Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Peri Hartman via EV]

My opinions:

To stay relevant, the EV album needs to morph. I believe the audience is 
changing. In the past, people have contributed and searched who were 
primarily looking for a way to have an EV when nothing that suits them 
was available commercially. That is still partially true.


In the future, I foresee a bigger segment of people converting antique 
"old metal" into EVs. As battery technology improves, this will be more 
and more practical with more flexibility on where to locate the battery, 
or even how to retofit an old Tesla battery into something. I envision 
people wanting to convert some of the land yachts from the 60's to BEV, 
or even some of the older classics. I know this is already a part of the 
album, but I think it will become the main part.


Perhaps not much needs to be done to make this happen. The biggest part 
is to make the album more prominant in search results so that people 
find it. This new wave of people probably won't search for "converting 
car to EV" but more likely "restore classic car with electric motor".


At this point, I don't want to argue about whether pusher trailers, etc. 
should be included. I think it's more important to make sure the 
resource is relevant and functioning.


As a temporary fix to the feedback, would it be easy to add messaging in 
the right places to encourage people to provide feedback via EVDL ?


Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website


While I can see how it might be appealing to try and purify the EV Album to 
only display BEV's, those calling for that action should consider the epic 
amount of work you would be tossing at Mike Chancey. Every one of the 5400+ 
registered vehicles would need to be reviewed, and a value judgement passed on 
each. Some might be simple, others not so much.

For instance, if you intend on excluding production EV's. Mike's own 2013 Leaf 
would get the boot, ( http://www.evalbum.com/5091 ) as well as his Razor 
electric scooter ( http://www.evalbum.com/1013 ).

But wait! If only BEV's are allowed, Mike's Honda Pusher trailer needs to get 
the axe, also ( http://www.evalbum.com/753 ).

Mike's an understanding guy, he'll get over having to delete his own entries, 
right? What about other users who have both production EV's and conversions? 
Are they going to be as charitable?

What is being suggested is taking away from the album, rather than adding to it. In the 
long picture, will this help or hurt the overall health and popularity of the album? 
Unless there is an issue with server space, hosting costs, overall maintenance, etc, my 
preference would be to perhaps allow those who have already registered 
(production/hybrid) vehicles to maintain those album entries, while limiting the addition 
of new ones that don't particularly meet the "new criteria". This might mean 
that new entries have to pass a review/authorization process (again, lots of work).

I fully agree that Mike should be offered some assistance with the site no 
matter how it moves forward in the future. I would perhaps be interested in 
helping figure out how/why the feedback form isn't working. I do have some PHP 
and database experience.

In the interest of full disclosure, I wouldn't be affected by the proposed 
changes to the album:

http://www.evalbum.com/79
http://www.evalbum.com/91
http://www.evalbum.com/253

(much, that is)

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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

While I can see how it might be appealing to try and purify the EV 
Album to only display BEV's, those calling for that action should 
consider the epic amount of work you would be tossing at Mike 
Chancey. Every one of the 5400+ registered vehicles would need to be 
reviewed, and a value judgement passed on each. Some might be simple, 
others not so much.


For instance, if you intend on excluding production EV's. Mike's own 
2013 Leaf would get the boot, ( http://www.evalbum.com/5091 ) as well 
as his Razor electric scooter ( http://www.evalbum.com/1013 ).


But wait! If only BEV's are allowed, Mike's Honda Pusher trailer 
needs to get the axe, also ( http://www.evalbum.com/753 ).


Mike's an understanding guy, he'll get over having to delete his own 
entries, right? What about other users who have both production EV's 
and conversions? Are they going to be as charitable?


What is being suggested is taking away from the album, rather than 
adding to it. In the long picture, will this help or hurt the overall 
health and popularity of the album? Unless there is an issue with 
server space, hosting costs, overall maintenance, etc, my preference 
would be to perhaps allow those who have already registered 
(production/hybrid) vehicles to maintain those album entries, while 
limiting the addition of new ones that don't particularly meet the 
"new criteria". This might mean that new entries have to pass a 
review/authorization process (again, lots of work).


I fully agree that Mike should be offered some assistance with the 
site no matter how it moves forward in the future. I would perhaps be 
interested in helping figure out how/why the feedback form isn't 
working. I do have some PHP and database experience.


In the interest of full disclosure, I wouldn't be affected by the 
proposed changes to the album:


http://www.evalbum.com/79
http://www.evalbum.com/91
http://www.evalbum.com/253

(much, that is)

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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Gary Krysztopik via EV]

We reference it almost daily on the DIY EV facebook group.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 6:17 AM Mike C via EV  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years
> ago the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried
> to get it going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired
> and should have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world
> of mass produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should
> only conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the
> whole thing just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years
> and that is an eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid
> purpose?
>
> Mike Chancey
> Webmaster
> EV Photo Album
> http://evalbum.com/106
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Cor van de Water via EV]

As one who has several vehicles on there and some that are not yet, I would
definitely welcome the EV Album's ability to continue display everything
going on in non-factory standard land.
For example, I installed two complete Leaf packs into my US Electricar
truck, so it has been going strong since about 17,500 mi as daily driver
and work horse, even towing a dolly with my Leaf...
Another project is converting a 2002 RAV4 EV from NiMH to Lithium after it
did 225k mi.
Plenty material in need of a good home...
EV Album sounds ideal for that!
Cor.

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wrote:

> On Sun Sep 29 06:11:13 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >The real question is in a world of mass produced electric cars, how
> valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only conversions be included or only
> old production EVs, or should the whole thing just go away?  The Album has
> been up something like 20 years and that is an eternity on the internet.
>  Does it still have a valid purpose?
>
> Definitely useful.  I talk to a LOT of people at car shows (I show my EV
> F250 a lot) who are considering converting some vehicle they really like.
> I always suggest they search the EV Album to see if/how other people have
> converted that vehicle.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Ty Delaney via EV]

The EV Album is an amazing resource. Conversions are definitely still a thing. 
I hope it will always be there.
Thanks for taking care of it all these years!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Willie via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/19 8:11 AM, Mike C via EV wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
>> the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get 
>> it going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and 
>> should have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of 
>> mass produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
>> conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole 
>> thing just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that 
>> is an eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?
> 
> MANY "late adopters", mostly new Tesla owners, are completely unaware of what 
> came before.  I frequently use EVAlbum to try to educate/remind. Of special 
> value is JB Straubel's entry.  I STILL try to encourage new EVers to view and 
> contemplate WKTEC.
> 
> I would greatly mourn the passing of EVAlbum.
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Bobby Keeland via EV]

I agree. Keep the EValbum up. I'm still considering a conversion of my 1951
pickup even though we now have a Tesla M3.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:58 PM Mark Abramowitz via EV 
wrote:

> Let me add to my original comment that if you think that this list has a
> valid purpose (which I do) then the EV Album website does, too. They are
> linked in usefulness and purpose.
>
> - Mark
>
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:31 AM, Mark Abramowitz 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think that it’s an important and valuable resource. It would be a
> shame for it to go away.
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Mike C via EV  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two
> years ago the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I
> tried to get it going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now
> retired and should have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in
> a world of mass produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?
> Should only conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should
> the whole thing just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20
> years and that is an eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid
> purpose?
> >>
> >> Mike Chancey
> >> Webmaster
> >> EV Photo Album
> >> http://evalbum.com/106
> >>
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Let me add to my original comment that if you think that this list has a valid 
purpose (which I do) then the EV Album website does, too. They are linked in 
usefulness and purpose.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:31 AM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
> I think that it’s an important and valuable resource. It would be a shame for 
> it to go away.
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Mike C via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
>> the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get 
>> it going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and 
>> should have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of 
>> mass produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
>> conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole 
>> thing just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that 
>> is an eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?
>> 
>> Mike Chancey
>> Webmaster
>> EV Photo Album
>> http://evalbum.com/106
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

I think that it’s an important and valuable resource. It would be a shame for 
it to go away.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Mike C via EV  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
> the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get 
> it going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and 
> should have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of 
> mass produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
> conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole thing 
> just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that is an 
> eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?
> 
> Mike Chancey
> Webmaster
> EV Photo Album
> http://evalbum.com/106
> 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Russ via EV]

My Elise (1454) has been on the site since about 2008 and used to be the first 
link if Googled so I am very pleased it is there. My car description is 
probably not as up to date as it should be but it was an easy way to post to 
the Web. It certainly has a reason to be there so please keep up the good work 
Mike. RussSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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29/09/2019  2:11 pm  (GMT+00:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Mike C 
 Subject: [EVDL] EV Album Website Hi folks,I am sorry I 
haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago the feedback 
system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get it going again 
at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and should have more time 
to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of mass produced electric 
cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only conversions be included 
or only old production EVs, or should the whole thing just go away?  The Album 
has been up something like 20 years and that is an eternity on the internet.   
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[EVDL] EV Album Website

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sun Sep 29 06:11:13 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>The real question is in a world of mass produced electric cars, how valuable 
>is the Album anymore?  Should only conversions be included or only old 
>production EVs, or should the whole thing just go away?  The Album has been up 
>something like 20 years and that is an eternity on the internet.   Does it 
>still have a valid purpose?

Definitely useful.  I talk to a LOT of people at car shows (I show my EV F250 a 
lot) who are considering converting some vehicle they really like.  I always 
suggest they search the EV Album to see if/how other people have converted that 
vehicle.


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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Pestka Dennis via EV]

Mike;

I think it's a valuable resource. There are still some people doing conversions 
and it's a great starting point. I've sent people to the site numerous times.

Thanks;
Dennis

From: EV  on behalf of Mike C via EV 

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:11 AM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
Cc: Mike C 
Subject: [EVDL] EV Album Website

Hi folks,

I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get it 
going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and should 
have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of mass 
produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole thing 
just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that is an 
eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?

Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV Photo Album
http://evalbum.com/106

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Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Willie via EV]

On 9/29/19 8:11 AM, Mike C via EV wrote:

Hi folks,

I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get it 
going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and should 
have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of mass 
produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole thing 
just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that is an 
eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?


MANY "late adopters", mostly new Tesla owners, are completely unaware of 
what came before.  I frequently use EVAlbum to try to educate/remind. 
Of special value is JB Straubel's entry.  I STILL try to encourage new 
EVers to view and contemplate WKTEC.


I would greatly mourn the passing of EVAlbum.
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[EVDL] EV Album Website

[Mike C via EV]

Hi folks,

I am sorry I haven’t posted anything about this before.  About two years ago 
the feedback system on the EV Album website stopped working.  I tried to get it 
going again at the time but made no headway.  I have now retired and should 
have more time to devote to it.  The real question is in a world of mass 
produced electric cars, how valuable is the Album anymore?  Should only 
conversions be included or only old production EVs, or should the whole thing 
just go away?  The Album has been up something like 20 years and that is an 
eternity on the internet.   Does it still have a valid purpose?

Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV Photo Album
http://evalbum.com/106

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