Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 17:04, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I don't think the situation is hopeless or impossible. But it is > certainly difficult. > > It's the Innovator's Dilemma. How do you sell a disruptive new product > in a market already controlled by entrenched competitors? Answer? You > can't.

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT (and apartments)

2019-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
By the way, I had long used the argument that almost 70% of Americans live in single family - detached homes and so if we got 70% of Americans to drive EV's (and charge at home) we have solved 70% of the gasoline burning problem. That is the national census number. BUT, it turns out, here in

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 5 May 2019 at 20:36, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Nope. Sorry. GM is a mass market manufacturer. That's a

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Good counter arguments! Thanks You're welcome. And Thank YOU for such a cogent description on the number of gas stations and amount of "fueling time that would be needed. I'm no researcher, so it's hard for me to dig up this kind of information. -- "If I

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Anecdotal evidence: I have charged a grand total of 1 time at the public charging station across the street... So, for me the balance lies at over 99% private charging. I suspect others have similar experience and this skews the picture quite a bit away from

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: For all those reasons, Lee mentioned, light weight solar vehicles make sense. If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Lawrence Rhodes Ah, but what you and I want

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 May 2019 at 20:36, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk > that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Nope. Sorry. GM is a mass market manufacturer. That's a technical marvel, not a mass appeal

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers

2019-05-05 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
For all those reasons, Lee mentioned, light weight solar vehicles make sense. If a bunch of students can manufacturer a vehicle that seats 4 with a trunk that can do 400 miles a day that is what GM should be building. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Anecdotal evidence: I have charged a grand total of 1 time at the public charging station across the street, due to not planning ahead. Every other time, I charge at home or work. So, for me the balance lies at over 99% private charging. I suspect others have similar experience and this skews the

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Good counter arguments! Thanks Bob On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:50 PM Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > >> I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas > > stations are now. > > > > The 300 million cars are served by about 120,000 gas stations in the >

Re: [EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-05 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now. The 300 million cars are served by about 120,000 gas stations in the USA... What about when we get to 300M EVs? Lets assume 80% charge at home leaving 60M needing public

[EVDL] Availability of public chargers - NOT

2019-05-03 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> I'm not sure EV charging stations will ever be as prolific as gas stations are now. Gas stations and EV charging are apples and oranges... Gas cars REQUIRE gas stations once a week for 5 minutes. The 300 million cars are served by about 120,000 gas stations in the USA. Usually there are cars