

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, this morning I help my parents finish putting in a bunch of sod in their back yard. Afterwards, Dad followed up on a couple Web sites he's been looking at and did a bit of math...and it seemed just possible that, with a trade-in offer and Federal tax credits and all the rest, they might be

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You need a court order Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement agencies that work with the NSA on parallel

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Mr23 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ? The context is vehicles, especially new factory electric vehicles, with a full suite of Big Brother spying equipment built into the car, hardware that we already know reports back

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 30, 2015, at 4:48 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You need a court order Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement agencies that work with the NSA on parallel

Re: [EVDL] GC batteries

2015-05-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 29, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I believe lithium is now about twice the price of lead for similar energy storage capacity. In general, we are rapidly approaching but not quite yet at the time when lithium trumps lead for all use cases. Once Tesla's

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 27, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: And don't forget the battery replacement cost - perhaps after 10 years or 70K miles? It seems that batteries are lasting at least as long as ICE engines and transmissions, and replacement new batteries are guaranteed

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 27, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Solar at this time, where I live with low cost electrons ($0.10 /kWh), is not a great investment without subsidies. That's damned cheap electricity. And, at utility scales, the only thing cheaper than solar these days

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 26, 2015, at 11:37 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here's one: transparent inductive charging. If we're dreaming, it's a wonderful dream. I don't think it's a very realistic dream, but it's certainly wonderful. As a bonus...going from inductive charging while

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 8:14 AM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The URL posted for the car indicates that the hub motor(s) are sprung. Huh? How on Earth is _that_ supposed to work? b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] Wheels for efficient vehicle.

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If you use a open spoke wheel that allows air to go thru the wheel, it is recommended to install a aluminum deflection plate about 0.125 inch thick that goes between the wheel and the axil flange, to prevent the air to go

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Maybe they have short axles and aren't truly hub motors? -- Original Message -- From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Willie2 wmckem...@gmail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 18-May-15 8:24:54 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Michael Kadie via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The correlation between weight and efficiency is true below 45 mph in general. That makes sense, and it's good news for my PHEV conversions...all-electric mode is going to be mostly around town and mostly at or below

Re: [EVDL] Wheels for efficient vehicle.

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote: The best way we did this when we were road rally racing, is to ink the tire and than lower it on a white plastic cover board. I understand that most track racing uses pyrometers or infrared cameras or the like to see which parts of the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 12:18 PM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When I built mine I did a spread sheet. Any chance you have a copy handy and would be willing to share? Because of the nature of the project, I'm not overly worried about battery range, but it's always better to refine

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: Ben Goren via EV wrote: The URL posted for the car indicates that the hub motor(s) are sprung. Huh? How on Earth is _that_ supposed to work? One way is to have a long shaft on the motor. It acts like a swing axle, like

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