Re: [EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

[Peter VanDerWal via EV]

> Underground?   Parking garages?  Trees???  Nearby Skyscrapers?
> 
> I like solar, but...I'm nervous of bureaucrats making arbitrary 
> decisions.   
> 

Yup, bureaucrats have a habit of taking common sense ideas and turning them 
into overly complicated non-sense.

Take the International Plumbing Code grey-water requirements for example.  It 
requires a minimum 50 gallon "storage resevoir", but prohibts storing grey 
water for more than 72 hours.  It also states that kitchen sinks are "black 
water" and can't be used as grey-water.
Anyone interested in grey water has probably already implemented some form of 
water conservation.
My wife and I generate on average 10-15 gallons of qualified grey water per 
daywhen we are both at home.  However, since I'm on the road about 50% of 
the time, we actually generate less than 10 gallons a day on average.  Thi 
smakes it impossible to comply with the IPC requirements.
Fortunately, Arizona has it's own requirements for residential grey water, it's 
a one page flyer that is (generally)easy to comply with

At any rate, While I think the idea of solar panels over parking lots (and 
roads/highways) is a Great Idea, I'm not a fan of mandates.  I think they would 
have been better if they went with education, encouragement and perhaps 
incentives.  For example eliminating sales tax, property tax, and building 
permit fees on solar structures.
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Re: [EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

[paul dove via EV]

 not sure where you live but where I live most of those things aren't an issue. 
I would say at least half of the US parking lots have no trees, no buildings 
around and are one level. Walmart? In the south we drive around for 5 minutes 
looking for the shade spot. Hard to come by...
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:41:01 PM CST, Lawrence Winiarski via 
EV  wrote:  
 
 Underground?   Parking garages?  Trees???  Nearby Skyscrapers?
 
I like solar, but...I'm nervous of bureaucrats making arbitrary decisions.  
 


    On Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 7:27:27 PM PST, paul dove via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve said that’s what we should do for years now! It makes perfect sense


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On Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 7:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV 
 wrote:

France to require all large parking lots to be covered by solar panels
https://grist.org/article/france-to-require-all-large-parking-lots-to-be-covered-by-solar-panels/

All large car parks in France will be covered by solar panels under new 
legislation approved as part of president Emmanuel Macron’s renewable 
energy drive.

...car parks with between 80 and 400 spaces have five years to comply 
with the measures, while operators of those with more than 400 will have 
just three years. At least half of the area of the larger sites must be 
covered by solar panels.

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Peri


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Re: [EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

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On 17 Nov 2022 at 4:40, Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote:

> Underground?   Parking garages?  Trees???  Nearby Skyscrapers?

"The government built in exceptions to the law, however, so there will be 
some that get by without the effort. If a lot has 'technical, safety, 
architectural, heritage, and environmental constraints,' they may qualify 
for an exemption. The law also offers exemptions for lots covered at least 
halfway by trees, lots for which compliance 'cannot be met under 
economically acceptable conditions,' and dedicated truck parking lots."

Lisez cet article :

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/cars/news-blog/new-french-law-requires-
parking-lots-to-be-covered-with-solar-panels-44497457

or https://v.gd/PcS9t5

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Re: [EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Underground?   Parking garages?  Trees???  Nearby Skyscrapers?
 
I like solar, but...I'm nervous of bureaucrats making arbitrary decisions.  
 


On Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 7:27:27 PM PST, paul dove via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve said that’s what we should do for years now! It makes perfect sense


Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 7:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV 
 wrote:

France to require all large parking lots to be covered by solar panels
https://grist.org/article/france-to-require-all-large-parking-lots-to-be-covered-by-solar-panels/

All large car parks in France will be covered by solar panels under new 
legislation approved as part of president Emmanuel Macron’s renewable 
energy drive.

...car parks with between 80 and 400 spaces have five years to comply 
with the measures, while operators of those with more than 400 will have 
just three years. At least half of the area of the larger sites must be 
covered by solar panels.

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Re: [EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

[paul dove via EV]

I’ve said that’s what we should do for years now! It makes perfect sense


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On Wednesday, November 16, 2022, 7:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV 
 wrote:

France to require all large parking lots to be covered by solar panels
https://grist.org/article/france-to-require-all-large-parking-lots-to-be-covered-by-solar-panels/

All large car parks in France will be covered by solar panels under new 
legislation approved as part of president Emmanuel Macron’s renewable 
energy drive.

...car parks with between 80 and 400 spaces have five years to comply 
with the measures, while operators of those with more than 400 will have 
just three years. At least half of the area of the larger sites must be 
covered by solar panels.

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[EVDL] solar panels over parking lots, duh

[Peri Hartman via EV]

France to require all large parking lots to be covered by solar panels
https://grist.org/article/france-to-require-all-large-parking-lots-to-be-covered-by-solar-panels/

All large car parks in France will be covered by solar panels under new 
legislation approved as part of president Emmanuel Macron’s renewable 
energy drive.


...car parks with between 80 and 400 spaces have five years to comply 
with the measures, while operators of those with more than 400 will have 
just three years. At least half of the area of the larger sites must be 
covered by solar panels.


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