Re: [EVDL] Bolt Lithium Battery Chemistry for 100% charging?

2023-12-02 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
It seems to me that most BMS algorithms don't allow either full charge or 
full discharge.  They reserve capacity for longer life, and to use as the 
battery degrades.  

Our Zoe has a ~56kWh battery with 52kWh usable, so about 4% is reserved.

Our garage is freeze and heat-wave resistant, usually 14-22 deg C year round 
(thick stone walls), so that's good for the battery.  I still don't like to 
let it sit at 100% (~97% actual) for longer than necessary.

Normally we just charge to full the night before we take a longish trip.

If the car gets down to 20-25% in shorter trips, I charge to between 80 and 
90%.  The car has no option for such, so I manually stop the charge around 
2h before the guessometer thinks it will be full.

As I understand it, equalization only happens at 100% indicated.  We do that 
at least once a month, so I'm not too concerned.  (Other opinions?)

Zoe has going since 2012 and there are lots of examples of older ones 
retaining 90-98% of factory capacity at well over 100,000km, with no special 
treatment.  I suppose that with the Bolt you don't have quite as long a 
history to look at. 

Recently I read of a 2017 Zoe used in taxi service that was at 96% capacity 
at over 350,000km.  Taxis don't sit at 100% for any length of time so I'm 
sure that helped.  

That would have been with LG E63 LiPo cells.  Our 2020 cells are LiNCM, LG 
E78, 192 of them, 78ah each.  I don't know what difference the chemistry 
will make, if any..

This scheme might not work for you since you seem to put lots more miles on 
your EVs than we do, but I suspect that it's possible to overthink these 
matters.  And hey, you'll soon have a nice new battery, no?  Congrats on 
getting your stealer to cooperate.

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[EVDL] Bolt Lithium Battery Chemistry for 100% charging?

2023-12-02 Thread Mark Hanson via EV
Hi Folks
Shelor Chevy in Christiansburg Va finally caved in to me requesting a battery 
replacement on my 2020 Bolt EV after 2 weeks and ordered the replacement 
battery.   GM is still not requiring 80% charge for local trips like all other 
EV manufacturers using NMC lithium batteries.  Online I see LiFePo4 batteries 
that are less sensitive to 100% continuous charging being used on some new EUVs 
and then also see nickel -nmc being added to new and replacement packs.   Does 
anyone know what final lithium based chemistry that GM has decided on to allow 
full 100% charging every time without longevity problems? 
 Just curious what new chemistry I’m getting in the next month when they 
install the new battery and how best to treat it for longevity.  Battery 
university.com indicates that LeFePo4 is more tolerant of constant full charge 
- so I ordered some for my Bergey  wind/solar backup that keeps a float 28.2V 
(is adjustable) on 24V 380ah batteries. Hopefully will last 10 years or so 
instead of the Interstate flooded lead L16’s that had open cells in 5 years. 
Best regards 
Mark in Roanoke VA


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