Re: [EVDL] VW's 'dieselgate' puts spotlight on electric cars in Germany

[dovepa via EV]

It's hard for government to target the demise of an industry like oil. Are 
officials are elected and no one would back such a plan or very few. Everyone 
has someone in their family or that they know earning a living from oil.


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From: Ben Goren via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 10/23/2015  9:16 PM  
(GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: 
[EVDL] VW's 'dieselgate' puts spotlight on electric cars in Germany 
Depressing to consider that, even in Germany with all its solar and wind power 
and now the VW diesel mess...even *that* isn't enough to launch EVs into the 
mainstream.

http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html

"The government's goal 'is quite simply not achievable,' said Stefan Bratzel, 
director of the Center of Automotive Research in Bergisch Gladbach.

"There was 'a lot of euphoria, but no vision for a feasible economic model' for 
the electric car in Germany, he complained."

Sorry, but that's just bullshit. The Nissan Leaf makes plain that low-cost 
high-quality EVs are possible. Teslas prove that EVs are the future for 
no-holds-barred luxury sedans. And PIHs like the Volt and Germany's own BMW i3 
demonstrate that an "80/20" solution is practical for all the edge cases people 
like to latch onto.

It's not rocket surgery.

Slap a 50% tax surcharge on all passenger diesel fuel in light of the scandal 
and distribute the money equally to every registered owner of an EV in monthly 
payments. Problem solved.

...of course, that would harm the quarterly profit projections of the people 
who buy the politicians, so it ain't gonna happen...but we need to stop 
pretending that the problems are technological and realize that they are 100% 
political at this point.

The technology is solved. Yes, it's going to get better, and significantly so 
-- but we're already at "good enough," by any reasonable measure.

b&
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Re: [EVDL] VW's 'dieselgate' puts spotlight on electric cars in Germany

[Michael Ross via EV]

A little later Bratzel says why, that "battery economy, infrastructure, and
price," are not achievable - in four years (2020) a million cars.

He didn't say it was a bad idea, just that it couldn't be met.

Presently, there aren't enough batteries (not sure what was meant by
battery autonomy exactly) or means to make them, there isn't enough clean
power in their grid to support it, and by some estimate, apparently, not
enough free cash to buy them.

I think this is fair assessment.  Germany has been talking about this since
2012 at least (see the links below the article) when they may have had
chance,  but 1M vehicles by 2020 is probably out of reach.

At least 2 more gigafactories would be needed, not yet begun.  There is
insufficient raw materials, and production capability.  The grid can't
handle it, though other means are possible - not in 4 years.

That is just a rough cut, but I see his point.

On Oct 23, 2015 10:16 PM, "Ben Goren via EV"  wrote:
>
> Depressing to consider that, even in Germany with all its solar and wind
power and now the VW diesel mess...even *that* isn't enough to launch EVs
into the mainstream.
>
> http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html
>
> "The government's goal 'is quite simply not achievable,' said Stefan
Bratzel, director of the Center of Automotive Research in Bergisch Gladbach.
>
> "There was 'a lot of euphoria, but no vision for a feasible economic
model' for the electric car in Germany, he complained."
>
> Sorry, but that's just bullshit. The Nissan Leaf makes plain that
low-cost high-quality EVs are possible. Teslas prove that EVs are the
future for no-holds-barred luxury sedans. And PIHs like the Volt and
Germany's own BMW i3 demonstrate that an "80/20" solution is practical for
all the edge cases people like to latch onto.
>
> It's not rocket surgery.
>
> Slap a 50% tax surcharge on all passenger diesel fuel in light of the
scandal and distribute the money equally to every registered owner of an EV
in monthly payments. Problem solved.
>
> ...of course, that would harm the quarterly profit projections of the
people who buy the politicians, so it ain't gonna happen...but we need to
stop pretending that the problems are technological and realize that they
are 100% political at this point.
>
> The technology is solved. Yes, it's going to get better, and
significantly so -- but we're already at "good enough," by any reasonable
measure.
>
> b&
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[EVDL] VW's 'dieselgate' puts spotlight on electric cars in Germany

[Ben Goren via EV]

Depressing to consider that, even in Germany with all its solar and wind power 
and now the VW diesel mess...even *that* isn't enough to launch EVs into the 
mainstream.

http://phys.org/news/2015-10-vw-dieselgate-spotlight-electric-cars.html

"The government's goal 'is quite simply not achievable,' said Stefan Bratzel, 
director of the Center of Automotive Research in Bergisch Gladbach.

"There was 'a lot of euphoria, but no vision for a feasible economic model' for 
the electric car in Germany, he complained."

Sorry, but that's just bullshit. The Nissan Leaf makes plain that low-cost 
high-quality EVs are possible. Teslas prove that EVs are the future for 
no-holds-barred luxury sedans. And PIHs like the Volt and Germany's own BMW i3 
demonstrate that an "80/20" solution is practical for all the edge cases people 
like to latch onto.

It's not rocket surgery.

Slap a 50% tax surcharge on all passenger diesel fuel in light of the scandal 
and distribute the money equally to every registered owner of an EV in monthly 
payments. Problem solved.

...of course, that would harm the quarterly profit projections of the people 
who buy the politicians, so it ain't gonna happen...but we need to stop 
pretending that the problems are technological and realize that they are 100% 
political at this point.

The technology is solved. Yes, it's going to get better, and significantly so 
-- but we're already at "good enough," by any reasonable measure.

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