Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-20 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV
I think in certain situations, an EV could be a very good purchasing decision -- just based on cost, nothing else. I was looking at the numbers for leasing a leaf vs leasing a prius (which I am now doing), and the lease cost is about the same (if anything, the Leaf is a little cheaper to lease),

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Oct 2014 at 8:54, Rick Beebe via EV wrote: EVs are, in general, a poor purchasing decision anyway But driving electric isn't about the economics or the convenience. For me it's about the environment and where I choose to send my money. This is a problem for EVs, mostly because

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:49 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As long as EVs are ...a poor purchasing decision ... the only way we'll get significant numbers of ordinary folks to buy them is to give them (the people, I mean) cash or other monetary incentives. This is true

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Rick Beebe via EV wrote: I have two EVs and a PHEV so I'm well aware of the advantages of starting out with a full vehicle every morning. But there are millions of people who live in places where they can't plug their car in and I bet some number of them are wishing they could get away from gas.

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-16 Thread Alan Brinkman via EV
A few vehicle manufacturers did offer, and I think a few still do offer a car or truck that runs on compressed natural gas. You can fill at a public station or have a small cng compressor installed in your garage if you have natural gas at your home and a minimum supply flow. Consumers with a

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 Oct 2014 at 17:06, David Nelson via EV wrote: So much misinformation people have. Li-batteries already last more than 2 years, they already charge in under 4 hours if the infrastructure can handle it, and why do I need a 5 minute recharge when my car is going to be parked for over 8

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Peter Gabrielsson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As for cellphones the real limiter on how fast you can recharge tends to be the connector, cables and power supply. Cars, too. 10 kWh / minute is 600 kilowatts, a most impressive power transfer rate. That's going

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I can't see why I need a high rate of charge at home. If you are economizing you never build for peak demand. However, many cars on the grid charging slowly still requires some sort of compensatory, mitigating, constructing effort. This is not how batteries for cars will be charged at home.

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Michael Ross via EV
The number of people buying the high end Tesla cars is and will be exceedingly small and no concern for the grid operators. The number of people who will buy a second probably much larger pack for their home (so they can still charge after a number of cloudy days) will also be very small. So

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
On 10/15/2014 03:04 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: On Oct 15, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: I can't see why I need a high rate of charge at home. Need? Obviously not. Want? Who wouldn't? I don't need or want it. But if I lived in an apartment building where

Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I can't see why I need a high rate of charge at home. I don't need or want it. But if I lived in an apartment building where I couldn't plug my car it, being able to zap it full on the way to or from work might be the deciding factor in whether I buy one or not. Every single day for the rest

[EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-14 Thread Len Moskowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Batteries that can be recharged to 70 percent in just 2 minutes

2014-10-14 Thread David Nelson via EV
So much misinformation people have. Li-batteries already last more than 2 years, they already charge in under 4 hours if the infrastructure can handle it, and why do I need a 5 minute recharge when my car is going to be parked for over 8 hours while I sleep? Don't get me wrong, this is a great