Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-05 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 5 Aug 2014 at 5:54, Chris Meier via EV wrote: The indoor units come in various shapes/styles, including 'cassette' for in_ceiling or air duct. Some of the dealers may appreciate the challenge. Give one a call. I hope your dealers are more experienced and flexible than the ones I worked

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-04 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Of Martin WINLOW via EV Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 8:42 AM To: Denis Berube; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? How the Dickens does it work without ducks? MW On 3 Aug 2014, at 15:45, Denis Berube via EV wrote: Have you looked at the split duckless ac

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: Since you live in AZ, why not an evaporative swamp cooler? They work pretty well in low humidity environments. Sadly, about half the hot season is humid enough for evaporative coolers to be ineffective. Some people have both

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks, Dennis. Your description of a cooling system -- cold plates and a radiator -- seems like a good starting point. I might have to contemplate adding some sort of an active chiller rather than just rely on a radiator -- again, ambient is often well over 100°F, and can easily get over 120°F

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-03 Thread Roland via EV
To: ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ; ev-requ...@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ... are there heat pump

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-03 Thread Roland via EV
; Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? This is an interesting point you stated, One ton of A/C is equal to 12,000 btus/hr. and 3420 btus/hr equals 1000 watts. However, it applies

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-03 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
One ton of A/C is equal to 12,000 btus/hr. and 3420 btus/hr equals 1000 watts. However, it applies to direct conversion such as resistance heating, and not to the compressor operated...Heat Pump, ...my home heat pump shows an EER of 13, indicating the BTUs moved...only require 1/13 of

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
On the other hand a friend in St Petersburg, FL. uses a 7,500 BTU ac in his S-10 Pickup (About a 400 watt load) and runs it from a 1,000 Watt 110v. inverter... Your 25000 to 3 btu/hr are two to two and a half tons (Same as HP or similar to Kw. ) and that is as much a a small house. I used a

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks for the help with that math. I've thought about adding insulation for both thermal efficiency and road noise reduction, and I'll be getting a windshield reflector thingie today. I was at my shade-tree mechanic's yesterday, and he, too, was skeptical of using either electric system for

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I think the solar gain has less to do with the glass than the small cabin size. While involved with designing climate controlled cabins (at Caterpillar) I learned that that any glass you have - whatever tint level - re-radiates the absorbed energy into the cabin. The main effect of tint is to

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Hi Ben and All,    Both classicautoair and vintageair  make period some even stock A/C units for yours. These are the same car dealers installed on new cars like yours then.    Just belt it to the EV motor with the clutch to the brakelight switch though a

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
(for the heat coming through non glass areas). Peri -- Original Message -- From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 02-Aug-14 7:41:47 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? I think

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 08/02/2014 09:51 AM, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: Hi Ben and All, Both classicautoair and vintageair make period some even stock A/C units for yours. These are the same car dealers installed on new cars like yours then. Just belt it to the EV motor with

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Aug 2014 at 11:52, Willie2 via EV wrote: I'm eager to hear of conversion air conditioner success stories. Solectria vehicles retained the factory Geo Metro aircon system, and drove the compressor with a small (1hp?) DC brushless motor and controller. The system seems to have been

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Marion Hakanson via EV
How about getting the air-conditioner from a wrecked Leaf? On our (non-wrecked) 2012 Leaf, the A/C uses hardly any juice as compared to its hot-water electric resistance heating system, which will use either 1500 or 3000 watts, depending on how much you ask it to do. I think the A/C probably

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 2, 2014, at 7:51 AM, jerry freedomev via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Both classicautoair and vintageair make period some even stock A/C units for yours. Thanks, Jerry, for those references. They're going on the short list of options, especially in light of subsequent posts. On Aug

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:47 PM To: jerry freedomev; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? On Aug 2, 2014, at 7:51 AM, jerry freedomev via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Both classicautoair and vintageair make period some even

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: I've thought about adding insulation for both thermal efficiency and road noise reduction Insulation helps in both of these respects. Cars are *woefully* badly insulated. Insulation has a major effect on how much energy you'll need to heat or cool it. You can run

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anybody mentioned the Echo Drive (by Echo Automotive) yet? It sounds like it is a VERY close fit to what the original poster was looking for. Basically the Echo Drive is a motor that bolts onto the end of the transmission and connects to (a

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org ... are there heat pump systems rather than compressor units that might be more energy efficient? The compressor-based system in almost all consumer things that reduce temperature *is* a heat pump. The only one that I know of that is different is

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org ... I'm now leaning towards insulated battery boxes with Peltier coolers. Peltier devices are notoriously inefficient. What about situating your batteries such that air flow from your vehicle travel cools your batteries, possibly aided by ductwork?

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-01 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 31-Jul-14 1:46:53 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? Ben Goren via EV wrote: Thanks, Jerry. A 200+ mile BEV Ghia certainly sounds like a fantastic car... The Ghia happened to have several attractive

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 31, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I believe John Wayland converted one for someone. He's a genius at building beautiful high-performance conversions -- have you contacted him for details? Didn't occur to me to actually try to contact one of the EV gods. But

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
Ben,  A Ghia  EV using lithium batteries and some aero, drag reduction  can go 240 miles or so on a Leaf battery pack. Pervious ones done this way used about 100wthrs/mile on lead batteries. Or one of the many kitcars, at least the more aero ones. Dead ICE ones can be had cheap and easily

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread Bill Dennis via EV
] On Behalf Of jerry freedomev via EV Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:03 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? Ben,  A Ghia  EV using lithium batteries and some aero, drag reduction  can go 240 miles or so on a Leaf battery pack. Pervious ones done this way

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks, Jerry. A 200+ mile BEV Ghia certainly sounds like a fantastic car...and, had fate played out differently, that would have been the route I'd have gone. But I went ahead and bought the Mustang the day before yesterday. Turns out it's not merely a 1964 1/2 Mustang, but that it came off

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: Thanks, Jerry. A 200+ mile BEV Ghia certainly sounds like a fantastic car... The Ghia happened to have several attractive attributes for an EV. It was very light, it was reasonable aerodynamics, and enough room for batteries. John Bryan's Ghia was one example. He

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread George Tyler via EV
...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 8:47 a.m. To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? Ben Goren via EV wrote: Thanks, Jerry. A 200+ mile BEV Ghia certainly sounds like a fantastic car... The Ghia happened to have several

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Ben Apollonio e...@bapollo.com wrote: For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little benefit; better to just disengage the motor altogether. I've been leaning towards AC since

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-28 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
Ben, I hate to say it but two year old Volts are available for $14k to your project has been Trumped with the economy of used cars and you cannot beat the price with a home built hybrid ... Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder:**EV Tech.

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Mechanically, that's an awesome idea -- perfect, even. But...thinking it through a bit further, there's a pretty substantial geometric problem: the V8 and the differential are in line with each other and can't be re-positioned...and the side of the transfer case with the low gearing is in that

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
more cells and get 200 miles range. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Jul-14 6:58:27 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC? Mechanically

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Just one more time, Ben. Do you really need to keep the ICE? Especially with an old car like that - no computer, nothing electronic what so ever, think how easy and simple your configuration would be if electric

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-25 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
The best scheme I have heard was mentioned a week ago. Use a 4X4 transfer case it has two outputs and one input. Connect it up as follows. V8 and its transmission to the Front axle drive shaft connection. The electric motor(s) to the connection usually used by the transmission for the V8. Use the

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Apollonio via EV
For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little benefit; better to just disengage the motor altogether. I get decent performance out of my Porsche 914 with a single 9 DC motor in 3rd gear (although it tops out

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I know the question of AC and DC motors is a controversial one, and probably done to death. But if all y'all might humor me, I'd appreciate a bit of guidance on this. To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2 Mustang in good shape for not much money. The goal is to get something not unlike