Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-29 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
nan via EV > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:16 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Tom Keenan > Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) > > For those interested, here is a slightly more detailed write-up of my solar > power system at home. > >

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
e -- From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Robert Bruninga" Sent: 29-May-20 9:36:40 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) No, less. Around here, maybe 35% of our electricity comes from Nuclear. BUT the nucle

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
ia EV Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:50 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lee Hart Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > Without energy storage, you actually need *more* energy infrastructure. Yes... But they already *have* the i

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
--- From: EV On Behalf Of Tom Keenan via EV Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:16 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Tom Keenan Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) For those interested, here is a slightly more detailed write-up of my solar power system at home. The supplier f

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Wow! What the cost of your system? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 28, 2020, at 8:16 PM, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > > For those interested, here is a slightly more detailed write-up of my solar > power system at home. > > The supplier for my system is Electriq.

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
They may have it, but they will need more as the amount of renewables increase as you need to address the intermittent loss of those. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 28, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> Without energy

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Not necessarily for peak load going down. When you have lots of renewables on the grid, unless you have storage to even things out, you need infrastructure to handle the diurnal swings in renewables. When you lose the renewables, you still need to be able to handle the load as well as accept

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Tom Keenan via EV
For those interested, here is a slightly more detailed write-up of my solar power system at home. The supplier for my system is Electriq. They provided a Darfon(Panasonic) charger/inverter and the Panasonic batteries. I believe the battery cells are similar to the ones used by Tesla, but am

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Willie via EV
Thomas's post didn't make it to me. I'm pleased to see it completely quoted here. On 5/28/20 8:09 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: Tom, could you give some specifics on this system, or point us to a web page? What battery? What inverter? Thanks, Al On 5/28/2020 1:24 PM, Thomas Keenan via EV

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
Thomas Keenan, could you please provide more information on your solar setup? 1. What and how many solar panels 2. What kind and how many batteries We have 1. 24 265 W BenQ (Checz Republic) panels 2. Two SMA Sunny Boy (grid-tied) inverters 3. Tigo Optimizers Each spring and fall we have a month

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Alan Arrison via EV
Tom, could you give some specifics on this system, or point us to a web page? What battery? What inverter? Thanks, Al On 5/28/2020 1:24 PM, Thomas Keenan via EV wrote: Where I live, the local utility has some odd rules, but I do get credited $0.06968 for each kWh given back to the grid. I

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Without energy storage, you actually need *more* energy infrastructure. Yes... But they already *have* the infrastructure. The utilities want to keep getting money for it. Never mind that it was paid off decades ago. Sort of like wanting to keep driving your old

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Jim Walls via EV
On 05/28/2020 14:43, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Without energy storage, you actually need *more* energy infrastructure. Why would you need more infrastructure to handle your peak load going down? -- 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org Ofc:

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ffects of leaf blowers ? > https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "EVDL Administrator" > Sent: 28-May-20 12:05:00

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Cc: EVDL Administrator Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) On 28 May 2020 at 15:52, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > But to be fair, there is a cost to the utility company since they get > less revenue but still must maintain the same level of infrastructure. > Surely there's

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
<< Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EVDL Administrator" Sent: 28-May-20 12:05:00 PM Subject

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 May 2020 at 15:52, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > But to be fair, there is a cost to the utility > company since they get less revenue but still must maintain the same > level of infrastructure. Surely there's a better and fair way to do > this. This is where subsidies come in. If a

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Thomas Keenan via EV
e utility needs it most is a travesty of utility greed and > illiteracy of the community politcians. (in my humble opinion…) > > > > Bob > > > > *From:* Bobby Keeland > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:58 PM > *To:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List > *Cc:* Robert Brunin

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Robert Bruninga" Sent: 28-May-20 7:16:30 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) Wow, that is a travesty. U

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
when the utility needs it most is a travesty of utility greed and illiteracy of the community politcians. (in my humble opinion…) Bob *From:* Bobby Keeland *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:58 PM *To:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List *Cc:* Robert Bruninga *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-27 Thread Bobby Keeland via EV
Robert Burnings said "With GT, there is no such thing as wasted, or excess power, its all converted to $$$ on your electric bill." That all depends on your local electric company. When we produce more electricity than we use the excess does go to the utility. We are not paid for that electricity

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-27 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I disagree. When you make a $10,000 investment in a solar array, any sun that falls on it and does not give you retail value in return for the electricity is truly a wasted economic value. I guess it's wasted if you consider money as "waste". And, if your