Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
More herehttp://smdp.com/police-pepper-spray-santa-monica-man-park-dispute/147521 http://www.surfsantamonica.com/ssm_site/the_lookout/news/News-2015/April-2015/04_29_2015_Attorney_Claims_Super-Aggressive_Santa_Monica_Officers_Roughed_Up_Client.html In the article, the police claim the charging stations close at 8 pm.(seems a little unreasonable) From: Lawrence Winiarski lawrence_winiar...@yahoo.com To: Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com; Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + More here.. http://santamonicapd.org/Content.aspx?id=52058 From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly poor judgment by police officers. Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit goes on all the time, and it's only quite rare that there's somebody with a camera there to film it. The only poor judgement the officers are going to consider themselves guilty of is not noticing the bystander with the camera. Driving While Black is outrageous enough...apparently Charging While Black needs to be added to the list. I have some small hope that the increasing ubiquity of smartphones will help keep the cops better in line...but cops are also well known for intimidating bystanders into destroying evidence that incriminates corrupt cops, if necessary by arresting the bystanders for failing to comply with a police order and then accidentally destroying the evidence themselves. There're lots of good cops on the beat, to be sure...but the system as an whole stinks to high heaven. Regardless...a sad lesson for EV drivers with a built-in suntan. You're at as much danger from the cops when you're charging as you are when you're driving; plan your charging accordingly, be aware, and protect yourself. Maybe even invest in a dsahcam of your own, and a particularly inconspicuous one at that b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150426/003de898/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150430/5009c136/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
More here.. http://santamonicapd.org/Content.aspx?id=52058 From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly poor judgment by police officers. Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit goes on all the time, and it's only quite rare that there's somebody with a camera there to film it. The only poor judgement the officers are going to consider themselves guilty of is not noticing the bystander with the camera. Driving While Black is outrageous enough...apparently Charging While Black needs to be added to the list. I have some small hope that the increasing ubiquity of smartphones will help keep the cops better in line...but cops are also well known for intimidating bystanders into destroying evidence that incriminates corrupt cops, if necessary by arresting the bystanders for failing to comply with a police order and then accidentally destroying the evidence themselves. There're lots of good cops on the beat, to be sure...but the system as an whole stinks to high heaven. Regardless...a sad lesson for EV drivers with a built-in suntan. You're at as much danger from the cops when you're charging as you are when you're driving; plan your charging accordingly, be aware, and protect yourself. Maybe even invest in a dsahcam of your own, and a particularly inconspicuous one at that b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150426/003de898/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150427/a254cc03/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
Then, even if making a mistake, why all the aggressive action? Thanks, Bruce, for bringing this to attention (though I suspect this will be all over the headlines). Peri It apparently happened last Tuesday.I wouldn't hold your breath. Unfortunately this sort of stuff happens every day and never gets reported Sure looks like an innocent guy being abused. Be nice to figure out a way to help a fellow EV'er ..perhaps more press Looked up the police reporthe's being charged with typical trumped up police bull ...certainly nothing that would indicate a crime. Police reports here...only one with first name Justin http://www.santamonicapd.org/PoliceDailyReports/arr20150423.pdf PALMER, JUSTIN County: Los Angeles For: 148(A)(1) Resist/Obstruct/Delay Peace Officer Justin Palmer Arrest Details | Local Crime News | | | | | | | | | | | Justin Palmer Arrest Details | Local Crime News The following Official Record for JUSTIN PALMER is being redistributed by LCN and is protected by constitutional, publishing, and other legal rights. | | | | View on www.localcrimenews... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | -- Original Message -- From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Apr-15 5:35:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + % Always show your ID EV-ignorant profiling-police will assault charging EVrs % http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/2015/04/committee-for-racial-justice-calls-emergency-meeting-tonight/ COMMITTEE FOR RACIAL JUSTICE CALLS EMERGENCY MEETING TONIGHT April 26, 2015 by Peggy Clifford The Committee for Racial Justice has called an emergency meeting tonight to discuss an apparent assault Tuesday night on a Black man by Santa Monica PD. The meeting will be held at The Church in Ocean Park, 235 Hill Street, Santa Monica at 7:00 pm. As this is a community problem, the Committee hopes for a large community response.a wide-ranging discussion and the development of a positive and just course of action. Here is the NAACP’s account of the incident: Darrell Goode, in his capacity as SM-Venice NAACP President, has asked me to let you know about SMPD activity that took place at an electric car charging dock in Virginia Ave Park in Santa Monica on Tuesday night, April 22 that is the subject of community concern. The electrical charge docks are open until 11pm. A 36 year-old Black male who was charging his electric vehicle at 10:45pm was approached by several police officers, who asked for his ID. He asked “why?” Subsequently, he was pushed to the ground, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed and taken into custody. The individual was charged with not following a police order. He was jailed and released the next day. He requi- red eye treatment due to the pepper spray. He has a court date May 25. A video of some of the interaction was taken by a female passerby, unacquainted with any of the parties. [video https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bwdp1kXhDPb3cmFkM01ObmpteUpnZGIzV1d0V0MzeUNoNGlF ] The video shows apparently egregious behavior by the police. The woman who took the video came forward because she believes the police behavior was excessive. The information on the video is incomplete. It does not show all angles, and it does not show the entire interaction from start to finish. On April 23, at First AME Church in Santa Monica, Darrell Goode interviewed the man, the passerby/ witness who videotaped part of the interaction and several other people. Based on information we have, there was no warrant for the man’s arrest and neither he, his car, nor license number fit any description based on any recent criminal activity. Darrell Goode has informed SMPD Chief Seabrooks, via SMPD Command Staff, of his efforts to assemble information and his intention to publicize it. Based on what is known so far, he may call a community meeting. Meantime, Chief Seabrooks has promised a full internal investigation and the man intends to file complaints against one or more of the officers involved. The man has the right to take his case against the officers to the City Personnel Board. Therefore, in addition to filing a complaint with the SMPD, the man intends to ask for an independent review by the Board. We are united in our unwavering commitment to non-violent advocacy for fairness, transparency and justice for all. . [© santamonicadispatch.com] ... http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/contact/ Editor: Peggy Clifford – PegClf @aol.com ... https://sites.google.com/site/churchinoceanpark/ The Church in Ocean Park 310-399-1631 i...@churchop.org https://www.fac ebook.com/churchop https://twitter.com/church_op ... http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/5002 Virginia Avenue Park PlugScore 4.4 Ports EV Plug (J1772) Custom Ports Avcon conductive Address 2200 Virginia Ave Santa Monica, CA 90404 Hours NOT 24/7: Chargers are shutdown after 10:30pm Description 2 level 2
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
Wow, Not wishing to compare policing between the UK and the US but we have less coppers on a drugs raid! So many officers and cars for one guy! Odd as well that you cannot charge after 11pm. What's that all about? On Mon, 27/4/15, Lawrence Winiarski via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + To: Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com, ev@lists.evdl.org ev@lists.evdl.org, Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Date: Monday, 27 April, 2015, 5:51 Then, even if making a mistake, why all the aggressive action? Thanks, Bruce, for bringing this to attention (though I suspect this will be all over the headlines). Peri It apparently happened last Tuesday.I wouldn't hold your breath. Unfortunately this sort of stuff happens every day and never gets reported Sure looks like an innocent guy being abused. Be nice to figure out a way to help a fellow EV'er ..perhaps more press Looked up the police reporthe's being charged with typical trumped up police bull ...certainly nothing that would indicate a crime. Police reports here...only one with first name Justin http://www.santamonicapd.org/PoliceDailyReports/arr20150423.pdf PALMER, JUSTIN County: Los Angeles For: 148(A)(1) Resist/Obstruct/Delay Peace Officer Justin Palmer Arrest Details | Local Crime News | | | | | | | | | | | Justin Palmer Arrest Details | Local Crime News The following Official Record for JUSTIN PALMER is being redistributed by LCN and is protected by constitutional, publishing, and other legal rights. | | | | View on www.localcrimenews... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | -- Original Message -- From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Apr-15 5:35:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + % Always show your ID EV-ignorant profiling-police will assault charging EVrs % http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/2015/04/committee-for-racial-justice-calls-emergency-meeting-tonight/ COMMITTEE FOR RACIAL JUSTICE CALLS EMERGENCY MEETING TONIGHT April 26, 2015 by Peggy Clifford The Committee for Racial Justice has called an emergency meeting tonight to discuss an apparent assault Tuesday night on a Black man by Santa Monica PD. The meeting will be held at The Church in Ocean Park, 235 Hill Street, Santa Monica at 7:00 pm. As this is a community problem, the Committee hopes for a large community response.a wide-ranging discussion and the development of a positive and just course of action. Here is the NAACP’s account of the incident: Darrell Goode, in his capacity as SM-Venice NAACP President, has asked me to let you know about SMPD activity that took place at an electric car charging dock in Virginia Ave Park in Santa Monica on Tuesday night, April 22 that is the subject of community concern. The electrical charge docks are open until 11pm. A 36 year-old Black male who was charging his electric vehicle at 10:45pm was approached by several police officers, who asked for his ID. He asked “why?” Subsequently, he was pushed to the ground, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed and taken into custody. The individual was charged with not following a police order. He was jailed and released the next day. He requi- red eye treatment due to the pepper spray. He has a court date May 25. A video of some of the interaction was taken by a female passerby, unacquainted with any of the parties. [video https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bwdp1kXhDPb3cmFkM01ObmpteUpnZGIzV1d0V0MzeUNoNGlF ] The video shows apparently egregious behavior by the police. The woman who took the video came forward because she believes the police behavior was excessive. The information on the video is incomplete. It does not show all angles, and it does not show the entire interaction from start to finish. On April 23, at First AME Church in Santa Monica, Darrell Goode interviewed the man, the passerby/ witness who videotaped part of the interaction and several other people. Based on information we have, there was no warrant for the man’s arrest and neither he, his car, nor license number fit any description based on any recent criminal activity. Darrell Goode has informed SMPD Chief Seabrooks, via SMPD Command Staff, of his efforts to assemble information and his intention to publicize it. Based on what is known so far, he may call a community meeting. Meantime, Chief Seabrooks has promised a full internal investigation and the man intends to file complaints against one or more of the officers involved. The man has the right to take his case against the officers to the City Personnel Board
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
Sorry, but I am at a loss to understand why we are even discussing this. Who knows what *really* happened. Why didn't the driver just show the police his ID? He has complained about the incident and I gather he has been charged and will attend court in due course and give his side of the story. Hopefully some enlightened magistrates/judge/fellow peers will decide what happens next and that *should* be that... or are we saying that because this driver is *allegedly* 'black' he should be dealt with differently by police who it appears were obviously investigating an allegation of some sort? MW On 27 Apr 2015, at 03:30, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly poor judgment by police officers. It seems to me, especially with all the recent awareness, that police chiefs would be on heightened alert for retraining their officers to abstain from racial profiling. Then, even if making a mistake, why all the aggressive action? Thanks, Bruce, for bringing this to attention (though I suspect this will be all over the headlines). Peri -- Original Message -- From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Apr-15 5:35:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed + % Always show your ID EV-ignorant profiling-police will assault charging EVrs % http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/2015/04/committee-for-racial-justice-calls-emergency-meeting-tonight/ COMMITTEE FOR RACIAL JUSTICE CALLS EMERGENCY MEETING TONIGHT April 26, 2015 by Peggy Clifford The Committee for Racial Justice has called an emergency meeting tonight to discuss an apparent assault Tuesday night on a Black man by Santa Monica PD. The meeting will be held at The Church in Ocean Park, 235 Hill Street, Santa Monica at 7:00 pm. As this is a community problem, the Committee hopes for a large community response.a wide-ranging discussion and the development of a positive and just course of action. Here is the NAACP’s account of the incident: Darrell Goode, in his capacity as SM-Venice NAACP President, has asked me to let you know about SMPD activity that took place at an electric car charging dock in Virginia Ave Park in Santa Monica on Tuesday night, April 22 that is the subject of community concern. The electrical charge docks are open until 11pm. A 36 year-old Black male who was charging his electric vehicle at 10:45pm was approached by several police officers, who asked for his ID. He asked “why?” Subsequently, he was pushed to the ground, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed and taken into custody. The individual was charged with not following a police order. He was jailed and released the next day. He requi- red eye treatment due to the pepper spray. He has a court date May 25. A video of some of the interaction was taken by a female passerby, unacquainted with any of the parties. [video https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bwdp1kXhDPb3cmFkM01ObmpteUpnZGIzV1d0V0MzeUNoNGlF ] The video shows apparently egregious behavior by the police. The woman who took the video came forward because she believes the police behavior was excessive. The information on the video is incomplete. It does not show all angles, and it does not show the entire interaction from start to finish. On April 23, at First AME Church in Santa Monica, Darrell Goode interviewed the man, the passerby/ witness who videotaped part of the interaction and several other people. Based on information we have, there was no warrant for the man’s arrest and neither he, his car, nor license number fit any description based on any recent criminal activity. Darrell Goode has informed SMPD Chief Seabrooks, via SMPD Command Staff, of his efforts to assemble information and his intention to publicize it. Based on what is known so far, he may call a community meeting. Meantime, Chief Seabrooks has promised a full internal investigation and the man intends to file complaints against one or more of the officers involved. The man has the right to take his case against the officers to the City Personnel Board. Therefore, in addition to filing a complaint with the SMPD, the man intends to ask for an independent review by the Board. We are united in our unwavering commitment to non-violent advocacy for fairness, transparency and justice for all. . [© santamonicadispatch.com] ... http://www.santamonicadispatch.com/contact/ Editor: Peggy Clifford – PegClf @aol.com ... https://sites.google.com/site/churchinoceanpark/ The Church in Ocean Park 310-399-1631 i...@churchop.org https://www.fac ebook.com/churchop https://twitter.com/church_op ... http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/5002 Virginia Avenue Park PlugScore 4.4 Ports EV Plug (J1772) Custom Ports Avcon conductive Address 2200 Virginia Ave Santa Monica, CA 90404 Hours NOT 24/7: Chargers
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
One must understand police culture. They are looking for clean prosecutable offences. Black man in electric car charging area...something must be wrong. Ask for ID..uncooperativebingo he must be a criminal. Easy bust a bingo for the cops. This is how black men are treated by the cops. He gets an asswhoopin. Not the end. He will now get a big pay day and these cops will lose their pensions. The end. Lawrence Rhodes... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150427/c6d7cc06/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +
On Apr 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Either something huge is missing from the story or we're seeing incredibly poor judgment by police officers. Alas, I fear the only thing missing is a realization that this sort of shit goes on all the time, and it's only quite rare that there's somebody with a camera there to film it. The only poor judgement the officers are going to consider themselves guilty of is not noticing the bystander with the camera. Driving While Black is outrageous enough...apparently Charging While Black needs to be added to the list. I have some small hope that the increasing ubiquity of smartphones will help keep the cops better in line...but cops are also well known for intimidating bystanders into destroying evidence that incriminates corrupt cops, if necessary by arresting the bystanders for failing to comply with a police order and then accidentally destroying the evidence themselves. There're lots of good cops on the beat, to be sure...but the system as an whole stinks to high heaven. Regardless...a sad lesson for EV drivers with a built-in suntan. You're at as much danger from the cops when you're charging as you are when you're driving; plan your charging accordingly, be aware, and protect yourself. Maybe even invest in a dsahcam of your own, and a particularly inconspicuous one at that b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150426/003de898/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
