Factual piece on hydrogen cost and fuel cells cars in Scientific American:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lack-of-cheap-clean-hydrogen-slows-fuel-cell-cars/
Bill D.
On 6/5/2020 7:39 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Me, neither. I'm just trying to figure out how they came up with their
incredulous claim !
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From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
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Sent: 04-Jun-20 11:02:12 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science
& CO2 lies
I prefer not to source *either* from natural gas.
- Mark
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On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:56 AM, Peri Hartman via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
I wonder how fuels cells would compare to EVs if you compared
sourcing hydrogen from natural gas to generating electricity from
natural gas. That is, show the loss scenarios like this:
natural gas well > refine to hydrogen > compress & transport > fuel
cell > EV drive train
natural gas well > generate electricity > transmission > battery
charge & discharge > EV drive train
It might be that scenario that the Canadian consortium was
imagining. Still, it seems unlikely that the fuel cell scenario
would be more efficient, but it would be closer.
Peri
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From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
Sent: 04-Jun-20 9:34:47 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by
science & CO2 lies
That’s a great point.
Not taking away from the point:
- I’m not sure that your numbers are not old.
- Given the demand for non-household EVSE, people are charging
using the grid mix no matter what they use at home.
- as the mix of renewables to fossils on the grid change, most
will be charging when fossil resources are used in greater
percentages. This will change both diurnally and seasonally.
- As BEVs become more popular, I think that percentage of those
buying energy cleaner than the grid will drop to levels closer to
the grid mix.
Again, your point is good, but the overall numbers I don’t think
are as high as you think. But I have no data on this.
- Mark
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