Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (DC AC/heatpumps and waterheating)

2019-07-18 Thread paul dove via EV
No energy source is free. The cost is in extracting it and efficiency has a very narrow definition in engineering and does not include cost. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2019, at 10:33 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> Is solar thermal water heating *still*

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

2019-07-15 Thread paul dove via EV
That's good, all the inverters I have seen disconnect the solar panels when the grid goes down so you loose power from your own system to protect line workers. I never liked that configuration. The last time we had a 3 day power outage was in August in Alabama. It was hot and muggy and no hot

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

2019-07-15 Thread paul dove via EV
mail_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > >> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 8:5

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

2019-07-14 Thread paul dove via EV
a $250 generator won’t power your house. Maybe a few appliances. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > WHen you go grid-tie solar, nothing changes. you do the same thing you did > before. A $250 generator and a $15 can of gas is far more cost

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (transformers)

2019-07-14 Thread paul dove via EV
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is power outage. If the grid goes down with net metering so does you solar. You have to be off-grid to stay powered when the grid fails. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > But why are you so determined

Re: [EVDL] balancing: ?PD.lu purposely maintenance-drain Tesla-S pack every 20, 000km?

2019-07-01 Thread paul dove via EV
I think people get confused with the term balancing. It is pretty much a carry over from lead acid batteries where the take all the cells to boiling to get them to the same voltage at the end of charge. It doesn't apply to Lithium since this is derogatory to cell life. I believe what people are

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Transporting/moving your EV> look for a decent company

2019-06-30 Thread paul dove via EV
I e had electric cars moved and I did none of that Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 29, 2019, at 6:38 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/electric-vehicles/how-to-move-an-electric-car/ > How to move an electric car? > June 24, 2019 > > Moving an

Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV

2019-06-29 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Try leaving it plugged into the EVSE and see if it still does it. If you theory is correct it shouldn’t discharge while plugged in. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 28, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > I checked the 12v battery last night, cool at 12.6v not sucking any

Re: [EVDL] ?PD.lu purposely maintenance-drain Tesla-S pack every 20, 000km?

2019-06-29 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I thought it said once a month. So I looked it up and the manual says: It is recommended that you perform regular charging from 2 bars or less on the energy level gauge to full at least once every three months. This allows the energy level gauge to adjust to decreased battery capacity and

Re: [EVDL] ?PD.lu purposely maintenance-drain Tesla-S pack every 20, 000km?

2019-06-29 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Mitsubishi iMiEV does recommend taking it down to two bars once a month and then charging all the way up but I have seen nothing of the sort suggested in any of my Tesla documentation. The iMIEV bases your range indicator on a stored capacity value. It is a really poor design. If it gets off

Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark Charging Pattern

2019-06-27 Thread paul dove via EV
How old is your 12v battery? If it is original then I would think of replacing it. All sorts of strange behaviors have been linked to a weak 12V battery in the Mitsubishi i-MiEV. Even to the extend of DC to DC converter/charger failures. It certainly affects the range indicator. You can

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-27 Thread paul dove via EV
I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture. Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and banking circles. Toyota pretty much gets what it wants from

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Mainstream Automakers Embark on the Big Move to Battery-Electrics

2019-06-20 Thread paul dove via EV
One thing led to this Tesla Model 3 auto sales. Problem is there is still a problem driving any of these cars on a trip. Nowhere to charge it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2019, at 7:24 AM, moskowitz via EV wrote: > >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: MiloWee video of sleeping @Hwy-cruising Tesla wheel

2019-06-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Probably staged it will drive for a bit without you hands on the wheel but not for very long. On Monday, June 17, 2019, 5:36:08 PM CDT, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/9310085/motorist-snoozes-self-driving-tesla-cruises-motorway/ SNOOZE CONTROL Motorist

Re: [EVDL] BYD's(style.cn) inflated range ratings - how about fossil fuel heaters?

2019-05-30 Thread paul dove via EV
You are leaving out the self heating inside a battery under load Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> wouldn't it be just as easy to insulate the battery and >> provide a small electrical heat source. 100W or so? > > Lets say a 1000 lB battery. It

Re: [EVDL] Charegers

2019-05-30 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla modules are 6s configuration or 25.2 volts. 5 modules is 126 volts. Calbs are 3.65 end of charge or 175volts. If you can reduce the voltage it may work. Sent from my iPhone > On May 29, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Sam Shepherd via EV wrote: > > Will the 220 charger I used for my 48 calb's

Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

2019-05-24 Thread paul dove via EV
Did you realize that you can set the sensitivity of the model 3 Autopilot? Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > I'll bite. > > I own both a Bolt and a Model 3. I prefer to drive the Bolt over the > Model 3 when it comes to "safety". I prefer to

Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

2019-05-23 Thread paul dove via EV
He already did that when he decided not to use dealerships. The rest is just hypestories about Tesla sell especially if they are negative. Trump tweets stupid stuff and derogatory remarks on a daily basis. On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 1:23:22 PM CDT, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Does anyone really think Tesla can last?

2019-05-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, I believe they will last. Of course, they have a lot of people trying to cause them to fail. It is sort of mind blowing but anyone watching can see that most articles about them are negative. Big brokerage houses can cause panic in the market which is exactly what they have done. They just

Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile

2019-05-22 Thread paul dove via EV
I did not find this to be the case in a Tesla. You can get enough charge to continue the trip in 30 minutes after that the charging rate starts to drop. I didn't find that it took me a noticeable amount of time longer than a gasoline car. Of course, I am not one of those people that stop

Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile

2019-05-22 Thread paul dove via EV
So, you don't plug your Hybrids in at all? I have heard the Prius gets relatively poor mileage until the engine warms up.     During this warmup time, it gets about 35 to 40 miles per gallon.  If your driving consists of purely short, say five mile, trips - you will not get 50 miles per

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Failed Tesla eMMC bricks(kills) pack> warranty-over= sol

2019-05-11 Thread paul dove via EV
It does have a web browser and google maps Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2019, at 8:39 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 11 May 2019 at 4:20, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> On the specific issue, the eMMC chip in older Teslas is based within >> the car's media control unit and

Re: [EVDL] Convert Eerie Creepy Disappearing Gas Stations2: public EVSE Availability

2019-05-06 Thread paul dove via EV
Buy a Tesla no card required. The car navigates you to the charger and will tell you how many stalls there are and how many are empty it even tells you how long to charge to make it to the next charger. :) Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2019, at 12:31 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-06 Thread paul dove via EV
That’s still 37,000 usd to produce with no profit. For much less car than a Tesla. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2019, at 12:31 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 5 May 2019 at 19:57, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> Still it doesnTMt make a lot of >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread paul dove via EV
019, at 2:49 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 5 May 2019 at 6:25, paul dove via EV wrote: >> >> You can get a Tesla cheaper than that without the incentive > > Really? How? > > AFAIK VW haven't announced a dollar price, or even whether t

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: VW lo$ing €3000 on each ID EV

2019-05-05 Thread paul dove via EV
You can get a Tesla cheaper than that without the incentive Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2019, at 6:54 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > An entry ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $35k Tesla-3 store-orderable-only> 3yr lease-offered

2019-04-13 Thread paul dove via EV
How I bought a Tesla Model3 for $78 a month https://youtu.be/kWvs5H32Oyc Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2019, at 10:15 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] battery cell information johnson 24s cells

2019-04-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes it’s Johnson controls. Jehu has them on his ebay page. https://kit.com/jehu/lithium-battery-sources-july-2018 Maybe send a message to Jehu he might have a spec sheet Sent from my iPad > On Apr 12, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > I looked at the website for "Johnson

Re: [EVDL] plusing charger controller / no bms

2019-03-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Doesn't somebody have to die for a Darwin award? On Friday, March 22, 2019, 11:44:25 AM CDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Dan Baker via EV wrote: > Thanks guys for the information. Ken and I are reaching out for help so > don't spank us yet for putting in something dangerous lol. Hi guys,

Re: [EVDL] NMC cells ran below 2.5 vots n left

2019-03-19 Thread paul dove via EV
NMC charge up to 4.2 Volts Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2019, at 2:28 AM, ken via EV wrote: > > I bought a pack or lihium ion of cells and they arived pretty much dead. > like 0 or .25 each cell. > > I used 306b nicad setting to bring them up to 3.00, then swtiched to > lipo to charge

Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium

2019-03-18 Thread paul dove via EV
that the faster rates had some unavoidable internal > >>>> heating, (even though the case temperature was held at a constant 25 > >>>> degrees Celsius,) which tends to decrease the internal resistance, and > >>>> tends to raise the terminal voltage under lo

Re: [EVDL] ?seeking EVSE-share experiences & advice

2019-03-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Many residential neighborhoods don’t allow commercial operators. Even if they do your neighbors will not like it. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2019, at 3:06 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % Bottom-line/summary: I request feedback of experiences of sharing their > home EVSE. > >

Re: [EVDL] plusing charger controller

2019-03-18 Thread paul dove via EV
What would that accomplish? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:39 PM, ken via EV wrote: > > From thoese of us with no bms HVC cut off, or top end shunts, or fragel > charging circuts or time of day.. I like to see some kind of a charger > timer that could control the input to the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Morley EV-converts elderly-Tojo> skun-knuckles, thrown-spanners, wicked-language= Bugger

2019-03-17 Thread paul dove via EV
I converted a 1986 Celica for $16,000 back in 2009 when all you could get were LiFePO4 cells and they were more expensive than the cells you can buy from wrecked cars now. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 17, 2019, at 4:53 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > 'I genuinely love the idea of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rivian e-truck box system patents r:230-400mi

2019-03-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Ford made a RANGER in the late 90’s Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2019, at 11:24 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Bruce posted this claim in a press release: > “Rivian, a Michigan-based startup that could become the first automaker to > bring an all-electric pickup truck to market”

Re: [EVDL] MP.uk Norman requires noisy-EVs> silent-EV made horse go-bananas

2019-03-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Except it’s been shown that you hear the tires before you hear the engine Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2019, at 9:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/concerns-raised-parliament-electric-cars-danger-horses-681653 > Concerns raised in parliament over

Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium

2019-03-16 Thread paul dove via EV
ischarge rate or change the BMS to accept a lower > cutoff voltage and risk battery damage. > > >> On 15/03/2019 10:20, paul dove via EV wrote: >> Peukert's law was developed for Lead-Acid batteries, and works well in that >> application. >> >> It does

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rivian e-truck box system patents r:230-400mi

2019-03-16 Thread paul dove via EV
105KWh battery in the truck for 69,000 I don’t believe that story. Sounds like a pipe dream. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2019, at 11:04 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://electrek.co/2019/03/12/rivian-modular-box-system-r1t-electric-pickup-truck/ > Rivian patents modular box

Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium

2019-03-15 Thread paul dove via EV
Peukert's law was developed for Lead-Acid batteries, and works well in that application. It does not necessarily apply to other battery chemistries, especially Lithium-Ion batteries. Lithium-Ion batteries tend to self-heat during rapid discharge, and the Nernst Equation predicts battery

Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium

2019-03-13 Thread paul dove via EV
Rated Capacity” is defined in the UN Model Regulations as follows: Rated capacity means the capacity, in ampere-hours, of a cell or battery as measured by subjecting it to a load, temperature and voltage cut-off point specified by the manufacturer. You need to know how the manufacturer tested

Re: [EVDL] Alibaba/Aliexpress Lithium

2019-03-12 Thread paul dove via EV
Contrary to popular belief charging a Lithium Ion battery as little to do with the voltage of the charger. Charging Lithium Ion batteries is a procedure when one holds the current constant until a voltage is reached and then holding the voltage constant letting current drop to a current cutoff

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-11 Thread paul dove via EV
So what brand of EV do you drive? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > how ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-10 Thread paul dove via EV
It is really no relevant since there is a test drive option on the web site and in addition Tesla says you can return in if you don’t like it up to 1000 miles. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > > I think that Musk was smoking something. > >

[EVDL] Fwd: The $35,000 Model 3 is Here

2019-03-01 Thread paul dove via EV
> > > > We are proud to announce the $35,000 Tesla Model 3. > With 220 miles of range, a 5.6 second 0–60mph and over-the-air updates, Model > 3 Standard Range is now available to order at $35,000 before incentives. > Although lower in cost, it is built to achieve the same perfect 5-star

Re: [EVDL] (metricmind.com links): Supercaps reduce li-ion pack sagging

2019-03-01 Thread paul dove via EV
You are better off to add more batteries in parallel than caps. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2019, at 3:33 AM, Steve Heath via EV wrote: > > Adding supercapacitors in parallel with the approproate balancing circuits > (Aliexpress is your friend) is more about making the battery life easier

Re: [EVDL] No Tesla-3 charging @L3-175kW from HyperEVSE

2019-02-26 Thread paul dove via EV
That is a lot of hype and short on accurate facts IMO. While the battery in a models will certainly take a 175kw charge I am not at all sure the cables can handle it. I watched Jack charge a single cell out of a model 3 at 10 Amps to 4.2 V. There are 46 cells in parallel in a Model 3 so that is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Kona Battles (compared2) Bolt> (EVs are NOT lame= Crazy Demand)

2019-02-25 Thread paul dove via EV
So you can buy a model 3 with access to the super charger network for the same price as a Hyundai LOL! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2019, at 4:50 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] Ovshinsky was used/played/taken: ... fossil buy-in

2019-02-19 Thread paul dove via EV
It was 1992 and it’s called the US Advanced Battery Consortium. https://www.uscar.org/guest/teams/12/U-S-Advanced-Battery-Consortium-LLC Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2019, at 9:44 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > [ref >

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-18 Thread paul dove via EV
The way I heard the story was that he made big promises but failed to deliver. He had trouble managing money apparently not unlike Nikola Tesla. Here’s an article in Forbes that has part of the story. https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/086.html Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 18, 2019, at

Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

2019-02-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Buy Tesla Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20 >> minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to >> get home and

Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-17 Thread paul dove via EV
gt; Submerge? > > http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70=1920=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fsunken-ferrari-1.jpg%3Fquality%3D85 > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, paul dove via EV wr

Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Mitsubishi says to submerge the battery in salt water. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 2/16/19 12:14 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: >> Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice >> they could throw on the

Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-16 Thread paul dove via EV
The main point is that a lithium battery fire is a chemical fire supplying its own oxygen so it can’t be smothered. One must remove the heat and bring the temperature of the the battery below the thermal run away point. I watched videos of firemen trying to douse a lithium battery fire and it

Re: [EVDL] EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-15 Thread paul dove via EV
facturers to get the > information out there and to develop standards and training. Dealing with a > fire is one thing, but things get difficult and dangerous if the best we can > do is make uneducated guesses. > -- > Ron > >> On February 14, 2019 12:20:30 p.m. CST, paul dove

Re: [EVDL] EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-14 Thread paul dove via EV
There have been battery fires in wrecked Tesla’s this is a real danger. Don’t plow you car into anything! More disturbing is the article not calling out the firemen for incorrect techniques to douse a battery fire. Never use devices designed to smother the fire. The only way to put out a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EVs good for Nevada Economy (v)

2019-02-04 Thread paul dove via EV
Where do you get these batteries 80% off. I paid $1.20 an Ah in 2009. I need some $0.24 per Ah batteries. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2019, at 8:36 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (VW pr) Unreleased Porsche Taycan doubles production

2019-01-25 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes but Tesla has a Supercharger network and Porsche does not! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2019, at 9:20 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/this-is-the-electric-porsche-sports-car-people-are-lining-up-for.html > Porsche doubles production of the electric

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM boosts Bolt production> (after killing-off Sonic ice)

2019-01-23 Thread paul dove via EV
It’s not low sales it’s dropping sales. They went from over 5,000 a month to 2000 a month in 2018. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 6:43 AM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > > The article mentions low sales for the Sonic as a reason for possible end of > production of the Sonic. Oddly,

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Peterbilt 148kWh 220EV Medium-Duty e-Truck r:100mi (v)

2019-01-23 Thread paul dove via EV
http://www.transpowerusa.com/battery-options/ Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2019, at 11:10 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > 148 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [EVDL] Petulant trucker-hat-wearing duo of dolts foolishly finger-gesture !rump: chanting trucks ...

2019-01-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
When I drove my Tesla to Georgia one of the Superchargers was in a pay parking lot. You get a ticket to open the gate and get it stamped by a local merchant nearby. This solution would cut down on Ice blockers I suspect. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 21, 2019, at 12:26 AM, Haudy Kazemi via EV

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-20 Thread paul dove via EV
This would be pointless. If they don't provide DC fast charging it's not useful. On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:00:29 PM CST, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: You may see this in California rest areas (just the EVSEs). There have been behind the scenes discussions about this. - Mark

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-18 Thread paul dove via EV
It’s about time they got a clue. However, they still haven’t addressed charging on travel. The only place around here for fast charge is the dealership Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > For those that have doubted my view that electric

Re: [EVDL] 2019 Lithium Recommendations

2019-01-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Any Lithium Ion chemistry will do that with the same voltage and amp hour. I like LiFePO4 since they are safer Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2019, at 6:54 AM, David Delman via EV wrote: > > I am interested in improving the range of my eLectric DeLorean. Presently > with 13 Sears PM1 12v

Re: [EVDL] Tesla wanted

2019-01-15 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla certifies pre owned https://www.tesla.com/inventory/used/ms Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV > wrote: > > My wife and I are going to take the plunge and are looking for a Tesla S or > 3. We live in Virginia but would travel as needed for a

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $7.3k SAIC-GM Baojun-E100 EV.cn vs $9k GW ORA-R1 EV.cn

2019-01-11 Thread paul dove via EV
So is that $1430 after the tax credit? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:58 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % GM e100 is cheaper % > > https://electrek.co/2018/12/27/great-wall-motor-ora-r1-all-electric-urban-car/ > China’s Great Wall Motor unveils $8,680 all-electric ORA R1

Re: [EVDL] Tango: Rant ...

2019-01-07 Thread paul dove via EV
Most of them use AC permanent magnet motors Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2019, at 8:57 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Rant-Rave-not-charging-in-an-EVSE-spot-extremely-frustrating-tp4692436p4692447.html > ] > > % proem:

Re: [EVDL] Making Fun of EV Owners: F-Tesla_chanting trucks ICEed/blocked all superEVSE @Sheetz.com NC store

2018-12-31 Thread paul dove via EV
Most chargers are on private property Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2018, at 11:33 PM, Tom Hudson via EV wrote: > > Does anyone on the list have links to legislation prohibiting non-EVs from > parking in dedicated EV charging spots? I'd like to try and get ahead of > this problem here

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-26 Thread paul dove via EV
“Except for the upper stage of a rocket, hydrogen makes no sense,” Elon Musk, the parent of the battery-powered Roadster and Model S said in an e-mail interview to ScienceFriday. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > > > >> Remember how the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: L3 DC charging leaves L2 AC face-down in the dust

2018-12-25 Thread paul dove via EV
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Jan Steinman via EV wrote: > > > >> On Dec 25, 2018, at 13:08, Cor van de Water > > wrote: >> >> DC charging only consists of an inlet, a pair of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Firearms shouldn't be discharged into a Tesla Pack

2018-12-20 Thread paul dove via EV
I know a Chinese company fired into a cell but I can’t remember which one CALB maybe it’s in an EVTV episode. This guys understanding of lithium battery fires is all wrong. There is no lithium metal it’s a lithium salt which doesn’t react with air. And you should use lots of water to put it

Re: [EVDL] Farmers must work together 4environmental concerns

2018-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
That article is an attack on Tesla more than EVs in general.. and then there is this. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-farm-bureaus-big-business/ Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2018, at 10:52 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Toyota dealers say there is no sale$ demand.us forEVs

2018-12-15 Thread paul dove via EV
I think that is true initially. But if you can get them to take the first bite they adapt very quickly. We bought a Model three for my wife to drive. She had range anxiety so we got the big battery with advertised 310 miles of range.We bought it several months ago. When we first got it she would

Re: [EVDL] Stella Vie information for John.

2018-12-11 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, i had the same issue which to me means it's a lot of hype too much information missing. On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 1:10:41 AM CST, Larry Gales via EV wrote: I  don't know why web sites that feature a technology do not create a standard table that shows the major specs. 

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid

2018-12-11 Thread paul dove via EV
There were 6 million vehicles sold in the US in 2017. 50,000 model 3's is a niche. On Monday, December 10, 2018, 11:48:03 AM CST, Willie via EV wrote: On 12/10/18 11:17 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > A niche of a niche, because even today EVs themselves are still a niche

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too hea

2018-12-09 Thread paul dove via EV
I don’t think you get it! They wouldn’t sell many Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2018, at 4:16 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > You still don't get it. This car is built like a race car and is a race car. > It is also touted as a family car. The design is monocoque construction >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too small a surface

2018-12-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Because it is a hassle to get it out of the trunk. The other option is to leave it in the garage but then you are on the road without it. If you can afford a model 3 or up the you can afford a $500 evse for the wall. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2018, at 11:12 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too heavy a car.

2018-12-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Who would feel safe in an 827 lb car? On Sunday, December 9, 2018, 11:37:15 AM CST, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I can only say that my attempts of education here have failed.  I will try again.  Elon is a devious and secretive person.  That is fine, he is in business and needs to

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof option> too small a surface

2018-12-08 Thread paul dove via EV
(Eight hours of charging Tesla’s Model 3 from a wall socket will give you your expected 200-plus miles of range.) Someone's math is off. You can only get 1KW/h from a wall socket. Maybe 30 miles in 8 hours. On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 8:05:15 PM CST, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Electrification juices tuner/hot-rodder/customizer culture

2018-12-07 Thread paul dove via EV
Do we have a number on the number of people who have died modifying electric vehicles. My guess is none. On Thursday, December 6, 2018, 9:34:24 PM CST, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread paul dove via EV
The range in my Mitsubishi i-MiEV drops about 10% in cold weather too. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf > ? > > Temp about 45F > Heat on: drawing average of about 1

Re: [EVDL] Tesla battery cells (no BMS) burst into flame...

2018-12-04 Thread paul dove via EV
He has a you tube channel called Rich Rebuilds where he documented the whole thing. They didn’t even tie the batteries down they were just laying in the back Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:57 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Listen especially to the end of that video. >

Re: [EVDL] Entrepreneur Magazine: Police Catch Tesla Autopilot Driving Home Sleeping Drunk

2018-12-03 Thread paul dove via EV
I saw this article the other day and I am still having difficulty believing the policeman's story. I used autopilot in my Tesla and there's no way it would let me go 7 minutes without touching the wheel. It would turn autopilot off. From: Len Moskowitz via EV To: EVDL Cc: Len

Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1244 Controller Repair

2018-11-30 Thread paul dove via EV
From the manual:PRECHARGEThe precharge parameter enables or disables the precharge function. When this parameter is set to “On,” the precharge function does not close the main contactor until the internal power capacitor bank charges to within 10% of the battery voltage. Charging is

Re: [EVDL] Ford Transit XLT By Azure for Ford

2018-11-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Azure Dynamics in partnership with Ford bought rollers and made them electric. The files bankruptcy and went out of business Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2018, at 3:45 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > Does anyone know the background of this vehicle? Can it be upgraded with > level

Re: [EVDL] Koch/Big-Oil Likes Its Own Giant Subsidy, not EVs'

2018-11-20 Thread paul dove via EV
According to a 2015 estimate by the Obama administration, the US oilindustry benefited from subsidies of about $4.6 billion per year.. in addition to the carbon emissions talked about here. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2018, at 8:43 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] ?Is this an EV or Watt?: ?Is it a Volt, Bolt, Prius?> crashed in Canby-OR

2018-11-11 Thread paul dove via EV
The reason he can work on those voltage lines from the helicopter is that he’s not grounded. It connects the voltage from the line to the cages and so he’s the same potential there’s nowhere for energy to flow. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 11, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] ?Is this an EV or Watt?: ?Is it a Volt, Bolt, Prius?> crashed in Canby-OR

2018-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
That’s because they can’t be electrocuted unless they touched something There have to be a pat the ground Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2018, at 11:10 AM, JoeS. via EV wrote: > > /Chris wrote: I'm an electrical dolt, but I thought there is no danger in > handling an EV > in water because

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Well conducted emissions seems easier to eliminate Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > paul dove via EV wrote: >> Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? > > If radiated, it will cause problems

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 8, 2018, at 9:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/video_didnt_kill_the_radio_star_but_electric_cars_might/41298 > Video didn't kill the radio

Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1227-2406 controller docs

2018-11-07 Thread paul dove via EV
https://www.tecknowledgey.com/amfilerating/file/download/file_id/333/ Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 6, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Hi all, > > A friend called me today. He's building a personal mobility vehicle, and > acquired a Curtis 1227-2406 controller on ebay for it. I

Re: [EVDL] anti-EV Clarkson sez range-ometer is weird, speculative-misery, angst-fraught

2018-11-03 Thread paul dove via EV
Someone who did what? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2018, at 4:23 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > { ... I know someone who did that and his home caught fire. ... However, the > range-ometer in an electric car is a weird and speculative thing ... } > >

Re: [EVDL] Zilla Code 1124 Main Contactor Stuck On

2018-10-31 Thread paul dove via EV
I am no expert but it sounds like you have 12 v power issues Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Damon Henry via EV wrote: > > Recently when I start my truck it often takes me a couple of tries of turning > the main contactor on and off before the motor will spin. I figured

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-27 Thread paul dove via EV
r 10 years, >>> but is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, >>> and have been investing in both types of EVs. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >>> >>>

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread paul dove via EV
but > is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and > have been investing in both types of EVs. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >> >> Of course

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread paul dove via EV
lost money for 10 years, but > is Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in it for the long game, and > have been investing in both types of EVs. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Oct 26, 2018, at 4:04 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-26 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Of course they do because they are losing money on the bolt. Need another government bailout. https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-chevy-bolt Sent from my iPad > On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars (charging while parked)

2018-10-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Last time I checked the midrange model 3 was available for order Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:47 AM, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: > > My wife and I are on the waiting list for a 220 mile range Model 3. We > don't need the 310 mile range or the high performance. > > When we

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-20 Thread paul dove via EV
I can’t answer to that since I never used a Supercharger but my assumption was that this number ($8.10 see photo) was the price to full. Tesla says they do not profit on the electricity. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2018 10:02

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Mid range battery model 3 now available https://3.tesla.com/model3/design?#payment Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > Mark, I agree 100%. Twenty years ago when I was doing "show and tell" with my > Citicars and conversions I could only dream that

Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla, Edison-Tesla Deja Vu [Free Supercharging!]

2018-10-18 Thread paul dove via EV
It is probably regional. This was for the supercharger near my house. According to what I read Tesla charges whatever the local rate is for electricity. Around here it is .10 a kilowatt hr. It may be more in other locations based on utility rates. I looked again and sent a picture my car says

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