Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
OK, Im an outlier... and wrong about this ... Generally, I shot from the hip with my original email. There was a lot of my historical perspective in my DIY EV project cars where 40 miles would be good enuf. But actually, as used/salvage EV's are now approaching the $10k class, and most have

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
I've had my imiev only a couple of months, but I'm very pleased with it. Other than the 60 miles of range. Cost new was about $26k, including tax, title, and license. The state incentive is $2.5k and the income tax credit is $7.5k. So, I expect the total cost to be about $16k. The Ford

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 03/10/2015 09:11 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: And the other error in my thinking is that MFR's simply are not going to make a NO-FRILLS 40 mile EV this early in the game when even a zero mile EV will still be priced at more than $15k w/o battery just for expected amenities and since I

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 10, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: And the other error in my thinking is that MFR's simply are not going to make a NO-FRILLS 40 mile EV this early in the game Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true no-frills EV from major

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Chris Meier via EV
How are the FFE battery packs holding up? On March 10, 2015 11:44:01 AM CDT, Bill Woodcock via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I've had my imiev only a couple of months, but I'm very pleased with it. Other than the 60 miles of range. Cost new was about $26k, including tax, title, and license.

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me... not)

2015-03-10 Thread Jamie K via EV
On 3/10/15 9:02 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true no-frills EV from major manufacturers -- your archetypal base-model $15k econobox -- they'll come with at least 100 mile ranges, and the We're under that 15k price now, for new EVs.

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
My answer: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding $10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I need). And my daily commute is 30 mi total. 40 miles for me. Unwilling to pay

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My answer: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding $10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Dube via EV
You will need the few miles of extra range when: 1) The car gets a number of years old, and the pack ages a bit. 2) Winter, bad weather, etc. 3) Construction/accident detour. 4) Unnoticed low pressure in tire. etc, etc, etc It is nice to have a little extra cushion in the total

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm waiting for a 40 mile BEV. The Prius 12mi is too short and both it and the VOLT haul along an entirely not needed ICE (adding $10k to the price) (I have 2 other salvage Prius for all the distance I need). And

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
That's when I might plug in to a 120v outlet at work and double my range. bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:02 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future

Re: [EVDL] EV range needs, future best options (40 for me)

2015-03-09 Thread Jamie K via EV
Could any of the current shorter range BEV options work for you, Bob? The Mitsubishi iMiev or Smart ED are shorter range, lower priced BEV options (no superfluous ICE). Either may be worth considering for more affordable 30 mile commuter use, if available in your area. Or perhaps a used